Poll of the Day > It is out of Luke's character to (Star Wars Spoilers)

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Take a wife and have kids.

Rey was never going to be his kid.

Why?

Is it because the Jedi religion requires its followers to maintain a chaste lifestyle?

You could probably explain his family by saying "Like father, like son", or something.
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He literally took a wife in the EU, so no, obviously it's not out of character. And, unlike other jedi, Luke wasn't raised in the conditions which encouraged a celibate lifestyle so there'd be nothing to suggest that he might not seek out a romantic partner.
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EU isnt canon so it is out of character
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Two things

1) It was the Old Jedi Order that forbid intimacy. Luke wasn't part of the Old Jedi Order and never would have known their rules since Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't teach them to him. Luke came up with his own rules for his own New Jedi Order.

2) It was only intimacy that was forbidden. Sex was not. You can have sex that isn't intimate. People literally have casual one night stands all the time. What got Anakin in trouble is that he fell in love, not that he was having sex. If he was just "friends with benefits" with Padme, then there would have been no problem at all. So, yes, if Luke did follow the rules of the Old Jedi Order, he could have had casual sex and fathered children. He just never would have gotten married.

Heck, I bet you that Obi-Wan was getting laid all the time on Tatooine. He was pretty familiar with the Mos Eisely cantina. He probably went there a lot to pick up drunken sluts for one night stands.

It's not out of character at all. He pretty clearly wanted to be balls deep in Leia. He also wasn't raised as a jedi. New episodes are worse than the prequels.
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in the old comics and novels, he married a woman named Mara Jade

someone over on the Star Wars board suggested Rey is the product of Leia and Luke and that's why she is so strong. they might have been joking though

MrMelodramatic posted...

EU isnt canon so it is out of character

The fact it isn't canon now doesn't matter when you consider the characterization that the EU used came from the movies so it's definitely in character. There's nothing to suggest he wouldn't do it.

Zikten posted...

someone over on the Star Wars board suggested Rey is the product of Leia and Luke and that's why she is so strong. they might have been joking though

While it's possible for Luke to have a kid he doesn't know about, it'd be damn hard for Leia to.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

EU isnt canon so it is out of character

There's literally nothing IN the canon that says it's out of character, though.

Can't even say "Well, the old Jedi were against relationships", because Anakin.

If Anakin training in the official Jedi ideology for 10 years didn't stop him from sticking his lightsaber into Padme's sarlacc, Luke's three days of training with Yoda wasn't likely to burn lifelong celibacy into his brain.


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The thrawn series was better then anything written/made into a movie, and did a waaay better job of defining the characters/motivations etc.

Luck has absolutely no reason not to get married/have kids etc. He doesn't even really know what caused his father to become Vader, although in theory, since he can talk to ghost yoda etc, they could have eventually told him.

In the new movies though, if Luke lived his whole life without getting any, it could explain why he was so grumpy.

But no, Rey could not be be luke or Lei's child but....she could be related. We were talking about this the other day actually....she could be......

Spoilers to Solo movie......spoiler alert......spoiler alert. You have been warned.

We are pretty sure she is Han Solo And Qi-ra's grand daughter (it's slightly possible she is their daughter directly...but time wise that doesn't work as well (she would have needed to be frozen in carbinite or something).

The theory is simple, she shares a connection with Ban/Kylo....that connection is they are either half brother and sister (Han is both of their fathers), or she is the daughter of Kyo's half brother/sister.

Before Han left the planet, Qi-ra was pregnant (but didn't know it yet...probably). Afterwards she found out, had the baby, and sold it/got rid of it etc, before going all mercenary/dark.

Time wise...the baby can't be Rey though as she would have been MUCH older (like in her 40's I think), unless something happened to suspend her aging etc. It fits perfectly though with her being the grand daughter of Han and Qi-ra).

Perhaps we will find out next summer:)
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What about admiral purple hair Reeeeeee
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EclairReturns posted...

Is it because the Jedi religion requires its followers to maintain a chaste lifestyle?

You could probably explain his family by saying "Like father, like son", or something.

"Luke father, Luke son", more Luke it.
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wolfy42 posted...

Luck has absolutely no reason not to get married/have kids etc. He doesn't even really know what caused his father to become Vader, although in theory, since he can talk to ghost yoda etc, they could have eventually told him.

I doubt they told him a lot of things. I think they want him to make a new Jedi Order that's not bound to the old rules they used to follow. Because obviously their way didn't work.

I don't think anything in either of the new movies said he didn't have someone he was romantically involved with.
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rogerskg1979 posted...

1) It was the Old Jedi Order that forbid intimacy. Luke wasn't part of the Old Jedi Order and never would have known their rules since Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't teach them to him. Luke came up with his own rules for his own New Jedi Order.

The Jedi texts in TLJ were original weren't they? I don't recall Luke ever claiming to have written them, and their destruction wouldn't have been a big deal (big enough to invoke Yoda) if it was all made up.
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Veedrock- posted...

rogerskg1979 posted...

1) It was the Old Jedi Order that forbid intimacy. Luke wasn't part of the Old Jedi Order and never would have known their rules since Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't teach them to him. Luke came up with his own rules for his own New Jedi Order.

The Jedi texts in TLJ were original weren't they? I don't recall Luke ever claiming to have written them, and their destruction wouldn't have been a big deal (big enough to invoke Yoda) if it was all made up.

Luke didn't find those texts until he was an old man though. He could have gotten married/fathered children long before then.

Something I always wondered about those texts is who entered the entries on Darth Sidious, the fall of the Old Jedi, and the rise of the Empire. There is a scene in the movie where Luke talks about those events, so I would assume he read about them in the texts. Who entered them in the texts though considering the Jedi were all dead except for Yoda and Obi-Wan? I guess Yoda must have done it before he went to Dagobah for some reason. It would explain why Yoda knows about the place and appears there as a Force ghost.

Zeus posted...

Zikten posted...

someone over on the Star Wars board suggested Rey is the product of Leia and Luke and that's why she is so strong. they might have been joking though

While it's possible for Luke to have a kid he doesn't know about, it'd be damn hard for Leia to.

Luke did a Jedi Mind trick to make Leia forget.

That's something I have thought about ever since TFA actually. Kylo Ren looks like he was modeled after Darth Revan. Maybe Rey is the "mind wipe" aspect of Revan's character. Luke wiped everyone's mind to make them forget about Rey's existence. Kylo remembers her because Luke never had a chance to wipe Kylo's mind. The memory Rey has of her parents' abandoning her could very well be a false memory implanted by Luke.

That is the failing of the Jedi, and why so many kept falling. The Jedi wanted mechanistic followers who had no humanity, had no connection to life, had no desires or will beyond what the Jedi Code taught them. They were to live, train new Jedi, then die, alone and unmourned, because to the Jedi life is meaningless; death is all that matters, as you will become one with the Force.

While it was a trash film, I can atleast agree with him that "it's time for the Jedi to end," because the Jedi teachings are horribly dehumanizing.
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To be fair, that's because the Jedi ideology is based more on Eastern philosophy and religion. The Jedi are basically Buddhist monks, and transcending your meat/mortality is a pretty common theme in those sorts of mindsets.

Especially when you realize that the emphasis on personal identity and self-actualization is very much a Western concept. Giving up your sense of self and individual awareness is a much less threatening or dehumanizing premise when you grow up in a culture that already doesn't value those things.


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The real answer is that no one got Luke's jollies going the way that Leia did.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

EU isnt canon so it is out of character

Anything EU is more canon than Force Awakens / Last Jedi.

Those two just didn't happen.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

The real answer is that no one got Luke's jollies going the way that Leia did.

Ironically, that actually makes sense in real world terms. It's pretty well established that humans tend to be strongly attracted to people who are similar to them on a genetic level, and it's only the Westermarck Effect that deters incest. But Luke and Leia were raised entirely apart, which means the Westermarck Effect wouldn't apply to them.

Not that Lucas intended that, though. It's more just that he was making everything up as he went along and didn't always think about the ramifications, because he couldn't be bothered to care about what happened in previous movies (see also, part of what made the prequels terrible).



WaffIeElite posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

EU isnt canon so it is out of character

Anything EU is more canon than Force Awakens / Last Jedi.

Those two just didn't happen.

By definition this is literally untrue.

But regardless, most of the EU was raw fecal matter, so no matter what you think of those two movies, they're still objectively better than about 99% of the EU.

And hell, the movies basically adapt one of the three good ideas the EU ever came up with anyway, since Kylo is pretty blatantly Jacen Solo, and Rey is sort of filling the place of a stand-in Jaina.


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Well in the non cannon he married Mara Jade. So no it's not out of character. But this cannon he seems like he was pre occupied with teaching young jedi and then after that fail running away to a planet far far away and living in exile.
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It's been mentioned before, but at the end of TFA when Rey finds Luke, it looks like Luke is standing in front of a grave. It was theorized that it could have been Luke's wife, who was maybe killed by the Knights of Ren.