Board 8 > I'm playing Final Fantasy VI for the first time.

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StartTheMachine posted...

And the Figaro Castle quest I did wayyyyy farther back than that and definitely included it in an update.

Never mind on this! Thanks for the suggestion. I checked this out, to be sure there wasn't anything to this, and it indeed looks like there was. I'm pretty sure this is different anyway. Time to explore this basement.
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honestly I love that side section
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Maybe Terra only shows up if your party has less than 4 people?

As for visiting Gau's father, yep, I guess I just happened to luck out having both Sabin and Gau in my party during one of my visits, but it just ended with Gau's dad not recognizing his son. Is that the end of his story?

Yes, that's all the conclusion you get. You can wring a bit more dialogue out of it in future playthroughs, though; Terra and Locke will show up for the "give Gau a makeover" montage, if they've been re-recruited.

Speaking of which, there's a secret passage in a building in Mobliz where Terra (and Katarin) are hiding. I think Duane clues you in to the location? But it's not like there's much left of Mobliz to search.
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StartTheMachine posted...

cyko posted...

Well, I am going to leave something that's tough to find - based on my two questions. It's here, but only if you want it -


Who was in your party when you visited Gau's father?

Make sure you bring Gau and Sabin to see Gau's father.

Do you ever stay at any of the inns? Especially with one specific character?

Sleep at the inns with Shadow. Eventually you will discover why.

So about both of these things. I've been sleeping at the inns with Shadow and, yeah, this is very interesting so far. Gotta keep doing it and see where it leads. As for visiting Gau's father, yep, I guess I just happened to luck out having both Sabin and Gau in my party during one of my visits, but it just ended with Gau's dad not recognizing his son. Is that the end of his story? He keeps asking me to fix stuff though, but maybe I can't actually fix anything?

OK then, the last poster explained Gau and how you finished his story..

With Shadow, there are five different dreams that should help you piece together who he really is.

With Terra, if you are truly stumped, here is how to find her -

Enter the building with the kids to learn about Katarin, then enter the far left building and follow the dog that entered the room to find a hidden stairway which leads to Terra and Katarin. By talking to them, you will trigger Phunbaba's second attack on the village.
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One cool detail about Shadow is how there is this item only he and another character can equip.

Alright, this will likely be one of my last updates!

Finished exploring the Ancient Castle last night and got all the way to the dragon. Decided to save state there late last night, because I'd been playing forever and figured I'd leave off at a cool moment. So yeah, I was excited to pick right back up at the dragon today. Fighting at this point is just me mashing A and using the fight command every time, because I'm so ridiculously powerful now, so the battle of course lasted a whole minute. (I generally just use Mog's Moogle Charm now that battling is kind of pointless.) So I beat my eighth and final dragon and I get a message saying "Dragon Seal broken" and the Esper, Crusader, is all mine! Hmmm, I'm wondering: is that dragon seal broken message implying that there's somewhere new on the map I can get to? Or is that Esper my only reward? I'm guessing it's just the Esper.

I also picked up the Odin Esper there and it quickly turned into Raiden after talking to the Queen who had been turned into stone. Dang, I should have checked out the Odin summon while I had the chance! But to be honest, there's probably more than a few summons I haven't even seen anyway just because I barely use them.

Oh, and did I mention how lucky I got hitting that switch in the big open throne room of the castle? Like, damn, I just randomly happened to be mashing the A button and hit an invisible switch. These switches, which appear to have no environmental clues whatsoever, are pretty silly. I mean...the one for the final Edgar Tool was fine, but this one is what opened up the area to the dragon and the queen right? Seems a bit more essential.

MalcolmMasher posted...

Speaking of which, there's a secret passage in a building in Mobliz where Terra (and Katarin) are hiding. I think Duane clues you in to the location? But it's not like there's much left of Mobliz to search.

I don't remember any such clue, but there's a chance I just wasn't paying attention when he told me. Anyway, heeding your advice, I basically just walked into every possible wall that I could and finally found it. Ugh, that was so ridiculous. But yay, Terra and Duane are here!

Duane apologizes to his preggo wife for being a terrible husband, they make up, and Phunbaba suddenly comes attacking Mobliz once again. Terra says she's afraid to fight, so my party gets to work without her. Very quickly, Phunbaba blows half of my party away and Terra shows up in her Esper form. Again, the boss is a joke and I mop the floor with him. The children all stare at Terra in her Esper form, calling her a "monster" and clearly fearing her. Finally, one child recognizes her and they all gather around her in a sweet little moment of acceptance. Yay, Terra is finally in my party again. I think she was Lv. 53 when I got her, so not quite as awful as I was expecting.

CelesMyUserName posted...

if we're mentioning things to do, one hint is I'm not sure Blur did any Locke picking

Yessss, these are the types of clues I adore. Kind of glossed over it at first until I checked the topic one last time late last night and immediately remembered Narshe was full of locked doors. So yeah, with Locke in the party and my Moogle Charm equipped, I made my way to every locked door I could.

So the big question here is Ragnarok: Esper or Sword? I chose the Esper, but I created a save state there anyway if I ever wanted to check out the sword (assuming there isn't another way to get one). But since then, I've done a little bit of grinding so I doubt I will bother going back.

Also found a Cursed Shield there and the NPC tells me how powerful it would be if I could cure it of its curse. Hmmm, something to ponder. And I think that was about all I found at Narshe, Double-checked to make sure I opened every possible door and high-tailed it outta there.
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So I'm thinking the only major thing I have left to do is find this final dungeon and maybe do some more Colosseum battling. I am about fully done with this game. I'm sure I'll play the final boss once more (again, I have a save state right there so I doubt I'll actually replay that whole dungeon) just to see that great ending again. But otherwise, I have greatly enjoyed this wonderful game and am about ready to move on.

cyko posted...

With Shadow, there are five different dreams that should help you piece together who he really is.

I gotcha. In that case, I have already seen all 5 dreams. I figured it might end with a playable dream sequence or something, kind of similar to the Cyan's soul quest, but I guess not.

cyko posted...

Enter the building with the kids to learn about Katarin, then enter the far left building and follow the dog that entered the room to find a hidden stairway which leads to Terra and Katarin. By talking to them, you will trigger Phunbaba's second attack on the village.

Ahhh, must have totally missed that part I bolded the first time I walked into that room. That's actually a pretty cool clue. The dog should maybe eventually show up there again though for those who miss it!
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Uncursing the shield is unfortunately pretty time consuming given how late you got it.

You need to fight 255 battles with it equipped
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Ragnarok is fun (the summon turns enemies into item) but the sword is always the best choice. Outside of its summon ability that's more of a gimmick (although powerful), the Ragnarok magicite just has nothing to offer uniquely.

The sword on the other hand can become the best sword in the game... although in FF6A there is another way to get one of those.

regarding shadow... anything you learned about him from that last dream?
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And with the Ribbon to cancel all the effects other than "countdown to death". The shield that results teaches Ultima, a spell you clearly don't need (along with Meteor, the one Odin taught) given your grinding has led to superhuman levels.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Ragnarok is fun (the summon turns enemies into item) but the sword is always the best choice. Outside of its summon ability that's more of a gimmick (although powerful), the Ragnarok magicite just has nothing to offer uniquely.

The sword on the other hand can become the best sword in the game... although in FF6A there is another way to get one of those.

regarding shadow... anything you learned about him from that last dream?

I mean, the esper is better for casual play if you don't want to bother with the ridiculous cursed shield grind. But yeah, the sword is better from a completionist perspective.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

regarding shadow... anything you learned about him from that last dream?

Oh wow, nope. I just looked it up and now I know Shadow is Relm's father. But yeah, I just rewatched that last dream and I have no idea how I was supposed to put that together. Maybe it'd be more clear if I watch all five dreams back to back.
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goes back to a few FUN FACTS mentioned earlier:

- Memento Ring only equips to Shadow & Relm (Relm starts with one equipped, another is found in Strago/Relm's house)... which you may go note its description
- if you let Shadow die, Relm takes his place in the Veldt
- if you let Shadow die, Relm owns Interceptor (including the Interceptor Counter status effect)

... and just why Interceptor was friendly towards Relm right from the beginning in the WoB

There was also a scrapped scene between Shadow and Strago at some point:

FFWiki, V-Jump interview

Shadow and Relm's relationship was officially confirmed in developers' interviews in 1995. The developers considered having a scene in a bar (presumably in Thamasa) where Strago asks Shadow to reveal his identity. The dialogue was supposed to be as follows:

Strago: I have one request... Show me your face. Even if you are him, I have no intention of wasting time trying to talk you into staying. I just want to know... for Relm's sake...
Shadow: ...... (He takes off his mask and shows Strago his face. However, his back is turned so that the player can't see.)
Strago: Thank you... Shadow. ...Come, let's have a drink.

Also all those dreams could've been viewed in the WoB. So really Shadow's existence is just an extra in the WoR, which is why his Veldt appearance is glitched and obtaining him is pretty straight forward and simple. He does get a moment in the ending though.

Oh right, the GBA version is much more clear in the final dream, referring to the "daughter" rather than the "girl".

*edit*

oh right most obviously, if you let Shadow die... Relm has a dream instead when you get her knocked out in the Veldt (where you get Shadow's fifth dream if he lives).
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If you were playing the GBA version then killing the 8 dragons would have unlocked a post-game dungeon, but here, Crusader is all you get.

Also I think you missed one more optional dungeon. It's related to Strago. Go do Strago-related things.

Hidon was one of the things I think he still needed to do

... party of why I'm egging a bit about the area!
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

If you were playing the GBA version then killing the 8 dragons would have unlocked a post-game dungeon, but here, Crusader is all you get.

Also I think you missed one more optional dungeon. It's related to Strago. Go do Strago-related things.

Was literally going to ask which character should I be messing with to get to this last dungeon. Aaaand I had a feeling it would be Strago because I think he's my least used character in the game. I'll get on that.

(Probably not tonight but maybe.)
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Yes, the Strago thing is what I never knew about for so long. Because who the fuck uses Strago.
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He's helpful to have partied with Locke to make stealing easier. De-leveling enemies using Dischord!
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Okay but how much do you really need to steal in this game?
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mnkbear907 posted...

Yes, the Strago thing is what I never knew about for so long. Because who the fuck uses Strago.

I did a lot, after doing the Strago thing and getting the thingy at the end of it.

mnkbear907 posted...

Okay but how much do you really need to steal in this game?

hey it's the other way to get the best weapon in the game and you gotta steal it from the final boss fight!
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CelesMyUserName posted...

mnkbear907 posted...

Okay but how much do you really need to steal in this game?

hey it's the other way to get the best weapon in the game and you gotta steal it from the final boss fight!

But then how do you save the game after stealing the weapon? I imagine you can't warp out of the final boss, right?

I've been playing more of the game today, but don't really have too much to update on. Was just doing some more Colosseum battling/item exchanging. And then I found out there was a second Aegis shield in the final dungeon, so I went exploring all over that dungeon and finally found it. Aside from that, just back backtracking to various other dungeons with a Moogle Charm equipped to see if I can find any other treasures. I'm about to put Strago in my party now and do some more exploring.
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You can't in the SNES version. You can only use the sword in the fight you steal it from.

The GBA version saves after beating the game.
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Man, wish I had gotten FFVI Advance. Would have loved all this other content and that post-eight dragons dungeon especially. That was the exact reward I was hoping for. But I suppose it was cool to play this in the classic localization, even though I'm assuming the script is better in FFVIA since it's at the very least more accurate.

Hmm, I still have my copy of FFV Advance. I wonder if I should give that another go. My GBA SP broke forever ago, but I do have my original DS that I can play it on. It's...actually also semi-broken, though I don't think the bottom screen is messed up at all. Or I could just buy another GBA SP. I need to do that anyway because I still have my collection of original Game Boy/Game Boy Color games and no system that can play them anymore.
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yeap that

FF6a also has the Dragon's Den dungeon after beating the 8 Dragons, where the Kaiser Dragon can be fought... which actually exists within FF6 SNES's game data and even became a rumour to be able to fight but never actually was until FF6a

dammit you ninja'd me about the info i was posting!
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StartTheMachine posted...

though I'm assuming the script is better in FFVIA since it's at the very least more accurate.

FF6's SNES localization has lots of charms in it that I'm glad you could experience and I've even been able to comment on for what it's worth!

"son of a sandworm" my ass
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FF 5 is great and you should give it a try. The characters and story really aren't as compelling as 6 ( though they are still fine). The job system is a blast though.
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I do remember really digging the job system more than anything else. And yeah, I don't even remember any of the characters, honestly. I think the main guy was Bartz or something like that? Must not have a very memorable cast!

And awww yeah, made it to the Ebot's Rock dungeon. Just so happened to go right to Thamasa very shortly after equipping Strago. I honestly had no clue where I was supposed to go, I just got lucky. So am I, uh, supposed to only have Strago for this dungeon in order to find this monster? That's what Strago said, but I walked inside with a full party.

If I need to have just Strago, I may want to do some grinding at the good old dino forest. He's a paltry level 43... Sabin is level 80 now! Poor Strago.
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A full party is OK, as long as you have Strago as one of the members. You need Relm to trigger the sidequest, but not to resolve it.
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This dungeon is easy iirc, level 43 is fine.

MalcolmMasher posted...

A full party is OK, as long as you have Strago as one of the members. You need Relm to trigger the sidequest, but not to resolve it.

Ahh, nice. I was actually wondering what would have happened if I walked into Thamasa with Strago and not Relm.

I also forgot that Level 43 is still actually pretty good in this game. Playing Ebot's Rock now!
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Don't forget to bring Strago back to Thamasa after you finish it.

Aaaand done. That was a short and sweet last little dungeon with a cool concept.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Don't forget to bring Strago back to Thamasa after you finish it.

As soon as I beat Hidon, the game automatically brought Strago back to Thamasa for me. Found out Gungho was faking his injuries (never really explained why though?) and that was that. But yay, a new lore move that I'll never use, Grand Train!

So in that case, have I done pretty much every notable thing in the game? Let me know if you all can think of any possible things I missed.
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Grand Train is actually really good. If you had it the first time you faced Kefka (without any of the extra goodies Locke can get you from Narshe) it would arguably have been your best move.
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Oh hey, I encountered one last little scene I hadn't witnessed before -- the one with Duncan and Sabin where I would have gotten Bum Rush, had I not already leveled Sabin up well past 70 now. I wonder if there are any final little scenes left like this. I also taught Sabin and Celes every spell in the game! Even though I have no use for all this stuff, still feels good.
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You should at least go through the ending again now that you have everyone.
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yeah I can't really think of anything left

... will be needing another topic for final impressions, thoughts, and rankings!
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Don't forget to attempt a CES challenge at least once!
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

Don't forget to attempt a CES challenge at least once!

These sound really, really cool. Definitely going to be tempted to do a run like that in the future!
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Long as were single digits away from this thread locking, might as well say Im gonna start an FF5 playthrough.

Question: is there a patch to add the GBA dialogue to the SNES version?
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Why not just play the GBA version? I believe that's the recommended version anyways.
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GBA is the version Im playing!

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When I remember to bring my DS to work, anyway.
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Damn, I need to find my DS charger or just go buy a new SP because I want to play FFV with you guys! Been told that the SP backlight does not hold up anymore though (which is hilarious considering how big of a leap it was from the old GBA).

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think I actually might have beaten FFV Advance back in the day. I distinctly remember fighting Exdeath who is apparently the final boss. Unless you fight Exdeath multiple times through?
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Do you actually want to know if you fight Exdeath multiple times?

If you do the answer is you fight him more than once in the game.
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Yep, I did want to know and thanks, I kind of had the feeling that was the case. I was like 13 or 14 when I played it, so not super young to the point that I would have so easily forgotten beating it! Guess I never did afterall.
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