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Can we get an updated Ganked list?

Second to last voter IS the real hammerer since it appears that the actually hammerer is passive.

Lopens really thrown every theory out and swears they all fit

MZero posted...

No one

Lopen is trying to claim ctes was scum and his flip is lie

oh I get it. he's scum but flips town miller.

that's effing stupid.

next

and who is it we bel8eve is adeath Miller.

What exactly is a death miller?

Lopen posted...

He died targeting SOMEONE.

pick one. alternating sk or corrik targeted scum.

can't be both.

And now I'm off to bed.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I'm safe in assuming me/Stu/Red/Ninja are all killing Lopen today, correct? I don't have to worry about anything stupid happening when I'm at work tomorrow? Because I need to go to sleep early. I am mentally and physically just done right now.

shy of Mzero walking in, pulling off a mask and saying he's Town All knowing prophet and has a full player list and their roles, I'd say lopen is dead.

honestly I could make sense of a scum hammerer. but a 3rd party hammerer sk seems rough.

Lopen posted...

He said if you're right and that broken role exists in the setup no harm in losing to me that seems like humoring I'm right

ok. in order to discuss any hypothetical situation you need to humor an argument.

Still doesn't mean what you think it means.

Hey Ulti. who'd you BG

Lopen posted...

Ulti humoring that I'm right it's a perspective slip by the way

discussing hypotheticals you've opened up is not humoring you are right. Nor does it mean anything for alignment.

I disagree with this comment and believe that it's actually a projection of your own non town alignment.

##unvote

wohhh there... I want him dead but I don't want to end that early.

Question for all 5 of you or at least those that have played thus game. Is it possible we are dealing with 3 / 1 / 1 / 1. and there are 2 3rd parties.

Everyone was speaking about Roshan even before Corriks flip. is it possible there is another flavor that could be a 3rd party?

we don't necessarily know what that means though

I'm just trying to find our protection in this role madness game besides 1 self preserved role.

Ulti, claimed BG would be the only thing close to it.

Or are we to believe that only protection comes from items.

Lopen posted...

Ulti is scum. It's tough being the smartest one in the room but oh well

Present the case, please.

Lopen posted...

It's 4/1/1

I think Roshan kills every other day so if we get the scum today this is very winnable

you also "thought" spending 2 days ok corriks thoughts was smart mafia, so there's that.

Lopen posted...

Poppy Mzero red town
Ulti scum
Sbell rosh

This I'm sure of

so still a toss up where that final player lands then? could be town... could be scum...

Lopen are you saying it's 4 / 1 / 1 right now or are you tossing ulti under the bus and it's 3 / 2 / 1.

Also still not Roshan.

if I hear Lopen talk about hints 1 more time.

red13n posted...

##vote: Lopen

Also I can vote now.

was this something you absolutely couldn't do previously? and are you still am auto hammer?

Only scum pretypes opening posts and then telegraphs like they didn't read the flips first.

I refuse to believe that your results were falsified two days in a row and you weren't notified in any way based on your role.

##vote: Lopen

UltimaterializerX posted...

ctes, if you are town, a 1:1 trade to kill scum is fine. Stop melting down.

What was your claim again? Just miller watcher, right?

but is there any world where we lynch lopen after a scum ctes flip?

You just said you were paranoid about lopen bussing whole team. but are also saying a 1 for 1 is fine.

curious... has red mentioned anything about the shop yet?

So you are 100% ok with 3 millers and 2 watchers.

Ctes.

who is the 2 scum and the 3rd party?

ctesjbuvf posted...

If you think I'm mafia claiming miller, then try to consider a scum chat where everyone agrees on that then. If you can't make sense of that, then you're getting there again.

Ehh, scum team has been Sultan and hb so far and they were both lynch leaders day 1. I'm not putting that much stock into a well oiled plan. (no offense to either Sultan or HB or you for that matter)

Lopen posted...

More directly. It means I got a PM for my role where I was told no one visited me and Ctes with his role sent a PM to the host to watch me.

So no there is no possible world where we are both town. Anyone vaguely humoring that possibility is not town aligned. Scum Ulti and Rosh Sbell discussing it makes a lot of sense.

that's a bit much Lopen. stifiling any conversation while sorting through the muck is unbecoming.

I'm literally saying Ctes makes the most sense as scum here. don't throw shade for anyone trying to dot the I and cross the T

Unfortunately Lopen is right.

Scum breadcrumbs they are miller.

Town poorly breadcrumbs who they target at night. >_>

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have to ask in case I die - is there any possible world where ctes and Lopen are both town?

That's what I'm trying to angle here. that means 3 millers, 2 watchers, no real cops... sounds like madness to me.

And after 2 people already claimed Miller it's a safe assumption there IS a legit cop in the game. and if you had opened the game planning to claim Miller as your scum strategy you would only be empowered to do so after seeing 2 other millers you KNOW are real (since you are scum in this scenario and have no reason to believe any town claim is a lie) and now you know a cop exists, based on all of this.

ctesjbuvf posted...

We've been through this SBell, I did not want to risk having to claim town power right away so I breadcrumbed it instead.

you didn't though.

you breadcrumbed scanning guilty. you didn't breadcrumb watcher.

I will say this though.

2 claimed millers and your first post you type a cryptic IM MILLER post...

That's big fake claim setup and after 2 claimed your first post of the day should have been "Uh, fuck you guys, MILLER here and I'm not having this shit."

Lopen posted...

I think you're oversimplifying my game if you think I've been doing that all game

Sultan wasn't doing that
I drove this mass claim, and caught Ctes with it, which wasn't doing that

It's easy to paint this game as me rambling about Corrik the whole time because pushing for anyone that wasn't hb was the one time I've been wrong, but it's looking like I will have caught 3/4 scum + Roshan by the time the game is done.

Of course, more has been done. But you were highly focused on 3rd party to start the game and based atleast 2 topics around Corrik.

Devils advocating over here.

changmas posted...

because ctes role shouldn't ever exist with mine also

Do you think that duplicate powers can't exist in a low power game like this one? Items exist giving people duplicate powers.

We have 3 claimed millers and no legit cop. and to make cop an upgrade power that takes 3 game days to even afford is just bad. so that means "Miller" is just a red herring.

I mean lopen has spent the entire game basing all of his theories on the words of a dead player that cannot clarify what he was doing or meant

Lopens entire design has been to lead us based on faith in the unknown.

Why is it so much easier to believe lopen over ctes for you chang?

For the record I think I lynch Lopen first here but that's mostly based on deep rooted paranoia.

I approve of mzero being the 4th vote to obtain the big big monies

Corrik was a bit of a cop.

Possible he upgraded to someone who wouldn't die if he targeted scum and would learn of allignment?

Ctes - I visited Lopen

Lopen - No one visited me

Ctes - I felt good about after the Sultan flip. however due to process of elimination has ended up lower on the list.

Lopen - wouldn't be outside of his wheel house to bury his own team to get a win. Has spent the entire game 3rd party obsessed.

Ulti, we lynch scum today and you can absolutely lynch me tomorrow if it'll satisfy your curiosity.

chang.

I'm not doubting you.

but have you considered all possible worlds where you can both exist and lopen is scum?

not caught up. Lea never claimed thief.

Role Madness... where we literally have to rely on playing mafia because the madness part is that the roles do nothing.

And Roshan can hammer? or thats a toss up at this point.

ctesjbuvf posted...

My first post of the game says I'm miller if you read the first letter of every sentence lol.

Well thats true.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I've hinted towards knowing more and that I knew SBell didn't scan me.

Did you say I didn't scan you? I dont remember seeing that but could have glossed over it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lopen was my best guess for a night kill was the reason.

But why?

Literally no one was buying what he was selling.

So 1 more vote and Red Hammers?