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I swear Ellie was gay in the first game. Dunno why people act like TLOU2 made that up

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Yazarogi posted...

Just don't lie about the game itself which is what you've done incessantly,

I haven't lied about a thing. I've pointed out frankly quite basic things that have all been ignored

or rather, you claim it's overrated

I never claimed that

nd underwhelming, which I disagree with. So obviously we won't see eye to eye on this subject, why are you still here?

Because it's a message board and we're having a discussion?

TC asked a question and now people are asking me questions

Do you want to just stand in a room full of people who agree with you and nod?

Half of big TLOU2 fans just have so little experience with media that when introduced to better things they get blown away, why do you wanna take that from them?

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Yazarogi posted...

Shit the way you dumb down everything about this game could be applied for ANY game.

Not really? What a lazy evasion.

Just didn't have the spine to admit I was right.

You're just nitpicky and biased, I win bye bye.

Case and point. You'll see this a lot from people who love TLOU2

When asked basic questions, they just insult everyone, declare they "won" and run away.

Which again, speaks a lot as it comes from the camp claiming they like it for it's "maturity"

It's not biased or nitpicky to ask basic questions about the plot or point out that all the characters are bland solely there to fill a spot in the next trope.

Yazarogi posted...

https://youtu.be/dVQcZa4O01A

182k upvotes to 17k downvotes.

Pretty sure unfair is in the minority with his criticisms.

I never denied that lots of people liked it. Transformers always make bank at the box office.

The criticisms that it's bland and has no interesting characters or passion aren't countered by pointing out the game had mass appeal and sold well. In fact they kinda support it. The user who literally argues that gamers by in large are immature and then brags about how well it sold inadvertantly demonstrated that .

In fact one my very first points in the topic was that very few people hate the game. There isn't enough there to hate, it's so meh so it's either indifference or love if you really like that blandness.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

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Yazarogi posted...

I honestly can't take you seriously with how fake you've made the Mel situation out to be. She isn't killed because "sad face"

Ellie is looking for Abby, they are trying to protect Abby, Ellie takes her eyes of Owen for half a second and he makes his move, she shoots owen then Mel attacks Ellie out of rage, a pretty normal human reaction to watching your loved one get shot. Ellie, despite not wanting to kill Mel because she's pregnant (and made that clear while asking questions) has to defend herself and kill her.

How would you have changed the situation to make it fit into your parameters of what "mature" is?

The point was that Ellie has killed and is killing people left right and center on her crusade.

Going "But this one is a pregnant lady! Isn't that sad? Ellie has a friend who is a pregnant lady too!" isn't maturity. It doesn't sting because the action is an unpleasant one when we have no investment whatsoever in the characters or their frankly bizarre actions. It's just there for the sake of it.

That standoff is a generic storytelling trope. Ellie, Owen and Pregnant lady are all bland generic placeholder characters who exist just to fill places in those tropes.

No one in the plot is there for their own sake. Nothing happens because the world exists. Everything revolves around Ellie and Abby's story and does so by repeating (mostly movie) tropes without rhyme, reason or pacing.

For example: Ellie in that scene is trying to get them to give up the location with that trick she learned from Joel... But she explains how the trick works while doing it... making it pointless... Because the people writing the game didn't think or care about that. They knew the purpose of the scene was just the standoff for sadface points. She could have walked in and just sang the theme of Scooby Doo before killing them and thematically the scene would be no different.

Nothing matters, nothing is built up, none of the people are real characters with quirks or interests or thoughts beyond whatever current trope they are in.

They literally pull the "Captured and placed 4 feet away from your gear as you're left in an easily escapable scenario to be resuced" trope for both characters and I think 3 times for Abby.

A Thought experiment:

Imagine that Jesse and Pregnant Lady played a game of chess. Now imagine that they weren't allowed to talk about the plot of TLOU while playing it.

What would they say?

Grab Bill and Evelyn Miller from RDR2 Or Beatrix and Baku from FF9 and I can think of a ton of stuff.

Because they are fleshed out characters. Not place holders to fill the next trope.

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Romulox28 posted...

weird post, you are making TLOU2 sound like it's Doom 2016 or Mortal Kombat or something

Doom and MK are no less shallow. They're just not pretending to be mature. Which ironically makes them more mature. TLOU2 plays sad music and has edgy bloody moments but in terms of depth or thought or theme or character isn't any more nuanced or thought out. If anything the characters in MK are less bland even if they are as shallow.

I think this is the heart of the differene between people who love TLOU2 and the people who are indifferent to it.

If you think deep emotional storytelling is generic tropes and sad music as sad things happen without rhyme/reason or pacing. Then you'll love it. If you wanted more or have played other games/seen other movies before, then it's just generic passionless blandness.

UP would not be improved or a deeper movie by a scene where Muntz cuts Doug up with a hacksaw and then Carl slits his throat as sad music plays and rains falls. Russell ends up losing an eye when the bird pokes it out because it's a feral bird and Russell was a fool to trust it.

It would be the opposite. It would be stupider and cliched.

Romulox28 posted...

did you skip all the cutscenes/dialogue or something lol

No I heard it all. It was very bland and dull.
Wouldn't matter if you did due to the forced walking sections that are unskippable.

Game would have been better with a lot of less of it and no forced walking sections, it was so padded.

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Yazarogi posted...

Unfair what is your example of a "mature" game, I can't find an example of a game more mature game then TLoU2. Maybe just as mature, but not more then.

... I gave 4 examples in that post.

You don't have to like the game, but don't spread lies about it.

Nothing I said is a lie

Tell me what you think a mature game means? Because if you think it just means shallow blood and death then Mortal Kombat has you.

This might be a communication thing. I don't think maturity is age rating. Blood, swearing, sex, violence, drugs, death aren't mature thematically by default and when used for the sake of tropes or being edgy are immensely immature. Meanwhile plenty of kids games/stories can have mature themes.

I'd argue the movie UP is pretty mature for example. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more so than TLOU2

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lww99 posted...

Bro you did not just compare tlou2 and god of war with fucking FORTNIGHT

Specifically on the grounds of Maturity? Yeah, they're both shallow.

Maturity isn't slitting a pregnant woman's throat because sadface. There's no character, no arcs, no purpose, no themes, no ideas. It's all surface level to push more tropes.

As I mentioned in the top 10 topics, the Black Mages with random numbers in FFIX discovering that they "Stop" and not really understanding or processing what that means and you can talk to them and get different perspective, some almost child-like were a more meaningful, emotional and interesting exploration of death than anything in TLOU2 and they were very minor side characters in a kids game.

God of War is a bit better in that regard since there are themes, but it's still a very immature game. Don't make the mistake of conflating blood, swearing and death with maturity by default.

And that's what people like. There's nothing wrong if you like it too. It's just kinda silly (and ironically immature) to pretend it's not because you don't like the fact you like immature shallow things.

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Romulox28 posted...

I think that video games as a medium have not really matured as much as people want to think.

Ironically I kinda agree but for the opposite reasons you do. If that's your claim the why does TLOUS2 sell so well and is so popular?

I'd argue it did so well because TLOU2 is a pretty immature game, like Fortnight and others. Its success demonstrates that gamers haven't matured. I feel a similar feeling about God War on the PS4. They want very simple and basic, no new ideas, same thing they've seen before, skin deep done over and over again

Games that actually have mature themes and explore them in interesting ways tend to not nearly be as popular. See This War or Mine or Spec Ops The Line or Oui! The Revolution or Silent Hill 2.

Gamers as a generalization don't want that, they don't want to think or explore themes or hear interesting stories. They want childish same old same old.

Which sucks because people like Naughty Dog were in a position to try to change that but chose not to. Rockstar bless their hearts tried.

I think the bitterest pill for TLOU2 fans to swallow is not that people hate the game because it's so deep. It's that people just don't care about the game much because it's so bland and cliche. IF they accept that reality then they have to admit they like bland boring things which take no risks, and a lot of people are not comfortable doing that

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I think people are forgetting that the Multiplayer effected what ending you got.

The endings sucked so much that no one really remembers that, but on release it was impossible to get the synthesiss ending without doing multiplayer

They patched it so the war assests needed to get that ending were lowered.

But it wasn't just "hating mulitplayer for the sake of it" it objectively made the singleplayer worse

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I always think of Drew Karpyshyn as the man behind Mass effect

Casey was the man behind Andromeda and the Mass effect 3 ending

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Will it have Pinnacle Station?

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"Unity " to the GOP is "Doing whatever the GOP wants'

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Glad to hear it because it was a Janky mess on ps4

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Veggeta X posted...

Thinking Joel was the good guy in all of this says a lot about you, just saying.

Yeah, I don't get how anyone can claim TLOU1 was ambiguous or that the vaccine wouldn't have worked

Not only was the game blatant about it, Joel's entire character arc is based on it

Why would he have lied to Ellie in the first place and why was storming the facility to save Ellie a dramatic act if it wasn't an act of selfishness?

The entire point was that Joel wasn't prepared to lose another loved one, even at the cost of everyone else , that was his arc

Ellie was the first person to make him feel something since the outbreak, he went from completely jaded to caring again

"The world fucked me I, so I fucked the world "

Take that away and the character of Joel becomes as bland as Ellie and his decisions to lie/stand off with the fireflies just becomes plain silly

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IT also won't have gay Jack

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I think "sure it sucked at release but they patched it" is kinda BS

Full priced release should be a finished product

And from what I've heard these patches haven't done nearly much as you're implying, especially considering the glitches were only one issue people had with the unfinished game

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Anyone who cares about policies won't vote Republican so....

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The_Korey posted...

What kind of sex are we having that I have no idea what her upper torso is doing long enough to play a video game?

She's very good at hiding it and you were distracted by the sex having

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R.l.P

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modena posted...

nah,neither do actually.But you do have a choice to make at the end.

You're thinking of Metro 2033

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ZeroX91 posted...

Oh? Is there goodies in the dev rooms or is it just kinda there.

There's every type of gun, models of items/NPCs that will appear in the area and lots of odd things.

Like a spider egg that if you interact with the game will glitch and a spider (motionless) will follow you at your feet until the next loading screen.

ZeroX91 posted...

Does killing the ghouls play into the ending? I assume bandits do (which is dumb) but yea

IIRC: The only thing that plays into endings is, ending spoilers

Killing people. "Ghouls " count as animals.
If you kill people you get the bad ending, if you stealth past everyone or use KO grapples you get the happy ending

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Alteres posted...

Fix that

Done

Gamefaqs be a janky mistress

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Kakapo posted...

That is beyond fucked up.

What kind of grown-ass fucking men* need to pepper spray a 9 year old girl.

*Using the term very loosely, there

"But they have hard jobs so it's okay to be compoetent and the child was abused by her parents so it;s okay for cops to abuse her!"

Literally their logic

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Strider102 posted...

I watch confused at first, walk away, go into my garage and pull out my guitar.

Jammin' and I hope you like Jammin' too

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The foundation of the COVID-19 vaccine, and many others, can be drawn back to the work of an intrepid immigrant to the United States from Hungary, whose never-say-die attitude and belief in her work led to one of the most important technological developments in vaccine research.

Katalin Karik is now being talked about for a Nobel Prize, but life wasnt always so congratulatory for her, and the story about how she practically invented mRNA and RNA-derived therapies and vaccinesthe basis of so many lifesaving treatmentswas filled with challenges.

When Karik left her native Hungary with husband and young child, she had just $1,200 stuffed in her daughters teddy bear. Now, after years of her work developing mRNA and RNA technologies, she is the senior vice-president for the German pharmaceutical giant BioNTech, and her work has received more than 12,000 academic citations.

After graduating with a Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of Szeged, she afterwards embarked on a research career at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences.

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In that time, messenger RNA research was extremely popular, but shortly after she arrived, the method for using a viruss genetic material to command a human body to duplicate certain proteins to fight the virus was considered too radical, and too financially risky to fund.

The failed grant applications began piling up on Kariks desk, but she was not deterred.
Ten years after she arrived in Philadelphia, she was demoted from her position at UPenn and was then diagnosed with cancer.

Usually, at that point, people just say goodbye and leave because its so horrible, she told Stat, a health news site, in November. I thought of going somewhere else, or doing something else. I also thought maybe Im not good enough, not smart enough.

Along with another immunologist called Drew Weissman, the pair finally received patents for their mRNA technology in 2012, but after receiving yet more trouble from UPenn, Karik took a job at BioNTech, a German company founded, perhaps fittingly, also by immigrants.

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The pair are being talked about for a Nobel Prize, including by famed British intellectual Richard Dawkins and Moderna CEO Derek Rossi.

This year theyve already scooped up the Rosenstiel Award for Distinguished Work in Basic Medicine.

Through their painstaking research into mRNAand persistence despite setbacks Weissman and Karik laid the groundwork for vaccines that will save countless lives, said Director of the Rosenstiel Center for Research on Basic Medical Sciences.

In an interview with CNN, Karik, with eyes as blue as sea glacier ice, explained that the time for awards and celebrations will come at another time, when the pandemic she will be chiefly responsible for ending, indeed ends.

Full Article: https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/katalin-kariko-hungarian-chemist-developed-covid-19-mrna-vaccine/



What a lady


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Oh some advice:

Soak in the train sections. They are the highlight of the game. Pretty much save the game really, the gameplay is janky

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Game is incredibly glitchy and Janky.

In a lot of levels it's possible to enter developer rooms, even on console.

Just reload when stuff like this happens

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Hexenherz posted...

Wait so would he have gotten in trouble if he didn't violate the child prostitution law?

I think he would, just a different charge

Saturdory rape

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The_Korey posted...

Does she have any single friends?

I guess there's always Miss Poe

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kg88222 posted...

They have to hate it now because they have nothing better to do

I never buy this as a defense of anything. It always feels fanboyesq to me

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spikethedevil posted...

Do not agree with RE3.

I'm split

I liked RE3make a lot.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut... After RE7 and RE2make, it was disappointing.

Less replay value, stuff from RE3 missing, Nemesis was a huge let down on what he could have been

It's simutaniously a good game and disappointing IMO. It could have been great.

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I was hoping Melissa would stop sucking when she became sane again

But she's still a ****

s0nicfan posted...

It bothers me that the show is a shitty studio ripoff of Y: The Last Man after they rejected the initial pitch to make it a show.

Meh

DS9 was a ripoff of Bablyon 5 after the networked rejected the Initial pitch, then stole it and gave it to Star Trek

And it was great

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I guess she's innocent until proven guilty and not seen as a flight risk?

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InhumaneRaider posted...

The game isn't forcing you to do anything, it's laying a story in front of you and ultimately, it's up to you regarding how you feel about her.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Going "Well you don't have to sympathize!" doesn't change the fact the game tried to make you sympathize. That was the intention. Blatanty. Which is what I think bothered that user.

You don't have to dislike Scar in the Lion King but the cinematrography is blatantly trying to make you dislike him.

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Hot off the presses: Angry Joe's top 10 most disappointing games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrh6IXx1JeA

10.Disintergation
9.Mafia 2: Definitive edition
8.Godfall
7.Serious Sam 4
6.Watch-Dogs: Leigon
5.DBZ Kakarot
4.Madden 21
3.Resident Evil 3 Remake
2. Marvel's Avengers
1.CyberPunk 2077

I mean was anyone expecting anything else for #1? Lol


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InhumaneRaider posted...

He says as he did nothing but pivot in yesterday's topic...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79270699?page=1

Wut?

That topic is literally just people discussing their top 10 games, then like 4 TLOU2 fans insulting a bunch of people for no reason and then running off when asked questions.

I don't get how you can view that and claim myself or any other user was just calling everything wrong. Pretty much the only one doing that was GGOA and that Squirtle guy who just called everyone stupid for "Not Getting It" while at the same time admitting there wasn't anything to get because the story was so basic

I'm guessing you're not actually reading any post that's longer than 2 sentences and just assuming they're full of insults because that's what you would do

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lolwut?

UnfairRepresent posted...

Not knocking anyone who loves it BTW, if you got more of it than I or others did, then that's nothing but a good thing

I didn't say anyone was wrong about anything.

What a lazy evasion of valid criticisms just because you don't share the same opinion.

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Ok?

I dunno what you're talking about and I doubt you do either...

Gonna steal a quote and say
"TLOU is afraid to say that Abby hates peas to avoiding pissing off the pea hating the pea hating community."

She's just bland. Only exists as a vehicle to push plot.

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Darmik posted...

Eh Naughty Dog is a company that is overall a bit overrated but TLOU2 is by far their least 'commitee designed' game. Stuff like Abby wouldn't get through a committee design as the response to the leaks showed.

Erm




If you say so.

She seems immesely typical and generic to me. Just "Tomboy action girl but she's vulnrable too!" #29

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InhumaneRaider posted...

It doesn't force you to do anything. It presents her side of the story and how you feel about her, is ultimately up to you. There's this misconception that the game "forces" you to do these things, when in reality, the scenario is played out and how you react, is how you react.

I think you're being hyperliteral.

The game is blatantly attempting to make you sympathize with her. The music, the camera angles, dialogue, the playing with fluffy dogs and her chummy friends who you just slaughtered.

Going "Well you don't have to sympathize!" doesn't change the fact the game tried to make you sympathize. That was the intention. Blatanty. Which is what I think bothered that user.

You don't have to dislike Scar in the Lion King but the cinematrography is blatantly trying to make you dislike him.

Personally I didn't sympathize with Ellie or Joel or Abby since the game was so tone deaf and they were all so bland. One I felt most sorry for was the dog.

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I don't hate it. It's just immensely mediocre.

Terrible story. Awful bland boring dull characters. Utterly mundane and safe, just taking tropes and cliches from other better movies and TV shows and games and inserting the without regard to build up or pacing

Completely generic uninspired lazy gameplay we've see before in 100 other games. Generic crafting, generic stealth, generic combat, generic collectibles, generic music. Generic poor AI that's easy to break. Very boring art design and level design. The enviroments are dull. Game has a ton of padding to push it's runtime.

Didn't bring anything new to the table. No innovation whatsoever in gameplay, design or story.

And because it takes itself seriously and has a ton of forced walking sections, the blandness starts to build up and replay value is harmed.

I think the reason why people percieve (and frankly WANT) it to be hated is that it's easier to imagine people irrationally hating something than it is to admit you love something so bland

Kinda like how everyone claims people hate the Transformers movies, yet they just print money endlessly.

I don't hate the transformers movies and I don't hate TLOU2. They're both just meh, functional. TLOU2 is a little worse tho due to pretending to be serious while being so stupid instead of embracing it's stupidity.

To pull a parent card, I ain't mad, just disappointed. Games like TLOU2 and Transformers being so successful tell developers and producers that this is what the public want, and others will just mimic them. So it encourages more blandess and lack of effort and discourages innovation and new ideas.

You just know the next slew of Triple A single player "narrative" games are going to follow suit.

I'm more of a fan of passion projects and TLOU2 is as commitee designed as it gets.

Not knocking anyone who loves it BTW, if you got more of it than I or others did, then that's nothing but a good thing. Just trying to explain my opinion, and in my experience the camp of "I don't hate it, it was just meh" seems like 7 times as large as the guys who hated it.

There really isn't enough there to hate.

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Machete posted...

I've only experienced 2 glitches

I find it hard to believe you.

If you're not lying , go buy a lottery ticket

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Zikten posted...

I go where Claire Redfield goes. She's been my Resident Evil girl since RE2

What If she went into a disgusting sewer?

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ApherosyLove posted...

A horse/bike would be cool in New Vegas to go with the cowboy motif, but I'm not sure if horses exist in Fallout. Don't know much about the lore outside of New Vegas myself.

According to the wiki that doesn't site sources:

https://falloutfanon.fandom.com/wiki/Horse

They are believed to be extinct but there are rumors of some still remaining

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Alteres posted...

Yeah, I can see the capitol wasteland being too congested.

Dats why it would be fun

This is a wasteland. Not a city with grid streets

You'd feel like a explorer or maybe a bandit and fuck up like one

Maybe try to set up an ambush only to drive off a cliff to your doom or better yet, leave you now crippled while surrounded by enemies and have to crawl you're way out of it in an epic firefight on the last of your health, using what few items you have with you

I'd have liked it

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Fallout 2 did

And the sandbox + Mad Max inspiration seems tailor made for having your own upgradable car.

I mean look how Fallout 4 handled power armor, a car could work in a similar way.

Imagine plowing a giant scorpion with your car or literally gatecrashing a bandit base.

See if Gravyboat can mark a settlement on my map when he's face is underneath my tires.

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lemondrop7 posted...

skyrim and red dead redemption dont do anything for me. but i enjoy the fallout games and grand theft auto. i dont know why that is because stylistically theyre all the same but yep

Just sounds like you're into guns

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I know it's about as stable as a west bank ceasefire and launched literally thousands of memes due to it's dodgy dialogue and constant glitches.

But the sheer fact millions cared so much and even now they can re-release it 17 times and sell a billion copies each time demonstrates something at least.

What do you think?

Is it an all time milestone masterpiece of gaming? Or just a mess and an embarrasment to the industry that it was so popular and successful?

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