Lurker > MariaTaylor

I have spent a solid week trying to figure out if JJ Abrams knew that the power to heal the dead was explained to us as a Sith power, was the crux of the entire prequel trilogy and anakin's transformation into darth vader. like maybe he was intentionally making Rey use this ability to make some kind of point. or was this just a total coincidence as a result of him not caring about star wars


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

just had a scare where I opened my file where I ranked everything. for some reason I entered like 100 blank spaces after 'stardew valley rankings' and before the first entry on the list... so I thought that I had somehow deleted it and was like 'fuck that, not ranking all of them again.'

thankfully it was just a result of me mashing the enter button a bunch of times every time I moved a character up or down on the list.

- 38 -


Alex

Down goes the first bachelor. The guy is kinda full of himself, and while he does sort of apologize in some later scenes and claim to change... he continues to be pretty self centered. I have had for a while now a good ranking in my head of which spouses behave more or less selfish after you marry them, and this guy was always near the absolute bottom.

Funny enough, the new 14 heart events mostly lined up in level of selfishness along with how I felt about each of the characters. So I don't think I was too far off the mark.

Alex's new event is, almost certainly the most selfish one. He asks you to help him make a 'gift,' then uses it to buy himself a TV that he can install at the saloon so he can go hang out with the guys. Uh, okay then. I don't think I need to explain why him doing the classic trope of hanging out with the guys and ignoring his spouse is a bad thing, and him calling it a gift is laughable.

But it gets worse.

In the same scene where you meet them at the saloon for the first time he literally talks about how much he regrets not being a professional gridball player, but being married to you is still nice. Yeesh. That is like one of the least romantic things I have ever heard that was actually trying to be romantic.

So to summarize:
Offers you a gift.
The gift is actually for himself and his friends.
The gift is him finding something to do that he can use as an excuse to get away from you.
He spends the time thinking about how he wishes he could've been a pro gridball player instead.
Oh, but uh, being married to you is fine I guess.

Easily the worst marriage candidate. The big thing that sets Alex apart from Pam or Clint is that you can still be friends with him and not be on the receiving end of his bad behavior. You just need to not date him, and you wouldn't want any of your friends to date him, and he's not a terrible guy.

- 37 -


Evelyn

Alex's grandmother ranks closely to him for totally different reasons. Let's face it, of all the 'she's boring and I had nothing to say' characters she is the most boring. That's about it. She sends you cookies sometimes, which is cool, but most of the time they just end up occupying space in one of my item chests and causing more clutter. And like almost every line of seasonal dialogue she has is about cookies. Get a god damn personality, lady.

Some of her lines about her and George at the festivals when they were younger are kinda interesting though, I will give her that.

- 36 -


Elliot

And down goes another bachelor. Yeahh.... it's no secret that ConcernedApe is a bit better at making the female marriage candidates more appealing than the male ones.

This guy is annoying to find and befriend. He doesn't have any immediately obvious gifts that you can easily pick up off of the ground to give to him, except shells, which don't always spawn. He wanders off to weird, specific locations at times that aren't always easy to remember -- and normally you have to go out of your way to go and look for him. And early on in year 1 are you really wasting space in your rucksack carrying around shells just in case you run into Elliot? Usually not.

Now there is a character with similar behavior who did place higher on the list, so this alone doesn't damn him. But I don't think his design is too appealing, and ConcernedApe seemed to intentionally make Elliot come across as kinda flighty and dumb. He's like the male equivalent of a ditz, and his appearance is similar to those male romance novel leads that I don't find attractive at all. Combined with the fact that it's difficult to get to know him better and it's understandable that even after multiple playthroughs I don't know THAT much about him.

I used to REGULARLY forget his name (along with some of the other bachelors, but this is a problem we'll get into later) and be like 'wait, which one was Elliot again?' I think part of the reason is because to me he actually looks like more of a Sebastian than the actual Sebastian.

Now for anyone who actually likes, or even loves Elliot... Trust me, I get it. I really do. You probably like his design more, and I don't doubt that he's more interesting if you actually go through the trouble of seeing all of his dialogue and heart events from first meeting to marriage. But keep in mind the only character on this list that I dislike is Clint and MAYBE Alex. I just happen to like the upcoming characters more than I like Elliot.

I will also admit that him being stupid is kinda goofy and amusing at times, and I actually ended up changing his ranking when I thought more about this.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

godofwar596 posted...

Boletaria from Demon's Souls.

I have spoken.

a solid answer but I take Central Yharnam over this.

1. Journey to Boletaria is arguably the first level of Demon's Souls, though you can skip it
2. Central Yharnam is good for all of the same reasons as 1-1, but has some added benefits. It doesn't prevent you from gaining levels, it has access to multiple bosses, and it's a larger area you can explore more freely while still guiding the player to learn more about the way this game is going to be played.
3. Father G and the Cleric Beast are both leagues ahead of the Phalanx in terms of a first boss you can run into

If anything what's so impressive about Central Yharnam is that, with regards to point #2... it seems about as focused and tight as 1-1, but once you go back and explore the area more later you realize just how much extra stuff there is to find and how many different ways you can actually navigate the terrain if you know where to look and how everything connects to each other.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

- 41 -


Governer

This is the point where I look at the Pam and the Cliff write up, and I kinda wish I had cut more of the non-characters. Because honestly there is so much less, and less interesting stuff to say about the Governer. Still, he's a decent guy who shows up every so often and doesn't act like a creep. Not much to say about him beyond that.

- 40 -


Marlon

Probably a somewhat controversial placement, since I'm sure Marlon has at least a few fans, but hear me out. Marlon's placement, for me, is solely dependent on the fact that he feels fairly redundant. I think Gil is a much more awesome character concept and design. While Marlon does have the benefit that he shows up at festivals and has a few lines, he gives you your first sword, but... he's not all that interesting to me.

Honestly if they had given those scenes to Gil, and had one dude in the adventurer guild, Gil would be placed much higher on the list. And Marlon wouldn't be so low... because he wouldn't exist!

This is probably one of the most subjective rankings on my entire list. If you happen to like Marlon's design and concept more you could easily swap his place with Gil and say the exact same things about Gil.

- 39 -


Morris

Yes, really, those guys ranked lower than Morris. Honestly, Morris is 'sort of' a dick but nowhere near as bad as some people give him credit for. Probably his worst quality is that he doesn't have many scenes or lines outside of his big scenes. He does come across as needlessly petty and antagonistic at times, but I don't think his character entirely revolves around this. Aside from that there's really only a few of his behaviors you can really take issue with.

1 He has a rivalry with Pierre. Yeah, Pierre is honestly about just as much of a dick as Morris. On top of that, Morris is at least offering affordable items to the community members who have less money.

2 He wants to tear down the community center that no one uses and replace it with a warehouse for his company. I understand in video game logic that he is presented to us as the villain but... really. No one was using the community center. Like, for a really long time. Like, it had completely fallen into disrepair. In real life, barely anyone would give a shit about YoyoMart doing this.

3 YoyoMart is evil. Okay, you've got me there.

But really his low ranking is more dependent on him lacking scenes and not having as much depth as the higher ranking characters. I don't actually consider him all of that different from the next half dozen characters.... though I did use him as a metric often while I was ranking. "Okay, sure, he's boring but is he as bad as Morris" is a thought that popped into my head a lot.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Willpower Drain

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

I play on PS4 and have yet to do a successful YoyoMart run, despite beating the game several times going the other way. I don't know how well I could reallyyy commit to a multiplayer farm though, since I'm not the type who honestly plays video games all that often, or on a set schedule.

feel free to PM me your PSN id and potentially try to set up a time to play, though. it's not impossible that we might get the chance to do so.

.
.

alright so for this ranking I just went ahead and used the wiki, got all of the characters from there, and added a few extra characters and removed two characters. considering how many extra/minor characters there are, it's a near certainty that I have forgotten some of them. others -- I chose not to include because I had less to say about them or no real opinion.

In total I'll be ranking 43 characters.

-43-


Clint

Honestly, I'm not sure who else it could have been. Before I cut some of the non-characters, and a few of the extras that I added and then took away once I started ranking, he might have been a little higher. Cliff is by no stretch of the imagination a terrible character. In fact he serves as a great example of one of the things that I love about Stardew Valley. ConcernedApe is incredibly gifted at using simple portrayals to convey very complex, good characters who are more realistic and flawed than characters in MANY similar games.

The issue with Clint is that his very realistic flaw is that he's an obnoxious incel. This might sound like a bit of a harsh criticism, since some people think Clint is just a shy, sweet guy. But bear with me... because I have married Emily before and let me just say 'yikes.'

When you get her heart level high enough Emily will tell you that Clint doesn't talk to her anymore and seems distant toward her.

While you are dating Emily, Clint will still send you letters and ask you for help trying to win her affection. I'm not 100% sure if he continues to do this after you are married but I honestly wouldn't be surprised.

He just comes across as a total creep in any playthrough where you're trying to romance Emily, and it's really hard to shake that image of him out of your mind after you see it. To conclude, I think he's a pretty great 'character.' I think people like him actually exist, and this portrayal of him is done really well without coming across like a shallow trope. I also find the creep to be pretty annoying, which I think is totally fair and warranted. Him being shy and having no confidence is no excuse to act the way that he does. And unlike some higher entries on this list he never makes any attempt to better himself. He just continues to wallow in self pity for 200 years if you play for that long.

-42-


Pam

I won't have as much to say about Pam just because a lot of what I said to Clint is very similar to how I feel about her. Is she realistic? Do people like her really exist? Did ConcernedApe do a really good job of portraying her characterization through a relatively simple medium, and in a way that makes her feel like more than just a trope? Yes to all.

Is she responsible for making Penny's life fucking miserable?

Yes, but not entirely. While Clint actively acts like a creep, I feel like Pam is slightly less responsible for the harm she causes to others. Penny's father, wherever he is, is somewhat responsible for the situation that Pam is in. And while she is a victim of some of her own poor choices, she is also a victim of circumstances to some extent as well. I actually do feel a bit of pity for Pam. And I do actually feel good for her when she gets her job back driving the bus.

Unlike Clint, she actually makes some attempt to better herself. Although really she hits the bare minimum.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

this is a really well made and interesting topic.

curious to see how the food actually turns out!

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

if people are interested, I will do it

if not... I guess I will let this topic die in obscurity.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

I usually like to pretend my player character is like a puppet I'm controlling anyway, so I actually like games where they have blank expressions and act like mindless dolls. although sometimes when they have personality and dialogue it can be really funny, too.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

lordjers posted...

Yes it has? His statement is somehow considered an attack that must be defended and this topic has gone long enough in part cause of it.

yeah this response confused me. I specifically asked Jakyl if Mike's tweet was behavior that cannot be tolerated. Jakyl responded "yes." and Leon is saying that no one is making the take that Mike's tweet is behavior that cannot be tolerated.

apparently Jakyl is no one to him?

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

I kind of am! Im trying to let cooler heads prevail and examine why things got so nasty in such a way that only causes harm

this is actually true, and a very fair point to make.

StealThisSheen posted...

I fully admit I've been sarcastic, dismissive, disrespectful, etc. and so on. I've never once hidden that I become an asshole in arguments when somebody is being an asshole to me.

The issue is that instead of letting me try to explain my stance, you decided from the very beginning that you were correct, instantly becoming dismissive of me and putting words in my mouth that hadn't been said. You did the exact same thing again even when Jakyl tried to clarify the argument.

So, yes, I reacted how I did, and it was wrong. I never claimed I couldn't be provoked into being an asshole, and I never claimed I'm even a good example of what I was arguing. Doesn't make my argument invalid. If a smoker tells you smoking is bad, you shouldn't dismiss them just because they smoke.

You interpreted my argument wrong, didn't want to budge from that interpretation, and the argument took a bad turn. For that, I apologize. I was wrong to act the way I did. I'm not perfect.

cool, thanks! obviously a nice way to bookend this discussion would be a return apology, but sadly I don't feel this is a situation where I can honestly apologize. I can't sincerely say that I feel like I've done anything wrong.

I do think the situation is still a bit more complicated than what you've outlined above, but at this point it's not worth pressing the issue really. you guys still aren't quite understanding my argument, but... eh. there's not much to be done about that. my way of thinking is very complicated, and difficult to understand. not really in the 'oh I am so intelligent you aren't smart enough to get it' way, but just in the sense that I think very differently, and act very differently than other people. it's not a way of thinking that most people are used to comprehending, and this makes it very esoteric.

much like the psychological version of the uncanny valley. I don't quite behave how a human should behave, but I'm close enough that it disturbs people to see me not acting how I should.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

no. I do plenty of evil things all the time, and even more evil things in my dreams, but I never really give much thought as to what other people are thinking about it. aside from I guess the most basic limiter of 'will I get in enough trouble that it would be an inconvenience.'

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Thats a fine stance to have, but its naive to think that its a problem you can ignore and itll go away, ironically despite that actually literally being how it could go away If everyone did that

I think the more effective approach is to be proactive about shutting down harmful gatekeeping, even if it means acknowledging someones outsized influence in the interim.

what you're describing is exactly the "forming social groups" part of what I've described, which is exactly one of the two things that I have said I am against!

if you believe this is the most "effective" approach, and you believe taking an "effective" approach has more merit than other qualifiers (the most "moral" approach, the most "accurate" approach, the "least harmful" approach) then that's how you're going to behave. in fact, this is a common social tactic on board 8 in particular.

but also understand, as someone who is against this, I'm obviously going to... be against it.

that's why discussions like this arise!

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Yes

okay. then.

in this topic, people have been more sarcastic, dismissive, elitist, and disrespectful toward me than mike matei was in that tweet. so I guess by your own logic their behavior cannot be tolerated either... and you should actually be defending me!

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance?

okay. firstly.

give this tweet a serious look

Retweet if you agree: If you use the rewind feature thats now standard on many NES and SNES games available on Switch, you DID NOT by any stretch of the imagination beat the god damn game.

can you HONESTLY tell me that this counts as behavior you absolutely CANNOT tolerate? I think you guys are being VERY dramatic here.

secondly,

what I'm talking about is not tolerance. because I actually believe that my stance -- against allowing social groups and especially celebrity opinions to decide the subjective value of categorical definitions which should only apply to individuals -- is actually important enough to argue against, so clearly the issue here is not that I'm being too tolerant. it's that I'm challenging behavior that you find acceptable.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Also I do agree with this, because he is someone worth knowing! Its not like I want to cancel Mike Matei over this. I want him to use his clout to do better than be exclusionary.

see, in that case we actually fundamentally disagree.

because I don't think anyone should listen to mike matei just because he's mike matei!


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Thats...exactly what we are arguing. Im not sure how you missed that and think we are arguing something else.

not exactly. there are some subtle but important differences, which I have already outlined in my post above.

the word 'or' in my post is very important.

by engaging in the debate with "mike," you have perpetuated the debate. (for the more pedantic, I know you're crawling all over board 8, yes, I know they are not LITERALLY arguing with mike matei!)

mike's opinion is his argument.
your argument is that MIKE'S opinion is wrong.

my argument is that neither of your opinions matter -- even if I disagree with mike and you also disagree with mike. I never joined that discussion, because I also think ME disagreeing with mike does not matter. this is why I have only brought it up when it was specifically relevant.

like you claim that your argument is the same as mine, that a person does not need permission from the internet for their beliefs... and yet we have a whole topic about how mike's opinion is wrong. you -are- challenging his permission to hold those beliefs!

but, more importantly, to reiterate what I've already said above... having this discussion with "mike" at all means that you believe that it's a valid discussion. I believe it is NOT a valid discussion. that is the difference between us.

also keep in mind my initial post was not directed specifically at you. so using your own conduct as a defense for my earlier criticisms is a bit unfair. and tying your own behavior to StealThisSheen and others by saying "we" is also a very unfair and difficult way of arguing. it encourages me to give examples of things that they have done, to which you can always respond by saying "well I haven't done that." though you implicitly took on the burden of their behavior when you said "we."


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Its mostly because accessibility options in games is a hot button issue at the moment, and most people see it as a very positive, inclusive thing. Hes a person with influence and clout directly arguing against a progressive issue in the industry.

you make his opinion matter -more- by acknowledging his opinion and acting like it matters. you are effectively socially signaling to anyone who doesn't know who mike matei is that he is someone worth listening to, even if your intention is the opposite. worse, you are signaling the idea that someone else other than myself can even decide what counts as me beating a game.

Jakyl25 posted...

I could very easily say why do you care so much about why we care so much if Mike Matei says that you didnt beat a game?

because I think people already give too much power to categorical definitions, specifically the idea that somehow you can argue about the 'correct' interpretation about what counts as beating or not beating a game -- a practice that both Mike Matei AND you guys are engaging in. when in reality the act of "beating" a game has no intrinsic merit to begin with, and a person does not need permission from the internet to believe that using save states is valid OR that using save states is invalid. because their belief should only influence their own behavior, anyway.

words are only useful because they allow us to communicate ideas to each other. once you start enslaving yourselves to the definition of words, and giving other people the power to decide the subjective value of those categorical definitions, you sacrifice your own freedom of thought. and, in some cases, action as well.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen also claims that there is nothing wrong with being the person who tells an elitist person they are being elitist...

... but then freaks out when I tell him he's being elitist?

apparently he does think there's something wrong with it!

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Jakyl25 posted...

Like, the comeback against Matei is not Yes huh they did so beat the game!

Its Why do you care enough to try to put yourself above other people based on gatekeeping your hobby? Dont do that.

why do you care so much if mike matei says that you didn't beat the game?

I think calling his tweet "weaponizing" is more than a bit over dramatic.

as someone who ALSO said they did not agree with mike's tweet, and never bothered to bring it up until I was specifically asked (literally the exact behavior that StealThisSheen said would have been the proper way to act, despite not doing that himself) -- I have to say... there is definitely something to the fact that you guys felt the need to make an entire topic out of this, talking about how wrong mike is, and how anyone who thinks this way and says those things is an elitist asshole, they must only believe it because of a superiority complex, etc. etc.

the entire point of this topic is to make yourselves feel better about having the 'right' opinion, and to look down on people who think the way that mike does. mike is just your visible punching bag because he is the one who said it publicly. of course the dismissive elitists don't think they're being dismissive elitists.

but it sure is a WEIRD coincidence that the exact response to being accused of doing this... is you guys acting elitist and dismissing the opinion of anyone who accuses you of such.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

I'm even admitting I've been an asshole in this argument, so I'm not even sure how I'm being hypocritical at this point?

the last 50 posts when I said you were being an asshole and you kept being dismissive and refusing to acknowledge it until right now???

time is linear

context matters


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

except when you go back and read my posts and see such harsh insults as

"the only difference is that you have decided that it 'is' beating a game, while your opposite side has decided that it 'isn't' beating a game."

and

"you are acting superior to mike matei. he is acting superior to people who use rewind states."

if this is your idea of a near instant personal attack that warrants sarcastically aggressive responses, I've got some bad news for you. you're more of an asshole than you think you are.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

I'd say you have a point if I was the only one that had issue with the tone you took/the things you were saying, but I very much wasn't, so why would I be expect to react respectfully when you certainly were not?

what do you mean 'why'? am I supposed to make your argument for you???

-you- are the one who set the standard that people shouldn't voice their opinions if they can't do so respectfully...

I have no constraint of needing to be respectful, because I am not someone who has ever placed value on that behavior. YOU set that constraint for YOURSELF.

you dunce

StealThisSheen posted...

I never once said I've been respectful in this argument, because this isn't simply a normal sharing of opinion since you jumped to personal attacks almost instantly.

...

MariaTaylor posted...

because you know I am 100% right. you are being disrespectful,

looks like I was right after all!

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

"If you can't express an opinion in a respectful manner, then you probably shouldn't express that opinion."

^ the guy who responded disrespectfully to me exactly 1 reply after making this statement, and has still refused to acknowledge his own hypocrisy


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

mm... well, I don't really have any problems with people thinking I'm an asshole. if you think I'm being an asshole here, fair enough. I don't think I've ever tried to be a nice person before. I'm certainly not gonna argue against it for 50 posts like you've done.

if I think it's unwarranted and someone points it out to me, I'll apologize and stop.

in this case though, I feel it's pretty warranted. I mean, look at how you're talking to me. am I really supposed to be polite in response to this kind of attitude?

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

So which is it you want me to do, exactly? First you belittle me for not running away, then you belittle me for running away, now you attempt to belittle me for not running away again? Surely this no win situation is not a setup born of your own insecurity in which you feverishly need to win every single argument in order to feel intellectually superior to everybody on B8!

get back to me in 48 hours when you stop crying, read your previous posts in this topic, and realize I am totally right about you being more disrespectful than mike's initial tweet.

then you'll understand why I said it was a good thing for you to step away from this discussion.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

Mac Arrowny posted...

So do you also feel like you've been slapped in the face whenever someone says they've beat a game even though they used save states?

no, I don't care one way or the other. I don't even agree with mike's opinion.

funny enough, of the people involved in this discussion, I am actually the only one who met StealThisSheen's standard of keeping my opinion to myself. a standard which HE set, and couldn't even hold himself to.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

me being right about you acting sarcastic and dismissive makes me intellectually insecure? what are you even on about now?

dude, like I said above -- I honestly believe it's for the best that you commit to running away from this conversation like you've pretended to do multiple times now. every post you make is legitimately more lame than the last.

do you actually believe mike matei is sitting there with a dictionary on his lap, poring through each line and letter, going 'well, mm,, by the ummmm definition of the verb "beat" you did not,mmmm ... beat the game!!"

or do you understand what he actually meant by his tweet?

in your desperate attempts to take my posts out of context and "gotcha" me, you're just looking more sad and desperate with each one. you literally, clearly cannot handle this conversation.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

I guess I'm just not as pedantic as you are

probably because I'm not as intellectually insecure

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

because you know I am 100% right. you are being disrespectful, dismissive, sarcastic, and condescending. far more than mike matei's initial tweet. you are being way more elitist in this topic than he ever was.

and since you have no response to that, all you can do is make another dismissive remark and run away.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

"you didn't beat the game if you used save states"

"beating the game without save states is not the same as beating it with save states"

such a gross misrepresentation! so dishonest!

lol

you should have committed to backing out of this conversation the last time you pretended to do so, because your responses now are just beyond fucking lame


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

That'd be nice if that was what the opinion was instead of a gross misrepresentation, then, wouldn't it?

^ an example of someone having a respectful discussion and not being sarcastic or condescending at all


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

If you can't express a controversial opinion respectably, then yeah, you probably shouldn't share that opinion.

1. thinking that there is a difference between beating a game with save states and without save states is not a controversial opinion
2. you've arguably made posts in this topic that were more disrespectful than mike's tweet, so maybe you should take your own advice

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

mike is allowed to have his opinion as long as he keeps it to himself

otherwise known as 'not being allowed to have that opinion'

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

my prediction is currently more accurate than the poll results

further proof that maria is smarter than board 8

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

RO > 4 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 6 > 8 > 3/2/1

I can't really distinguish the prequels anymore, I'd have to watch them again to give a fair assessment of which is "better" than the others... and watching them is not something I want to do.

also my favorite thing about rogue one is that it didn't feel like a star wars movie, so my opinions may not accurately reflect what a 'star wars fan' actually believes.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

I haven't worked in customer service for over a decade but for me this meme of terrible customers really never rang true. most (99%) of the people I dealt with were really nice, and even the ones who were a bit more difficult were not really that bad.

so I guess to answer your question, 1% or less were 'bad'

I can't think of a specific example that I would have called completely unreasonable.

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Due to recent events I have decided Maria is wrong about everything.

from my point of view, the jedi are wrong

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

this topic is mostly going to about the word "be" missing from the topic title

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

You haven't pointed out where I've directly told the other side "No, YOU haven't beaten the game unless you've used rewind" like you accused me of directly.

You haven't pointed out where we actually attacked somebody who didn't belittle us like you accused us of directly.

You keep refusing to actually back up your argument and instead jump to "Oh you're sOoOoO virtuous!"

In other words, typical Maria.

You don't have substance, so you instantly jump to character attacks.

Have a nice life!

^ a person using an actual character attack


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

The entire discussion is "If you can't stop yourself from telling somebody that they didn't beat a game because they used rewind, you sound like an elitist asshole."

this entire topic is you guys patting yourselves on the back for having the 'right' opinion

I guess the sad thing is that while you are perfectly capable of trying to use subtle shame against the people who disagree with you, you don't even have the courage to stand behind your own opinion and will just keep claiming stuff like 'oh no one is directly attacking drak!'

StealThisSheen posted...

No, you didn't. You just insulted me.

you feel insulted because I told you what you did wrong.

there is literally no way past this. you just created a mental paradox where if I criticize you it's not valid if I hurt your feelings, but me saying anything critical will always hurt your feelings -- so you never have to consider anything I say valid.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

NBIceman posted...

Alright, you have a nice day lmao

k


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

Person A: You did this X way so you're stupid.
Person B: Telling people they're stupid for doing things X way makes you sound like an elitist asshole.

Maria: PERSON B HOW DARE YOU

[a dramatic reenactment of what is not actually happening in this topic]

StealThisSheen posted...

So you can't tell me where I'm wrong?

I just did

StealThisSheen posted...

If your entire argument is that it's not okay to tell people that they shouldn't belittle others, then your argument isn't worth replying to further.

no, this is the stance you keep trying to force me to defend despite the fact that I've refuted it multiple times, because you know you can't reply to my actual stance


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

NBIceman posted...

No, we haven't. We have a direct quote from the guy that started the whole discussion (again, for absolutely no reason and provoked by absolutely nothing) saying that finishing a game with these functions is akin to slapping him in the face. We didn't have to create anything.

you are taking mike matei's statement and applying his argument to an entire subset of people that you are mocking, holding them to the same standard as if they made the same remarks, despite the fact that most of them never said anything to you first, and most of them probably don't feel the same way that mike matei does -- they just happen to have some opinions in common which, apparently, makes them elitist assholes akin to the same level of people who go around bashing gays and minorities.

you are taking people who don't acknowledge that you beat the game, by their definition, and you are trying to SHAME them into having the same definition as you.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

Tell me where I'm wrong.

dude lol

you literally have this image in your head of yourself that you are so virtuous, you are somehow comparing yourself to defending gay minorities

read your own posts

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

In the post where I said the TC sounded like an elitist asshole, which he even admitted could come off that way and apologize, he SPECIFICALLY repeated Mike Matei's rhetoric and said "Using rewinds is cheating, so you didn't beat the game, the game beat you."

so you're saying the difference between you and TC is that he realized he was sounding elitist and was able to admit it, while you're apparently unable to do so.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

That's literally not what's happening.

really?

so you're talking to mike matei in this topic?

or what I said is correct?

choose carefully, only one of these things can be true


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

StealThisSheen posted...

Like, this is crazy.

This is basically saying that if you are attacked for being gay, or black, or liking the color cyan, or being a Miami Dolphins fan, or whatever, you're wrong for defending yourself because you're saying they should just "deal with it."

If just "deal with it" means "Don't go out of your way to belittle people for this," then... Okay? How is that a crazy stance to have?

no.

see above.


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

NBIceman posted...

The difference is that one side doesn't have an air of obnoxious gatekeeping led by some guy picking rhetoric-laden fights with strawmen.

it's funny because that is exactly what I see when reading this topic.

you guys have created this salty strawman gamer that you're all relentlessly bashing


---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn

THAT is what you are doing

you just can't see it because you believe yourself to be unquestionably right

---

now I only see your dull imposter
https://imgur.com/BYYr6fn