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wwinterj25 posted...

I guess folk missed out and saying why. Huh.

I figured even someone with an IQ of 12 could figure out why for my choices, because they basically come in matched sets.


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This deep into the topic, and no one's mentioned or posted this yet? For shame!





InhumaneRaider posted...

Zangulus posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

The cut-off point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from conception.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

abortion should be 21 months

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

21 months

LMAO, I'm fucking dead. I was reading that and I knew something seemed off.

@Kungfu_Kenobi

There's nothing wrong with that. It's similar to my own stance that abortion should be legal up to the 47th trimester.


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A gun with one bullet in the chamber.


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Cleopatra, Mata Hari, and Helen of Troy.

Conversely, Jesus Christ, King Arthur, and Jack the Ripper.


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AverageBoss posted...

Morrowind is better than Oblivion and Skyrim.

Morrowind remains the only game I've ever sold back to GameStop for $1, and felt like I got the better end of the bargain.


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darkknight109 posted...

The Resistance isn't part of the New Republic, though. That's kind of *why* there's a Resistance.

Technically, yes, but it actually still has support from senators in the New Republic, and they still draw funding from the wealthy core worlds which the First Order no longer can.



darkknight109 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The math doesn't even remotely add up.

I fail to see how that in any way disproves my argument.

Because it kinds of underlines the fact that overthinking the implied finances as if it actually means anything in terms of narrative or setting is generally a flawed argument, because the people in this topic have now spent more time thinking about it than literally anyone ever involved in writing or directing a Star Wars movie ever has.

The only people who ever really obsessed over the details like that were people who wrote for the EU... but that's also part of why the EU writers were mostly insane and why most of what they wrote was hot liquid shit (and is now entirely uncanon).



darkknight109 posted...

Strongly disagree. Not in the sense that you're shortchanging the sequels (there are some obvious logical issues there), but in the sense that I think you're forgetting just how completely nonsensical the prequels were.

No, I think I remember full well how completely nonsensical the prequels were.

But I also think you're willfully ignoring how completely nonsensical the sequels (as they currently exist as a whole) are.



darkknight109 posted...

The sequels have their issues, but let's not pretend that the prequels weren't steaming dumpster fires, *especially* when it comes to logical consistency.

I would agree 100%.

Which is what makes it so absolutely tragic that The Last Jedi somehow winds up being worse.


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Lobomoon posted...

Palpatine associated Light side with being weak - doesn't mean he was right.

Yoda says the Dark Side isn't stronger, just easier and faster. But he isn't necessarily right, either.

Arguably, the only time we really see them directly matched against each other in any way, Luke gets his ass handed to him while he tries to stay Light Side, only starts to win when he embraces the Dark Side, and then pretty much wins via fluke that would only work in that precise and unique situation by refusing to give in to the Light Side.

So apparently the Dark Side is stronger than the Light Side, but nepotism is stronger than either.


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Blighboy posted...

Yeah but we've gone as far as having multiple Thors so it doesn't mean much anymore.

Yeah, but one thing being completely stupid doesn't really excuse other things being stupid.

Sure, we can get desensitized to the stupid and be more inclined to let future stupid slide, but we really shouldn't.

People being able to acquire the power of Thor is fine. The groundwork is there. But people literally walking around calling themselves Thor when they're NOT Thor is kind of stupid.


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InhumaneRaider posted...

Ending aside for 3, (which was still fixed)

It really wasn't.

It was made better than it originally was (because it was originally terrible), but it was a minor patch-job that still didn't address about half the problems in the game, and still kept (and actually doubled down) on the part of the game that everyone was mainly complaining about in the first place. And which created new logic holes because they half-assed the writing of it. And which sort of threw in a bit of a fuck you to people who complained about not being able to reject the stupid end-game choices entirely under the guise of allowing "player choice".

Between that patch and the Citadel DLC a lot of people are willing to forgive those flaws, but they're still there. The Extended Cut ending is better than it was, but it really isn't "fixed".



Nade Duck posted...

i'm so happy PO is posting more again. he gives people my opinion on things so much better than i do.

I've never really stopped, I just spend most of my time in the Geek topics these days. Sometimes I come out and trample through the countryside of PotD, though.


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AllstarSniper32 posted...

The only bad thing about the movie for me was Finn and Rose's subplot on the casino planet. Even with not liking that part, Rose was just fine.

I think the problem there is actually the same problem with Jar-Jar.

Jar-Jar was annoying, but the hate for him was definitely overblown. Because he became the focal point for all of the OTHER dissatisfaction with the movie. People who on some subconscious level understood the movie was shit but couldn't necessarily articulate all of the reasons why tended to lock on to either Jar-Jar or Anakin as the most blatant problems. Even if you took them both out of the movie, it would still have a ton of flaws... but the vast majority of complaints you'll hear about it is how Jar-Jar sucks or how Jake Lloyd is terrible.

So in that sense, the massive backlash against Rose isn't necessarily because her character is bad (though it is), or because her actress doesn't do a very good job (though she doesn't). It's because she's basically become the focal point for ALL hate for the movie, regardless of the actual reason. She's the avatar of everything wrong with the movie, a convenient target for all the visceral hate for a movie that fails on multiple levels. So the vast majority of complaints about Last Jedi get boiled down to "Rose sucks" or "that Leia scene is stupid", when those are only a tiny fraction of the problems with the movie.

Phantom Menace actually has one other thing in common with Last Jedi. Jake Lloyd has admitted that he was so bullied over his role and how much people hated him in it that he stopped acting entirely and he hates Star Wars now. He's pretty strong evidence that all of the hate directed at Rose's actress isn't just misogyny or racism (even if it's often expressed that way). She's just eating the same shit sandwich that Jake Lloyd got fed 20 years ago, because she was cast in a major role in a bad movie that has an incredibly visceral, emotional effect on a ton of people because of what it represents to them.



darkknight109 posted...

the Empire has billions more in resources (source: they built a moon-sized battlestation that was an order of magnitude larger than the entire rebel fleet at its peak; then they built a second, even bigger one when the first one blew up).

This argument kind of falls down when you realize that the First Order (which only has a fraction of the resources the Empire did) somehow manages to build a superweapon far more massive and powerful than the Death Star ever was, while the Resistance (which is part of the New Republic and presumably has access to far more resources than the Rebellion ever did at any point in its existence) apparently can't afford to buy fuel. The math doesn't even remotely add up.

Which is actually another problem with the new movies to some degree - they want to recapture the feeling of the original movies where the Rebellion were the underdogs, yet apparently couldn't come up with a clever way to do so with the assumption that the Empire was overthrown and the New Republic exists, so they half-assed the entire concept and went with a paper-thin scenario that disintegrates the second you actually start to think about it.

It's a VERY sad day when the logic of the prequels actually holds together better than the sequels, but that's the world we live in. The sequels tend to hide this by going for a more visceral, emotional response than the prequels did, and by relying on the power of nostalgia into fooling us into thinking it's better than it actually is, but the moment you actually start to think about it everything falls apart like a house of cards.


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People who can't stop obsessing about either.


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Mead posted...

LeetCheet posted...

Wasn't Captain Marvel originally a dude or something as well?

There have been several versions

Its more of a mantle at this point

Which is ironic, because the dude's name was literally Mar-Vell.

It's like if army Captain John Smith died, and then his replacement started calling himself Captain Johnsmith.

Actually, on second thought, I'd probably read that.


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TES_Nut posted...

Enjoy it while it lasts. Riri Wiliams and captain falcon America are coming sooner or later and the internet is going to shit itself.

Potentially not - both tanked kind of hard in the comics, and Marvel will bank off the surprise success of Black Panther for at least a few more films. That'll hold them off until they decide to push a solo Nick Fury flashback adventure or bring Luke Cage into the MCU. Or do a Blade reboot. If anything, we're just going to get Winter Soldier as new Cap the way it happened in the comics and the way they've wanted to almost from the first movie.

Odds are we'll never see Riri in the MCU, because she has the misfortune of being TWO minorities, which is usually one too many when it comes to trying to diversity cast a mainstream blockbuster (Black? Yes. Woman? Sure. Black woman? Nuh-uh, not a main character in MY movie!).

That same logic probably played a role in why we got Carol Danvers (ie, the worst Captain Marvel ever), as opposed to sassy black lady Monica Rambeau Captain Marvel (who is apparently relegated to supporting cast as a sort of easter egg in this movie) or magic space lesbian Captain Marvel. Carol's a female so that helps get people off their back for the whole "DC HAD A WONDER WOMAN MOVIE WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY MOVIES WITH FEMALE LEADS?!" deal, but she's also dishwater bland and white as the driven snow, so she's not going to alienate TOO many potential audience members.

Honestly, if Marvel ever gives us an MCU ethnic female lead at all any time soon, it's almost certainly going to be Ms. Marvel, because people actually LIKE her. But that might depend entirely on how this movie does. It's easier to spin Kamala off as separate movie if this one is huge, less so if this one tanks.



...though I still hope the mainstream press somehow pick up on the time that Carol had a time-baby raped into her, which then grew up to be the guy who raped her in the first place, and then the two of them went off to have consensual sex together and all the Avengers were totally cool with it until it turned out later that it was all mind-control and totally 112% rape the entire time. Because it would be funny to see how the usual gender politics types would react to that.

Then again, the whole "Hank Pym is a wife-beater who slapped Janet around" meme didn't really come out when Ant-Man was released, so I'm assuming Carol's dirty laundry will probably fly under the radar as well.


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InfestedAdam posted...

A quick search on Google suggest her powers came from her DNA merging with a Kree? Can any comic guru explain why it was special in her case and why something as simple as this lead to her obtaining her powers and being so powerful?

In the comics it was the result of an accident involving a Kree superweapon that blew up, and the combination of her hybridized DNA and the explosion yadayadayada super powers that can't be replicated, etc etc.

The trailer also makes it look like they boosted her powers to their secondary level (which didn't happen in the comics for like 12 years), as part of their push to market her as THE MOST POWERFUL HERO EVARZ because ladyparts.

Why is the movie version so powerful? Ehh. From what we see a Kree blood transfusion is at least part of it, though it's hard to say what else they do to her. Though I still suspect there being some technobabble about how her having a hybrid of human and Kree DNA somehow made her more powerful than all of the other full Kree who get exposed to it, because half-breeds somehow being more than the sum of their parts is a pretty common trope in comics (it's why Namor basically had a mermaid mom and a sailor dad yet somehow came out stronger than any human or Atlantean AND able to fly because fuck it, comics).


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Mead posted...

Andromeda was a better game than 2 or 3.

We've been getting along recently, why must you make me hate you and everything you stand for again?


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AllstarSniper32 posted...

It may be weird, but I like the style of these but dislike most of the plots of them.

Could it be because Sei Shoujo seems to have a weird obsession with terminally passive male protagonists essentially getting raped and tortured by incredibly dominant hardcore bitch women, usually resulting in terribly depressing endings, and often involving way too much piss and scat scenes along the way, getting worse and worse with every successive release?

Because yeah, sarcasm aside, that's a huge drawback of his work in spite of the fact that his art style is otherwise relatively aesthetically pleasing. If he'd get some therapy and draw some vanilla stuff it'd probably be a lot better.


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I prefer the audio fidelity of a 4-track.


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Zangulus posted...

Hell, most mass effect fans dont even think the series is that good. Youre not special.

Most of us just dislike parts of the last game. Sure, some of us feel like the entire last game was bad, and a few hated the second game as well as the third, and then there's the old diehards who feel like BioWare never should have stopped making Baldur's Gate and KotOR games in the first place. But a majority of Mass Effect fans are pretty content with most everything right up to the last 20 minutes or so of ME3. Sure, the earlier parts of the game have their flaws as well, but most of them are ignorable and are balanced out by some awesome moments, so it's really only the final dickpunch that sort of inspires you to go back and reevaluate the entire rest of the game/franchise looking for things to hate like a bitter ex retroactively deconstructing your entire relationship.

Most of agree that Andromeda was liquid dog shit, though.


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Lokarin posted...

But then they risk getting defellowshipped

Again, depends on the context.

They're not all that far off from Catholics in that regard. Catholics aren't supposed to get divorced either, and if you do you can catch flack from other Catholics... but there are also multiple acceptable scenarios under which separation is allowed without censure. If anything, Catholics are actually stricter about it than Jehovah's Witnesses are - and Catholics have something like a 30% divorce rate for purely Catholic+Catholic marriages (and Catholic+something else have even higher odds of resulting in divorce).

And in both cases, even if you do "sin" by fragrantly committing a sin of frivolously getting married and throwing it away without just cause, there are multiple avenues to basically say "Sorry, my bad, I still want to be part of the secret club though" and be absolved of it.


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Unbridled9 posted...

This would be like if I complained about Rey being able to use the Force untrained, then if someone pointed out that Anakin was able to pilot a pod-racer - a feat no other human, Force-sensitive or no, had ever accomplished - with no formal training, I responded "Yeah, well, now you're just excusing the plot and you're not the director, so it doesn't count."

Anakin was fortold by prophecy to be the chosen one. He had no clue how to utilize the force and basically operated on instinct. He couldn't even do a basic force push until after joining the order. Rei pulled off things like mind trickery when just a short while ago she didn't even know the Force was a real thing. So no. They aren't the same at all.

It's not that I can't accept someone figuring out the force on their own. It's that I can't accept someone basically having just figured out that computers aren't demon boxes with imps slapping the words up on the screen suddenly turning into a master hacker overnight.

It's always sort of been part of the franchise right from A New Hope that The Force tends to manifest in untrained people as pure instinct or luck. The greater the Force potential in someone, the more likely they are to have those traits. This is why Luke was such a great pilot (by his own boasting) before he ever heard of the Force, and why Obi-Wan spends most of the movie telling him to stop thinking and start feeling. It's also why it's been repeatedly implied that Han has a fair amount of Force potential (he's a great pilot and damned lucky), which in turn is why his and Leia's kid(s) wound up being powerful Force users - they were getting it from both sides of the family.

But we're also shown that the Force is rarely anything MORE than lucky "coincidence" or instinctive skill without training. Luke gets a bit of training and can barely move his lightsaber, then he gets more and finally starts to be able to do kewl trickz. Yes, that training seems to take all of 20 minutes because Lucas kind of sucks at expressing the passage of time in a concise manner, but it DID happen.

Whereas Rey starts having visions the moment she touches a lightsaber, blocks Kylo's attempt to read her mind, basically starts trying to influence him, telekinesises the lightsaber into her hands, and otherwise does almost every trick Luke ever learns without a single second of teaching. It's mainly the result of lazy/sloppy scripting and a much faster pace geared to people with way shorter attention spans (as opposed to BLATANT SJW AGENDA INFECTING MAH STAR WARS, BY GOD!), but it does lay most of the groundwork for the "WOMG REY IS A MARY SUE!" complaints. She basically IS the bestest Force user EVAR in the movies as they currently stand. Better than the literal Chosen One.

And then she proceeds to do mostly nothing of substance as the entire plot just sort of happens around her. Very little happens in the two movies that actually requires her to actively be there and doing things, as opposed to being something that would have happened even if she'd be left behind on Jakku. Which ironically makes complaints about her character stronger ("Why emphasize how awesome and special she is if she doesn't actually wind up DOING anything?"). At least Luke got to directly blow up a Death Star even at his whiniest, and Anakin got to bone Padme and murder a bunch of kids.


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That movie was dead to me the moment they decided to try and adapt the original anime/manga and not Stand Alone Complex.


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PMarth2002 posted...

Star trek. While I prefer fantasy to sci-fi, most fantasy settings would suck to live in. Star trek is pretty close to a Utopia.

At least until Section 31 shows up and murders your family, and then you get assimilated by the Borg.


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Entity13 posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Sounds like Bible Black to me.

Are you sure? I could have sworn it was Discipline.

Nah, it was Starless.


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Lokarin posted...

Ya, by that logic the lowest divorce rates belong to the Jehova's Witnesses.... since the only way to get a divorce is to be murdered.

Technically not true.

They CAN get divorced, they just tend to adhere to older standards of what justifies it, and not the modern "Ehh, fuck it, I'm bored - let's get divorced" model.


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Zeus posted...

The 2099-verse was still awesome, though. And at least Doom had a good run there, unlike his treatment in Ultimates.

SOME of the 2099 universe was awesome. Some... was not.

I still have all of the number 1 issues somewhere. Ravage 2099 was kind of crap, and mostly just sold on virtue of being the latest character Stan Lee had created (at the time).

And Punisher 2099 was so terrible it sort of came out the other side into being brilliant. Which is why it sort of became memetic in online comic fan circles.

http://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Punisher-2099-interior-art.jpg

Doom 2099 was an interesting concept, but I don't think it ever really lived up to its potential.



mooreandrew58 posted...

But like some have said with marvel the DC American government is shown to be quite corrupt/shady so it fits.

Ehh, the DC government is rarely all that evil or corrupt, with the minor exceptions of the parts that sponsor stuff like Checkmate or the Suicide Squad.

Marvel's the one where pretty much every branch, department, and secret division is corrupt as hell and probably doing experiments on people or running black ops assassination programs.

In a way, it reflects the nature of the citizens in both universes (something that has actually been brought up in cross-company crossovers). The average human on DC Earth tends to be somewhat idealistic, optimistic, and trusting of most heroes (and willing to give reformed villains a chance to prove themselves), whereas in Marvel the average citizen is a cynical bastard, distrusts everything and everyone, tends towards pessimism, is jaded as fuck about super-hero property damage, and assumes that 90% of heroes are probably secretly bad (doubly so if you're a mutant or Spider-Man).

Or to paraphrase TV Tropes, in the DC universe "Rousseau Was Right", but in Marvel Rousseau was very, very wrong.



Entity13 posted...

So, with the second Captain Marvel trailer out now, and the Avengers 4 trailer supposing to be out Wednesday, I am recognizing that now would be the time to start avoiding the internet if you gave a damn about spoilers.

I think the best time to start avoiding spoilers would have been in the 1970s.

I can probably tell you 90% of the plot of the movie right now, based on knowing Ms. Marvel as a character and knowing who the alien races involved are.


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Mover_of_Zigs posted...

Keystone Kapers

Fuck yeah.

All the best 2600 games were made by Activision.

A shame that company died 30 years ago, and was replaced by a psychopath wearing its corpse face like a mask.

Though maybe fitting that the same thing happened to Atari itself. The two companies twinned from birth to death like karmic siblings.


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Hentai.


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StoneRevolver posted...

Wisdom and knowledge aren't the same thing.

I know, but I'll settle for insane genius and the power to shatter mountains over enlightenment.


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Zeus posted...

idk, maybe President Doom?

*facepalm* I wonder how many more signs we need that it is time to pull the plug on (non-indie) comic books as a medium?

At least that only happened in a parallel future universe in 2099.

Lex Luthor has been President multiple times in the mainline DC universe, though.


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ernieforss posted...

I didn't like it because it didn't feel like anyone grew as a person. but maybe in the overarching story it's great. we just got to wait and see what happens.

The problem is there IS no overarching story. Rian Johnson openly admitted that when he took the job they didn't give him any directives that "Plot Point A has to pay off in such-a-such way, Plot Point B needs to be set up for the next movie, etc.". And that when he asked about that sort of thing, they just kind of shrugged and said "Ehh, do whatever."

Episode VII built a house of cards out of nostalgia and potential future plot points, and then Episode VIII burned the entire thing down because no one had any idea how anything was supposed to pay off. So now Episode IX is pure after-the-fact damage control where they're going to try and cobble a plausible narrative out of the ashes and hope they don't torpedo the lucrative Star Wars merch revenue.


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You are in my control.

Look at me!

I am the sum of all evils.

Look carefully.

My power infests all times... all galaxies... all dimensions.


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Lokarin posted...

How come there no trains in space?

Like, in fiction

Because "Space is an Ocean".

But there's at least a few space trains. Which are occasionally Space Orient Expresses.


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man101 posted...

"How about we name it after a character who slowly lost his mind because he couldn't cope after leaving home and missing his mom and eventually murdered a lot of children became the intimidating figurehead of a fascist space empire?"

On the plus side, he DID kill Space Hitler (eventually), and he looked really badass in a black helmet and cape.


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Which version of the Triforces are we talking, here?

Because, in the old canon, the Triforce of Courage was pretty shit, and the Triforce of Power turned you into a pig-man.

If that's not a thing, I'd probably take Power, though. I've already had the Triforce of Smart Ass Book Learnin' for like 25 years now.


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Mead posted...

at least it gave us porgs

if you hate porgs then you are bad

It also gave us Luke sucking off a space cow for his blue milk fix. I call it a wash.


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Jen0125 posted...

These aren't even comparable. You don't generally lock a child in their room to ground them. You just tell them to sit in there. If you're really holding an adult hostage that is kidnapping.

So you're saying that your idea of being grounded is being told to just stay in your room, but if you just randomly decide to wander out wherever you feel like going, up to and including leaving the house, then parents should take absolutely no action to react to you in any way, or punish you for defying your previous punishment? And that parents have zero right to ever impede or restrict their children's rights to go wherever they choose?

Or would you implicitly accept that parents have the right to restrict the behaviors and movement for their own good? Because doing so absolutely falls into the category for forced coercion if you attempt to do the exact same thing to an adult. Even grabbing a child as he attempts to run directly into traffic could technically count as an assault charge if you do it to an adult and they object to your doing so.

By the logic of your own flawed analogy, we literally cannot apply different standards to adults and children, and what would be a crime when applied to adults is by definition a crime when applied to children.

It's almost as if we treat children like children, and not just short adults. What an amazing concept!



Jen0125 posted...

If you are actually not allowing your child to ever leave the house or you're locking them in their room for prolonged periods of time that can be abusive.

Nearly every parenting behavior ever practiced by humans - even ones parents today think are perfectly acceptable and enlightened - can be abusive if practiced to excess. But having the potential for abuse doesn't automatically equate to being abuse. That's where you start falling into the slippery slope fallacy.

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Mead posted...

The movie is like 15% stupid shit and 85% pretty entertaining

I personally feel like it is better than all three of the prequels but not any other Star Wars film

If you cut out literally everything that isn't Rey, Kylo, or Luke, you could salvage a good film out of it.

As is, I'd rather watch the prequels. And I hate that the movie is so terrible that it makes me say that.


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shipwreckers posted...

You can explain intellectually to an adult that they shouldn't run into a busy street. You can't explain that intellectually to a 2 year old (and even if you could, they'd forget everything you said in 5 minutes).

It's psychologically proven that children's brains don't work the same way adult brains do. Most children are literally incapable of abstract thinking until around 12 or so, most younger children lack the capacity for direct empathy (ie, seeing the world through someone else's eyes), and so on.

The entire point of developmental psychology as a field is breaking down exactly how the brain functions at any given time and reacting to it appropriately as opposed to assuming "one size fits all" rules for psycho-social behavior.


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Jen0125 posted...

Yes, it's abuse. And it's also assault. If you can get arrested for hitting an adult why would it be appropriate to hit a child?

If confining an adult to a room against their will gets you arrested for "kidnapping" or "holding someone hostage", how can it possibly be appropriate to ground a child?


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The Space Age.


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Judgmenl posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Except he looks like a dragon Ball z reject. I like Chrono trigger. Never cared for chrono's design

My god.
Toriyama
Does
The
Artwork
For
Dragon Ball
And
Dragon Quest
And
Chrono Trigger too
That's why they look similar.
Toriyama was basically the prime reason Anime became popular in the west.

mooreandrew58 posted...

And yes I know who the artist is

IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE REPLIED TO YOU BEFORE YOU POSTED!

Is he psychic?

IS HE THE CHOSEN ONE?!

Could you simply have finished reading the post you literally quoted to counter your own complaint before you even hate-typed it out in a whiny rage?

Who can answer these mysterious questions?! Will we ever know the answers?


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DrCidd posted...

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

He doesn't even have a fucking character. He's a complete blank slate. The only time he has been a character is in Wind Waker yet people don't even remember his story in it or what makes it so important to his character.

This is a popularity contest. Not a "who has the most depth of character" or "who has the best story" contest. Argument invalid.

Argument valid, because what he's essentially saying is that a character with NO character shouldn't BE that popular in the first place.

You can disagree with that statement, but it's not an inherently flawed statement to make in the first place.


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Happy Hanukkah.


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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

Is it just misogynists who think Rey, Rose, and Holdo should stay at home vacuuming?

Yes, absolutely. Just like the only people who actually liked it are castrated SJW cucks.

Amazingly enough, there isn't a single normal person with justified opinions anywhere in the discussion at all. Apparently none of those people saw the movie, or they just thought it was meh and don't feel the need to talk about it.


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wwinterj25 posted...

Mead posted...

Is the parent angry when spanking them?

I'd imagine so.

I think the point of the question was more "Are you hitting the child with the intent to discipline, or are you hitting the child to vent your own frustration?"

Because one of those is a lot more "abuse" than the other.


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It's not acceptable until there's blood in the streets and everything is on fire.


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WhiskeyDisk posted...

I certainly can't argue with that logic since Parker could have given him a "web fluid shotgun" and a warehouse full of web cartridges 30 years ago. I hear now in modern continuity that Castle actually has the War Machine suit...like seriously, wtf? Who made that call?

Is that any more insane than the time when he was Frankenstein, though?

Or when he died, and was resurrected by angels and given magic guns to fight against demons?



WhiskeyDisk posted...

We also apparently have Venom: Agent of SHIELD

That actually makes more sense in context, though. Like, it isn't Eddie Brock Venom (though even he went through a long period of being a "hero" more than a Spider-Man villain), it's Flash Thompson post-military career wearing the symbiote, but it's also being drugged to the gills to keep it controllable. So it's a more trustworthy wearer with a more subdued suit. And he spends like half his time in space anyway.

At that point, it fits in pretty well with the premise that the government in Marvel is corrupt as fuck, and more than willing to do weird experiments on aliens or mutants or other super-powered beings, or exploit them and their powers for black ops purposes.

In terms of ethics, it's not even as bad as when Tony Stark was putting super heroes into an extra-dimensional prison simply for refusing to register their secret identities with the government, or when he and Reed Richards made a psychotic clone of Thor to enforce those rules without Thor's permission or knowledge, and then it straight up killed Bill Foster (something for which no one has ever been prosecuted, btw).


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WhiskeyDisk posted...

I'm not saying Wolverine is a saint or anything, but as a mutant he can afford to practically ignore most mooks as he goes. I'm sure Logan's.kills are disproportionately worse and more powerful mutants as a matter of necessity.

Ironically, most of Wolverine's actual kills in the early comics (as opposed to later retcons and flashbacks) were completely ordinary humans.

The first kill ever was off-panel, and he basically ganked a total mook (while Storm and Nightcrawler were both literally right next to him, and fully capable of taking the dude down themselves).

The second major "Holy shit, this dude kills people!" moment came when he straight up stabbed three random human mooks working for the Hellfire Club to death. At least until Jim Shooter got pissy about Wolverine killing people and had them reveal later that no, they were all perfectly healthy and okay with cyborg parts now. And he murdered the absolute FUCK out of a ton of Japanese criminals and crime bosses when he was in Japan and Madripoor, when he was basically in his "I AM A MODERN SAMURAI" mode.

I think the first time he really used killing force on a powerful mutant or superbeing solely because they WERE powerful was when he stabbed Rachel Summers (his friend and teammate at the time) in the gut with zero forewarning because he disagreed with her stance that they should kill Selene (the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club at the time) because, in his own words, she had the power of the Phoenix, so had to do everything in her power to stay on the straight and narrow so she wouldn't go crazy the way Jean Grey did. And she's actually called him out on the hypocrisy of it a couple times since then.



WhiskeyDisk posted...

Castle on the other hand as a more or less vanilla human with training has to put two in the chest and one in the head of literally every low level thug that stands in his way because he can't afford to get shot the way Logan can and continue to function.

There WAS a period where he actually used "mercy bullets" that incapacitated people, and didn't straight-up kill them. And he's in a universe were it would be pathetically easy for him to acquire tech that can subdue or stun rather than kill. Hell, he could probably straight up ask Spider-Man to use his connections to get someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards to build him stuff like that if he was interested in taking prisoners.

Frank doesn't kill because he needs to kill. He kills because he wants to kill. Because, much like with Batman, every single criminal he deals with is just revenge for the one crime he couldn't prevent. He's basically a broken man who can't cope with his grief venting his frustrations against the world - and the only reason he isn't the subject of a massive manhunt is because there are just enough police and officials (and citizens) in the incredibly corrupt Marvel universe who agree with his methods that no one really goes looking for him as long as he just sticks to killing street criminals.


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Mead posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's always amusing to see how the social hierarchy works, and which public figures the Internet immediately leaps to defend en masse and which ones they immediately jump on the condemnation train for, based solely on whether or not they like that person in the first place.

Its almost like context fucking matters

Yes, but all too often the only context that matters is "I like this first guy so fuck you for wrongfully accusing him! Also, I hate that second guy so I hope he goes to prison for life and then burns in hell!"

The Internet rarely bothers to look into any of the details of any given case before making a judgment and then screaming about it. Usually they get as far as hearing that Person A accused Person B of thing, decide whether or not they like Person B, and then start sharpening the pitchforks to start hunting down either the accuser or accused.


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It's always amusing to see how the social hierarchy works, and which public figures the Internet immediately leaps to defend en masse and which ones they immediately jump on the condemnation train for, based solely on whether or not they like that person in the first place.


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