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Roy doesn't feel very nerfed at all to me! Probably still my #2 main behind K. Rool.
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You don't have Bayo unlocked, Yo? I saw you had like 150 hours in the game so that's pretty shocking! But if you've been playing a ton of online, that would make sense.

If Bayo is still considered topmost tier, I definitely want to get good with her. Ggs, Yo.

(e: oh, maybe it was someone else and not you that had that much time sinked into the game?)
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I love the King. He's actually really fun to play even when wrecking me. Sorry for noobing it up with Shulk btw, trying to learn him.

That's good to know -- I definitely have a few friends who are quite tired of facing the King! I've never been good with Shulk, but I was just about to noob it up with Isabelle when you parted. I need some sleep though so that was probably a good move.

Gotta work tomorrow til 10 p.m. EST but will be back for more around 11ish tomorrow night.
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I just needed to get in the zone after playing computers for like 4 hours straight :D

K. Rool must be so annoying to edge guard. Not too mention how oppressive that crown cannon combo is!
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Yessss. 2-1 vs. Yo. Good games, man. Your Snake is pretty cunning.

I'd love to keep playing ya if anyone else doesn't join soon!
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Room is up! Password is 1234 and it's open to all friends. So whoever wants to come in, Yo or ben or anyone else in Group C is welcome!
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Oh, same to Yo
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benjamin3740 posted...

@StartTheMachine

I added your friend code. Adding everyone in my division for now

@benjamin3740

I see you just got back online! Want to get our matches done? Been messing around in World of Light for the last few hours and I'm itching for some human competition.
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Friend Code: 7273-0002-6156

Add me, Group C! Down for some matches later tonight.
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honestly not sure Rachel is worse than Ross

Joey and Chandler are easily the two best
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in it to win it, baby

hopefully I don't forget I signed up for this, but don't worry, this reminder right here will ensure I don't
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SantaRPidgey posted...

I once again want to state how dumb it is that I have to repick my character and prefered color EVERY match. Whyyy can't any smash game get interface right (except smash 3ds)

Its actually super cruel that the one smash game with good interface is the one thats almost impossible to play with friends

Agreed. Definitely my biggest problems with SSBU are small little quality of life things like that. The most noticeable one to me is that hazardless stages need to be a selectable option along with Battlefield and Omega forms on the stage select screen. Like...I don't usually know if I want to go hazardless until after stage selection (especially when we take turns picking stages when playing with people). My brother picked Magicant once because he thought it looked cool and had never played it, and a quick hazardless toggle would have been so useful there.
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hi Smash people

I landed a new job right around when this game came out but finished unlocking everyone last night! Aaaand it doesn't matter because K. Rool is King tier baby, God King tier.

So glad they fixed the quickplay online too in this last patch. God this game's online is surprisingly about perfect -- they just need to add goddamn win-loss and KO/death statistics. But I'm so happy I can finally do 3 stock matches online. 3 stock omega form or 3 stock any stage no items is always good times.

And again the King. The King is just...everything I ever wanted him to be and more.

That is about all. I can pretty much already tell this game's going down as my favorite multiplayer game of all time. Unsurprising, since Smash 4 had that title prior.

but good lord GMUN, how the fuck have you already done all the challenges
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Well...the Mortal Kombat movie, for one.
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Panthera posted...

Having fun so far, but my brief foray into online...well, I can't expect too many people in my part of the world to be awake so I'm probably facing people from a million miles away, but I sure hope that's not the norm because it's literally unplayable.

I feel like at some point I'm going to sit down to adjust the music for each stage and then TWO HOURS LATER I will finish adjusting the music for each stage

So far my online experience has been almost the exact opposite. Very little lag except in one particular case against a Japanese player (and I don't have a Wired LAN adapter yet). So hopefully you're just getting people with bad connections, unless you're the one with the bad connection.

I fucking love the Battle Arena mode online soooo much too. This online shits all over Smash 4's.
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I am proud to say that Super Sonic Racing from Sonic R was my very first music purchase in the game
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I haven't even fucked with Adventure Mode yet but this new Classic is the goddamn best. I started with Zelda (who is seemingly god tier now and actually a joy to play) and when Ganondorf transformed into Ganon in the final battle I lost my goddamn shit. And I already knew Ganon was in the game too. It was still so epic. Does anyone know what stage that second part of the fight takes place in? Because it literally perfectly recreates the final fight from Ocarina of Time.

I did Mario's next and his theme of fighting all the most iconic Nintendo characters was just the best. Even in Classic every fight feels rather unique. And holy shit, low-key the most unexpectedly wonderful part of this whole game is computers actually being both intelligent and challenging now. No more just walking into charged smashes! They legit respond to move spams and everything...it's amazing.

In general, I'm finding characters I never liked playing in Smash before to be so damn fun. I can finally rep Metroid and get good with Samus now. Life is good. And I need sleep.
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I actually made a "Snow Day" mix a few years back because I'm always making dumb thematic mixes and included this classic! Can't remember if I had any other video game songs on there though.
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Mario's cap, Super Mario Odyssey
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Alucard asked Bowser "what is a man?" and got back a really confusing answer

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GAME OVER

RETURN OF GANNON SPRITE PIC

but man that Light's Arrows one is real good too
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The DKCs should be the obligatory first posts in these topics.
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Smash 3DS is cool and all but...what a weird purchase considering we're just barely over a week out from Ultimate.
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Yep, I did want to know and thanks, I kind of had the feeling that was the case. I was like 13 or 14 when I played it, so not super young to the point that I would have so easily forgotten beating it! Guess I never did afterall.
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Damn, I need to find my DS charger or just go buy a new SP because I want to play FFV with you guys! Been told that the SP backlight does not hold up anymore though (which is hilarious considering how big of a leap it was from the old GBA).

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think I actually might have beaten FFV Advance back in the day. I distinctly remember fighting Exdeath who is apparently the final boss. Unless you fight Exdeath multiple times through?
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

Don't forget to attempt a CES challenge at least once!

These sound really, really cool. Definitely going to be tempted to do a run like that in the future!
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I'm gonna go with Rocky just because I don't think Stallone would make a very compelling terminator. Arnold, on the other hand, would be the perfect Rocky villain.
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Random aside: I always wanted a more traditional "endgame" style dungeon too, ala Ganon's Tower in Wind Waker. I was all excited to visit the Sealed Grounds in the past my first time through, only to be a little let down that it was just an immediate face off with the final boss. A few puzzley rooms, some bosses back to back (Phantom Demise anyone?), and just an epic setting leading up to the final boss would go so much to make the endgame more memorable for me.

Don't get me wrong. Sky Keep is great, but nothing has ever topped Wind Waker's endgame for me and I'd love to see something structurally similar.
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I was never bothered as much by the multiple Imprisoned fights as most either, but yeah, making the recurring bosses more unique each go would only serve to improve the game.

And I have hopes, but we'll see! I'm usually too optimistic about these things.
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SgtSphynx posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

NES was just Nintendo

After the SNES debuted, it was Regular Nintendo and SNES was Super Nintendo

This, but NES was also occasionally N E S.

All of this. I don't think I ever heard the SNES called anything but the Super Nintendo back in the day, but I definitely heard NES on rare occasions. Usually just Regular Nintendo though.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

those simple problems like describing every new item you gain in the collectibles list per every play session.

I kind of like this, weirdly enough. It's not near as bad as TP (the original) reminding you what fucking rupees are. At least those materials items are strange, and there are so many kinds of them that those reminders never bothered me. It's definitely something they'd clean up in the remake anyway.

The larger problems with Skyward Sword that need fixing are:

- Fi's absurd overtalkativeness/overguidance, as GMUN pointed out
- The empty sky
- Reoccurring bosses, specifically The Imprisoned fight

Fi is an incredibly easy fix. The other two would take some work, but if they put in the extra effort they're more than doable.

Improving the sky would require actual new content: fill it with more islands and more meaningful places to visit. Wind Waker struck such a great balance between the vast emptiness of its sea and the interesting places to explore within that sea; take a page from it. I think it would also be really cool to get more little holes in the sky that connect to the surface and to eventually be able to get all the areas to interconnect with one another. As for the reoccurring Imprisoned fight, my solution is as follows: Take out Imprisoned 2 altogether. Have players fight Imprisoned 1, then 3, then make the actual third fight something entirely original and new. Ghirahim didn't really have this problem since his third fight was entirely unique, but they should still maybe give him some more unique attacks during his second fight. To be even more greedy, I always wanted a third phase in the Demise battle as well. Such a good fight but it's so ridiculously short.

Skyward Sword is already my favorite Zelda, warts and all, but damn how they could clean it up and make it so much better still. I highly doubt Aonuma would tease it on the Switch unless it's happening, so my mind has been going wild with the possibilities for a couple days now.
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pyresword posted...

Skyward Sword best Zelda game.

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Oh hey, I encountered one last little scene I hadn't witnessed before -- the one with Duncan and Sabin where I would have gotten Bum Rush, had I not already leveled Sabin up well past 70 now. I wonder if there are any final little scenes left like this. I also taught Sabin and Celes every spell in the game! Even though I have no use for all this stuff, still feels good.
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Aaaand done. That was a short and sweet last little dungeon with a cool concept.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Don't forget to bring Strago back to Thamasa after you finish it.

As soon as I beat Hidon, the game automatically brought Strago back to Thamasa for me. Found out Gungho was faking his injuries (never really explained why though?) and that was that. But yay, a new lore move that I'll never use, Grand Train!

So in that case, have I done pretty much every notable thing in the game? Let me know if you all can think of any possible things I missed.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

A full party is OK, as long as you have Strago as one of the members. You need Relm to trigger the sidequest, but not to resolve it.

Ahh, nice. I was actually wondering what would have happened if I walked into Thamasa with Strago and not Relm.

I also forgot that Level 43 is still actually pretty good in this game. Playing Ebot's Rock now!
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I do remember really digging the job system more than anything else. And yeah, I don't even remember any of the characters, honestly. I think the main guy was Bartz or something like that? Must not have a very memorable cast!

And awww yeah, made it to the Ebot's Rock dungeon. Just so happened to go right to Thamasa very shortly after equipping Strago. I honestly had no clue where I was supposed to go, I just got lucky. So am I, uh, supposed to only have Strago for this dungeon in order to find this monster? That's what Strago said, but I walked inside with a full party.

If I need to have just Strago, I may want to do some grinding at the good old dino forest. He's a paltry level 43... Sabin is level 80 now! Poor Strago.
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Ridable dinos all the way
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Man, wish I had gotten FFVI Advance. Would have loved all this other content and that post-eight dragons dungeon especially. That was the exact reward I was hoping for. But I suppose it was cool to play this in the classic localization, even though I'm assuming the script is better in FFVIA since it's at the very least more accurate.

Hmm, I still have my copy of FFV Advance. I wonder if I should give that another go. My GBA SP broke forever ago, but I do have my original DS that I can play it on. It's...actually also semi-broken, though I don't think the bottom screen is messed up at all. Or I could just buy another GBA SP. I need to do that anyway because I still have my collection of original Game Boy/Game Boy Color games and no system that can play them anymore.
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

FinaIFantasy posted...

Grand
Theft
Auto
IV

This. Full price at launch. The only 3D GTA I never finished (handhelds excluded)

Same here and it's a good contender for my most disappointing full price purchase. GTA IV was an entirely joyless experience for me and I could not bring myself to finish it. I appreciated Rockstar trying to tell a more meaningful story for the time, but they didn't need to strip the game of all of its fun in the process.

Even Star Fox Zero I ended up pretty much loving, despite literally hating it for the first five or so hours. So glad I powered through though and mastered the controls, because I low-key think it might be the best Star Fox once that hurdle is conquered.
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mnkbear907 posted...

Okay but how much do you really need to steal in this game?

hey it's the other way to get the best weapon in the game and you gotta steal it from the final boss fight!

But then how do you save the game after stealing the weapon? I imagine you can't warp out of the final boss, right?

I've been playing more of the game today, but don't really have too much to update on. Was just doing some more Colosseum battling/item exchanging. And then I found out there was a second Aegis shield in the final dungeon, so I went exploring all over that dungeon and finally found it. Aside from that, just back backtracking to various other dungeons with a Moogle Charm equipped to see if I can find any other treasures. I'm about to put Strago in my party now and do some more exploring.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

If you were playing the GBA version then killing the 8 dragons would have unlocked a post-game dungeon, but here, Crusader is all you get.

Also I think you missed one more optional dungeon. It's related to Strago. Go do Strago-related things.

Was literally going to ask which character should I be messing with to get to this last dungeon. Aaaand I had a feeling it would be Strago because I think he's my least used character in the game. I'll get on that.

(Probably not tonight but maybe.)
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Sonic boom, sonic boom, sonic boooooom

(Trouble keeps you running faster)
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CelesMyUserName posted...

regarding shadow... anything you learned about him from that last dream?

Oh wow, nope. I just looked it up and now I know Shadow is Relm's father. But yeah, I just rewatched that last dream and I have no idea how I was supposed to put that together. Maybe it'd be more clear if I watch all five dreams back to back.
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So I'm thinking the only major thing I have left to do is find this final dungeon and maybe do some more Colosseum battling. I am about fully done with this game. I'm sure I'll play the final boss once more (again, I have a save state right there so I doubt I'll actually replay that whole dungeon) just to see that great ending again. But otherwise, I have greatly enjoyed this wonderful game and am about ready to move on.

cyko posted...

With Shadow, there are five different dreams that should help you piece together who he really is.

I gotcha. In that case, I have already seen all 5 dreams. I figured it might end with a playable dream sequence or something, kind of similar to the Cyan's soul quest, but I guess not.

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Enter the building with the kids to learn about Katarin, then enter the far left building and follow the dog that entered the room to find a hidden stairway which leads to Terra and Katarin. By talking to them, you will trigger Phunbaba's second attack on the village.

Ahhh, must have totally missed that part I bolded the first time I walked into that room. That's actually a pretty cool clue. The dog should maybe eventually show up there again though for those who miss it!
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Alright, this will likely be one of my last updates!

Finished exploring the Ancient Castle last night and got all the way to the dragon. Decided to save state there late last night, because I'd been playing forever and figured I'd leave off at a cool moment. So yeah, I was excited to pick right back up at the dragon today. Fighting at this point is just me mashing A and using the fight command every time, because I'm so ridiculously powerful now, so the battle of course lasted a whole minute. (I generally just use Mog's Moogle Charm now that battling is kind of pointless.) So I beat my eighth and final dragon and I get a message saying "Dragon Seal broken" and the Esper, Crusader, is all mine! Hmmm, I'm wondering: is that dragon seal broken message implying that there's somewhere new on the map I can get to? Or is that Esper my only reward? I'm guessing it's just the Esper.

I also picked up the Odin Esper there and it quickly turned into Raiden after talking to the Queen who had been turned into stone. Dang, I should have checked out the Odin summon while I had the chance! But to be honest, there's probably more than a few summons I haven't even seen anyway just because I barely use them.

Oh, and did I mention how lucky I got hitting that switch in the big open throne room of the castle? Like, damn, I just randomly happened to be mashing the A button and hit an invisible switch. These switches, which appear to have no environmental clues whatsoever, are pretty silly. I mean...the one for the final Edgar Tool was fine, but this one is what opened up the area to the dragon and the queen right? Seems a bit more essential.

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Speaking of which, there's a secret passage in a building in Mobliz where Terra (and Katarin) are hiding. I think Duane clues you in to the location? But it's not like there's much left of Mobliz to search.

I don't remember any such clue, but there's a chance I just wasn't paying attention when he told me. Anyway, heeding your advice, I basically just walked into every possible wall that I could and finally found it. Ugh, that was so ridiculous. But yay, Terra and Duane are here!

Duane apologizes to his preggo wife for being a terrible husband, they make up, and Phunbaba suddenly comes attacking Mobliz once again. Terra says she's afraid to fight, so my party gets to work without her. Very quickly, Phunbaba blows half of my party away and Terra shows up in her Esper form. Again, the boss is a joke and I mop the floor with him. The children all stare at Terra in her Esper form, calling her a "monster" and clearly fearing her. Finally, one child recognizes her and they all gather around her in a sweet little moment of acceptance. Yay, Terra is finally in my party again. I think she was Lv. 53 when I got her, so not quite as awful as I was expecting.

CelesMyUserName posted...

if we're mentioning things to do, one hint is I'm not sure Blur did any Locke picking

Yessss, these are the types of clues I adore. Kind of glossed over it at first until I checked the topic one last time late last night and immediately remembered Narshe was full of locked doors. So yeah, with Locke in the party and my Moogle Charm equipped, I made my way to every locked door I could.

So the big question here is Ragnarok: Esper or Sword? I chose the Esper, but I created a save state there anyway if I ever wanted to check out the sword (assuming there isn't another way to get one). But since then, I've done a little bit of grinding so I doubt I will bother going back.

Also found a Cursed Shield there and the NPC tells me how powerful it would be if I could cure it of its curse. Hmmm, something to ponder. And I think that was about all I found at Narshe, Double-checked to make sure I opened every possible door and high-tailed it outta there.
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And the Figaro Castle quest I did wayyyyy farther back than that and definitely included it in an update.

Never mind on this! Thanks for the suggestion. I checked this out, to be sure there wasn't anything to this, and it indeed looks like there was. I'm pretty sure this is different anyway. Time to explore this basement.
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did I just say Sabin's vigor was 78 because that shit is 80 now. I've just kept the Bismark Esper equipped to him for a long ass time now. and Edgar's magic power is 81 thanks to doing the same thing, though equipping the Tritoch Esper to him in this case
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Awww yeah, thanks to grinding more in the dino forest, this time with 4 Exp. boosters, Sabin has become my first level 70 character! (Sorry, Celes.) And I also learned that final Blitz - Bum Rush, baby. The funny thing is....Bum Rush is actually weaker than my regular fighting attack. Thanks to having a Genji Glove equipped and his insane Vigor (78) and Battle Power (455), I do 11k+ damage with his regular attack. So yeah, sorry Bum Rush but you appear to be useless to me! I'm also at about 51 hours of playtime now.

igordebraga posted...

How come? I thought returning to Mobliz and talking to Terra and the people there were enough to bring Phunbaba back.

Anyway, two visits you could do: Opera House, and Figaro Castle (in the latter, ask the engineer to dive the castle, and when it stalls, go inspect the basement).

I think I already did both these quests. The Opera House thing is just the dragon, right? I did that a while back. I think it was like the first thing I did after I beat the game. My bad if I never updated about it! And the Figaro Castle quest I did wayyyyy farther back than that and definitely included it in an update.
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