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brachy item dropppppp

Oh yeah, meant to respond to that too. I've beaten a shitton of Brachosaurs at this point, not just one, but I don't think I've gotten any big item drops. Guess I'll have to beat some more! Actually, I shouldn't overemphasize how many I've beaten; it's probably right around 10.

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I spent a looooong time on that dungeon last night. It was already the biggest dungeon in the game so far, but I made it like three times longer, exploring and grinding until my heart's content. Although there was one chest behind a single tile of spikes I could not for the life of me figure out how to get to. Will have a deep dive update later; for now, just answering some questions!

MalcolmMasher - I was reading up on Chupon and he is indeed beatable, at least. But good to know that there are other fights at the Colosseum. That is a bit weird though, because I DID try and wager all kinds of different stuff and just kept getting that damn Chupon fight. Will go back and try some more later.

GMUN - I totally noticed that and just assumed it was a typo. I actually googled that too and had it "confirmed" that it was merely a typo. But knowing that it was kind of both a typo and purposeful, just left in by accident, is really cool.

ZeldaTPLink - I am trying to find everything in the game on my own, so I will indeed skip that for now, but if I absolutely give up at some point, I'll check out what you said.

Cyko - Hmmm, I'm not sure. I'm guessing the second time I visited Gau's father, I maybe had someone in my party that could be considered the "repairman"? Mayhaps I need to visit him with some other party members. As for the inns, I stay at them from time to time, but I don't think I've stayed at them with the character I apparently should be! Haven't really witnessed any extra scenes at them. But generally, I try to sleep in the beds that are totally free. It's only recently I've cared less, since I still have 300,000 GP and that was after spending about 200,000 on almost everything I possibly could.
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Well I got a little lazier with my updates a bit into the World of Ruin, but that's also because of the open-ended nature of the way it's structured! But yeah my Celes is god tier be proud
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okay okay I thought that might be the case too, considering there hasn't been a single suspicious thing of that sort which an NPC said that hasn't led me to something good

which makes me think Gau's father still has more to do too. idk why suddenly going back to him with the Gestahl letter triggered him to say I was the repairman he'd been looking for, but okay! and then nothing happened still though. whelp.
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yikes, yes beating no here definitely reminded me where I was

but hey, to each their own
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Statzzz (as listed by the teams I just assembled for this dungeon):

Group 1

Celes: Lv. 54
Sabin: Lv. 52
Mog: Lv. 45
Umaro: Lv. 42

Group 2

Edgar: Lv. 50
Relm Lv. 49
Shadow Lv. 41
Strago: Lv. 36 (lol whoops)

Yeah, I'd been heavily leveling Celes, Sabin, Edgar, and Relm. Had them in a party together for a long while in that forest near the Veldt (where Tyrannosauruses and Brachosauruses constantly spawn) and just grinded like crazy. I don't know where GMUN went, but he'd be proud of my basically keeping Celes in my party at all times. I got in the habit early on of always using her for cure spells, so it's just kind of second nature to keep her around. Her Cure 1 heals over 1k at this point! (Though, assuming cure is based on magic power, Relm's would heal quite a bit more. I just literally always give my Gold Hairpin relic to Celes and use her to restore HP).

in other news, I was considering trying FFX one last time after finishing this game since I've enjoyed it so astoundingly much, buuuut the "Why Did They Lose?" topic spoiled Auron for me so now I have no interest again
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It is going well! Sorry, I did not want to post any more personal stuff in this topic and was kind of depressed yesterday; I tried playing some of the game and quit after like 45 minutes. But today I'm feeling much better and have been playing for hours and hours. So update time!

Well, I've just finally figured out the "proper path," I believe, that will inevitably lead me to Kefka's Tower (and if I'm wrong, please don't tell me and let me find out myself). I learned from some NPC to talk to the Emperor Gestahl portrait in Owzer's House, in Jidoor, twice. I did that and received his letter, which says to find the location of mountains in the shape of a star. I also happened to talk to Gau's father (and whoaaa, we'll get to his story) who apparently responds to the letter for some reason, but he basically just tells you the same thing. So right now, I have just found the spot on the map that the letter was referring to, landed my airship, and assembled my two teams. But here's an update of some of the cool things I have done in the many hours prior:

- Started off trying to do more at the Colosseum, as promised, and lmao that's not going to happen. Turns out that Chupon guy just sneezes you right out the way every time. This was getting old, so I even went and googled how to block sneezes and -- would you look at that -- you can't! Looks like I have to come back with some super OP character that can somehow take him out before getting sneezed.

- Went to the Auction House with almost 500k GP to buy a bunch of stuff. Acquired two Espers that were pretty damn cheap that I wish I'd gotten earlier -- Golem and ZoneSeeker -- and also an extra Hero Ring. I thiiink that was it? Oh nope, I got an extra Zephyr Cape too. After that, I just kept getting that "Imp Robot" thing spawning in the auction, so it doesn't seem like there's anything else to get there. It was right after this that I did the Emperor Gestahl portrait thing as well, since that's also in Jidoor.

- Finally went to the Veldt with just a trio and got that mischievous Gau back in the party! Holy shit, he was level 36 when I got him back, while a couple of people in my party were already past level 50 at that point, and I just could not allow that. Buuut I think I only leveled him up to like level 39 lol

- More importantly, I went and talked to his father after getting him back in the crew, and...that was brutal. I was shouting aloud "that better not be how this story ends" and... then it ended. Maaaaybe there will be more later (DON'T SPOIL EITHER WAY OKAY) but maybe not. That was rough. I now kind of like Gau, actually...and immensely hate his father.

- Repeatedly visited like every town in the game just to memorize the general layout of the map and location of the various towns, castles, and everything else. Dropped my airship on tons of the little islands to see if I could find anything cool or hidden, but so far nothing. There's an NPC who talks about that island in the northeast with the two mountain passes on it and nothing else. He mentions there being "an enemy who will swallow you up" there, and I thought this implied a quest might begin from this. I explored that place, fought the enemies he was referring to -- the Zone Eaters -- but uhh they just swallow a party member and nothing else seems to happen when you beat them. You just get said member back.

- And in general, I just leveled the heck out of everybody and taught so many spells. Celes knows every single spell from every Esper, of which it appears that I have all but six, and Sabin I think just needs to learn Pearl and Flare. Now, since we're talking leveling, I suppose it's time for some new...
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Ghost Protocol is the best, and fourth, Mission Impossible.

you ain't gonna top that one for film series, yo
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Shine, do you have some way of quickposting achievements/trophies on here? Or do you literally just type out your trophy every time you get one? Just curious. I'm assuming it's the former because they're all formatted exactly the same, and that sounds like a lot of unnecessary, immersion-ruining work if it's the latter.
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5tarscream posted...

iPod>mp3 player.

the iPod is an mp3 player. I'm guessing you mean iPod vs. Zune, which is actually a good one.

I had a fuckin' Zune back in the day
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yeah honestly, that shouldn't really count as a rivalry and Wiimote vs Playstation Move probably shouldn't either
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TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1062871856481366016

Uh-huh.

oh dear lord that Sarah Palin retweet a few tweets down
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Facebook vs. MySpace imho
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wait WHAT

you are definitely not alone in having not known this
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I feel like Jeopardy questions are often actually easy if you're brushed up on the subject matter. it's just they can and do span any possible subject matter and like, who the fuck knows that much about that many different things
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hey the current BotW 100% record is 25 hours 46 minutes

knowing how amazing speedrunners are at these things, that is goddamn hilarious
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where is the "i'm basically always horny so why the fuck would i say no" option
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Jeopardy has always been absurdly strict with its rules on those sorts of things. Like mispronunciations of answers when people very obviously knew what they were talking about have been counted incorrect.

so yeah, unless they've gotten more lenient, "Zelda" would 100% be counted wrong. it's dumb
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Breath of the Wild's second DLC had the best shrines and dungeon in the game, so long as we're not counting Hyrule Castle as a "dungeon." BotW in general has so much cool stuff, I kinda do think it's worth doing a full 136 shrine playthrough. That said, don't be an idiot like me and also do all 89 sidequests (they may have added more now). Most of those are pretty awful. I played the game for months and months and just kind of like, did a sidequest or two every time I played it. I was actively planning to not 100% them, then I eventually only had a couple left and said fuck it.

Now getting every korok seed is literally pointless after 441 since it stops expanding the inventory. I ended up with like 535 or something. So yeah, no way I'll ever get all of those.
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actually yeah, I'm being too hard on foolmo here

Just don't 40% Odyssey -- 80%ing it might be the sweet spot. I do remember the last 10 or so hours being rather mundane, especially compared to the insane highs of the first 10 or so hours.

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lots of the best and most challenging platforming stuff is post-main game

Sure but you don't need the 400+ trash moons to get to that stuff

You're right. But lots of those moons are on your way to get other things, and I would definitely defend it as a brilliant design choice -- both for the nature of the Switch and for being in the classic "accessible to anyone, hard to master" mold that Nintendo is so good at. I really enjoyed inspecting every nook and cranny of the world, personally, but I can accept the idea that it's overdone as a valid critique. The idea that those moons shouldn't exist at all? Get outta here with that.
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I mean I don't keep up with these topics so I have no idea about whether people here specifically liked the dude. He has definitely said stuff that I actually liked, but as a whole, he's little more than a grifter and an opportunist. There are also plenty of establishment-is-good types around here that would not at all surprise me if they did actually like Avenatti. But no one on the actual left cares about this dude.

like Eddv hilariously preferring him over Bernie is more evidence of that
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i see foolmo has regressed into tip top horrible opinion form once more! i haven't played A Hat in Time you may be more than right about that one

100%ing Odyssey is so goddamn good though. lots of the best and most challenging platforming stuff is post-main game
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whether the story is fabricated or not, literally nobody on the left actually likes Avenatti. sometimes getting to see an insanely oblivious Ulti quote is actually a blissful joy. Avenatti even having any prospective shot at president is entirely a sensationalist media fabrication.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Also both Sabin and Strago have ultimate moves that get unlocked if you do quests with them. Sabin's is super quick. Strago not that much. They are worth seeing though.

So kind of like Cyan's quest upgrading his Sword Tech ability to the fullest? That and the Esper seemed to be the only rewards for that quest. I was surprised that was all optional, if it indeed was, because it was so great.
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Logience posted...

Going to try and actually go to bed early tonight

you shut it
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It's all good. Hopefully Gogo is nothing like what I'm expecting. I mean, it could be some Asian chick or it could be another entirely nonsensical party member like my sasquatch and moogle friends, who knows!
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Also even though I like Odyssey more, I have 85 hours in it and 300 hours in BotW, if that says anything.
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goddammit I mentioned earlier that I consider even character names to be spoilers, but oh well

And in that case, I definitely don't think I have Bum Rush. But my boy Sabin is doing like 8k damage a hit (on enemies with bad defense) now with 110+ vigor stats, a Genji Glove, and a Hyper Wrist equipped. I also got a second Genji Glove I should probably equip on somebody one of these days.
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Odyssey is my game of the generation, Zelda is perhaps the most revolutionary open-world game I've ever played, but kind of a weak "Zelda" game in many regards, to be honest. Which, hey, might not mean much if you're already not huge on the series!

They're both masterpieces, but Odyssey is my favorite. So yeah, fuck waiting, jump into that magnificent, magical joyfest of a video game.
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Red executed Operation Ekans Eater

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Logience posted...

You're probably never gonna figure out how to re-recruit Shadow, so I'll just tell you it has something to do with the Coliseum in the northwest.

Also, while you're there, bet the Aura.

Wait, so what was supposed to be so hard about figuring out how get Shadow back, exactly? I'm guessing I did the correct thing in wagering the Striker weapon in the Colosseum. I did that first try, because an NPC there made it pretty obvious that was what to do, and voila! My only trouble was finding the damned Colosseum in the first place, hah.

But Shadow says he wants to conquer everyone there, so I'm going to take that to heart and start my next playthrough tomorrow with some good ol' one-on-one Colosseum battles.
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Pffft. Beat Doom Gaze on my second go with him...what a joke. If you're gonna make a boss with non-regenerative HP between battles, at least give him some crazy high HP stats!
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Well, that wasn't really a hint at all since the game already told me he headed to the Colosseum >_> I did not, however, know its location, so just knowing that it's in the Northwest helps. But I definitely don't want any more help!

I'll remember that Aura tidbit as well. Going to try and actually go to bed early tonight, so just going to get a little bit more time in with the game for now. Today was more of a grinding day -- tomorrow will probably be an all out plot progression day.
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Eerieka posted...

I may be wrong, since as I said I don't remember the technical aspects of this game, but you may need a 3-person or fewer party for Gau. I think he will only appear if he can insert himself directly in the party.

I think you're right. So he does still show up on the Veldt then, eh? Yeah, there was a group in the cave hideout that Shadow was injured at that said something about "him" only showing up if there are 3 or fewer people, and I assumed they were talking about Shadow and then kind of forgot all about it. Thanks for the reminder!

Also just went back to Narshe real quick to get that Moogle Charm relic. So it looks like only Mog can equip this, huh? Any other member-specific relics like this later in the game?

I also took literally zero damage in Narshe because I can one shot everything at this point lol
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Also, I just realized I have almost 400,000 GP.

dear lord
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mnkboy907 posted...

Oh, I figured Gau was a given when you mentioned doing stuff on the Veldt.

Still haven't encountered him! Actually thought he might appear in the wild, like before, while grinding on the Veldt, but that didn't seem to be the case. His father just says something about needing a repair man and that he hasn't seen one in a while. I'll figure it out soon, I'm sure!

not really missing gau though so ehhhhh

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When this dungeon is completed there's an item that appears in Doma Castle. Just letting you know so you dont miss it

Are you talking about the "inside Cyan's soul" part of Doma Castle, or afterwards?

Afterwards, in a pretty obvious area. It's not missable permanently or anything

I guess you just meant the Esper in the King's Room? Yeah, that was like the most obvious pickup ever. Thanks though! They pretty clearly show it in the scene with Cyan and his wife/kids.

Man, that was some heartwrenching stuff. Cyan has more than redeemed himself for his creepy behavior earlier, and with greater context, it does all make a lot more sense now.

Oh yeah. Oopsies. Just wanted to make sure you got my favorite summon, lol

Oh, cool to know that it's a neat summon! I've barely hardly really almost not at all actually summoned the Espers. I just checked Alexander out, and I can indeed dig it.

Another question: is the strength of Esper summons affected by the magic power of the summoner?
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Should I level up magic or vigor for Cyan's SwordTech ability? Hot damn, level 8 Sword Tech is amazing, but he's so ridiculously underleveled at this point. Everybody else is 45+ and he just hit 37.

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So how many party members does that make for you? And which ones?

Everyone but Gau, Shadow, Terra, Locke, and whoever I have yet to reveal in the final slot on the party member select screen.
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When this dungeon is completed there's an item that appears in Doma Castle. Just letting you know so you dont miss it

Are you talking about the "inside Cyan's soul" part of Doma Castle, or afterwards?

Afterwards, in a pretty obvious area. It's not missable permanently or anything

I guess you just meant the Esper in the King's Room? Yeah, that was like the most obvious pickup ever. Thanks though! They pretty clearly show it in the scene with Cyan and his wife/kids.

Man, that was some heartwrenching stuff. Cyan has more than redeemed himself for his creepy behavior earlier, and with greater context, it does all make a lot more sense now.
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Lots, but here's a great one: Iambic, formerly known as Iambic



Fantastic little post-rock/ambient record right there. Going Home and These Lights are my favorites on the album.
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When this dungeon is completed there's an item that appears in Doma Castle. Just letting you know so you dont miss it

Are you talking about the "inside Cyan's soul" part of Doma Castle, or afterwards?
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Phantom Train part 2 is epic. I feel so over-leveled though!

Just curious, when enemies "Sneeze" party members of mine off-screen, do they still gain EXP and Magic Points upon winning the battle?
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Hah, well thanks for making me feel smart, game.

I got clued in from some NPC's dialogue about sleeping in Doma Castle, and last I explored it, there was absolutely nothing there and I thought that was quite strange. So I try sleeping and nothing happens. Then I realize, I probably need Cyan.

Yup! Aww yeah, trippy dream dungeon. This is pretty neat.
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Okay, after like six battles I finally got Mog to land a hit with Dusk Requiem. I thought that was the correct dance, since it doesn't change the background or anything when he does it, but he just still always misses. It looks like the Cave In and Snare attacks are the ones that always miss for me. I finally got him to hit with some poison attack.

Also, I missed absolutely nothing in this dungeon, hah. But yay for more leveling! Glad I keep remembering to check my status and change Espers before leveling up too -- magic power for both Relm and even Celes is getting way up there.
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Umaro is actually the only character capable of attacking without magic in the Cultists's Tower.

Yessssssss,

Dusk Requiem.

Dusk Requiem has missed literally every time I've used it in this cave. Guess I'll keep trying.
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Man, I still don't know which Mog dance to use in caves.
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Oh shit. Literally seconds after I posted that, I hop in my airship and immediately go into battle -- WHAT!? It's Doom Gaze. I almost thought this game had airship battles ala Skies of Arcadia or something.

Dude was beating me pretty bad, but I was hanging in the fight until he suddenly used "Escape." Damn, I guess I'll find him in this area again. At least I know it looks like he hangs out in the skies around Gau's dad's house.

Oh, and party statz:

Celes: Lv. 43
Relm: Lv. 41
Umaro: Lv. 40
Mog: Lv. 44
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Hot damn, Umaro + the Rage Ring = ridiculousness. Been using him in my party for the last hour or so, but I'm guessing he's completely useless in the Cultist's Tower since he can't use magic, so I may take him out soon.

But yeah, I managed to do that little dungeon on the Veldt where Shadow was, but now he's apparently gone on to the Colosseum. Gotta find where that is! I've mostly just been grinding on the Veldt since then. I learned the Ice 3 spell with Celes unintentionally, thanks to having a Crystal Shield equipped, and I finally got all of Ice, Fire, and Bolt 3 spells for Relm with the Tritoch Esper. Time to hand that Esper off to Celes.

I was stubborn and kept taking on this Brachosaur in the Veldt that would use party-wide one-hit kill attacks like Ultima and annihilate me. But with my new level 3 spells, I was doing like 8k damage a hit and refused to give up until I beat him. And yay, I finally did it!

Also randomly went back to Cid's little island and found another Esper there, Palidor, that I've been using this whole time. That was actually the last thing I did last night.

Now I'm going to head back to that cave I found Shadow at real quick, before trying to find the Colosseum. I think I missed some treasure there.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

Mog's dances never miss if you use a dance that matches the environment you are in. Also once they hit once, they change the environment and don't miss anymore.

that's brilliant

damn, this game has so many cool mechanics
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Don't Stop Me Now >= Avengers Theme >>>>> Guile's Theme

Don't Stop Me Now and Avengers are both god tier in the timing department.
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Alternatively somehow rewrite it so he's the one that stops Thanos.

Man, I can totally see this being the post-credits scene, whereby some small thing Stan Lee does is revealed to have somehow set everything into motion that saves the day.

That said, might be kind of hard to film if they didn't already have that idea going in. They'd have to CG Tarkin it.
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