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TopicRecommend one game that lost in Round 3.
HaRRicH
04/27/20 8:55:29 AM
#5
(it's fine if you recommend more than one, I'm just trying to see what people would recommend the most)

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TopicRecommend one game that lost in Round 3.
HaRRicH
04/27/20 7:58:42 AM
#1
Shovel Knight

It's similar to VVVVVV in that it loves being a video game. I didn't really care for the other modes outside of the base game where you play as Shovel Knight, but you get a great soundtrack and that sweet downward strike from above your enemies.

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Topic* GotD 2020 Guru Contest Stats & Discussion - Part Two *
HaRRicH
04/24/20 11:56:26 PM
#30
Eliminated by my favorite AAA-game this decade -- good job Portal 2.

Good luck to the surviving Gurus!

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1353
HaRRicH
04/24/20 11:49:49 PM
#107
tgs2 posted...
Before this match, I thought Portal 2 would give a decently close match with P5, but this near 70-30 on Mania shut me up on that end.

Arguably puts Persona in range of Odyssey if you think Mania is close to DMCV or Shovel Knight.

Just going off of your post to share these polls:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6946-best-of-2017-switch
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6953-best-of-2017-game-of-the-year

Going off of 2017's GotY-comparisons against LoZ:BotW, it's easy to expect SMO to have suffered enough SFF to overcome Persona 5's numbers. Also though...how much SFF happened is uncertain, these are multi-way GotY-polls, Joker joined Smash like a year ago, and Persona 5 had Royal come out six months ago. These past variables could lead to something like what you're saying -- especially in a world where a Vita port of Persona 4 became a GotD-division finalist.

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TopicFinal Mario Maker 2 update adds world maps
HaRRicH
04/24/20 11:44:46 AM
#43
Naye745 posted...
world maker is neat, but the feature i'm enjoying the most is jumping into small worlds from the same creator - just feels a little more purposeful than playing random levels, which is great!

I agree with this, plus you know if you like one level you're more likely to like the next several.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1352
HaRRicH
04/24/20 1:36:00 AM
#343
Witcher 3's looking good, but I don't think this is an exceptional #2 contender-type of performance either. Skyrim was expected to do better in 2015 and I don't know how much Fallout 76 is supposed to hurt Skyrim when FO:NV is looking alright today. Maybe it hurt FO4...but Skyrim seems a little distant from Bethesda's current woes.

W3/Skyrim still feels really close and at the moment I'm sticking with Skyrim.

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TopicWho else would like to see a new Series Contest after this one?
HaRRicH
04/23/20 12:24:05 PM
#124
Cavedweller2000 posted...
@SBAllen

Game of the Millenium?
I like this idea a lot. It might be best to save this until 2025 as a midway-point between decade contests though.

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TopicHow well did you predict the indie games this contest?
HaRRicH
04/23/20 12:16:34 PM
#6
Up for more indie-rockers.

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Topic* GotD 2020 Guru Contest Stats & Discussion - Part One *
HaRRicH
04/23/20 10:51:46 AM
#458
Thanks char, you too! Assuming P4G holds on, it looks like it's between you and me to see who the only Guru is who will have a perfect Division 4.

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TopicHow well did you predict the indie games this contest?
HaRRicH
04/22/20 11:47:47 PM
#2
I got 45! What I missed:

2 points: Shovel Knight - 50.36% (VS Octopath Traveler) --> Damn you Undertale!
2 points: Super Meat Boy - 35.16% (VS Sonic Mania)
1 point: Hollow Knight - 62.81% (VS Tales or Berseria)
1 point: Stardew Valley - 71.17% (VS Destiny)
1 point: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - 69.22% (VS Hearthstone)
1 point: Bastion - 52.25% (VS The Walking Dead)
1 point: Undertale - 46.71% (VS Octopath Traveler)
1 point: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 43.47% (VS Nioh)
1 point: The Witness - 22.61% (VS Yakuza 0)

I feel like I did alright with indies overall, but Destiny/Hearthstone were lazy-bad picks I made and the Witness might have been by percentage the worst pick I've ever made. Tough cookies.

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TopicHow well did you predict the indie games this contest?
HaRRicH
04/22/20 11:40:27 PM
#1
__/56 points: how hard of an indie rocker were you?








Fifty-six points were available for matches with indie games. How did you do?

INDIE GAMES THAT GOT TO ROUND 3 (1):

4 points: Shovel Knight - 27.19% (VS Super Mario Odyssey)
2 points: Shovel Knight - 50.36% (VS Octopath Traveler)
1 point: Shovel Knight - 64.4% (VS Dragon's Dogma)

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INDIE GAMES THAT GOT TO ROUND 2 (10):

2 points: Hollow Knight - 49.58% (VS Final Fantasy XV)
1 point: Hollow Knight - 62.81% (VS Tales or Berseria)

2 points: Minecraft - 42.35% (VS Marvel's Spider-Man)
1 point: Minecraft - 75.71% (VS Dota 2)

2 points: Cuphead - 39.74% (VS Grand Theft Auto V)
1 point: Cuphead - 68.28% (VS XCOM 2)

2 points: Ori and the Blind Forest - 37.74% (VS Fire Emblem: Three Houses)
1 point: Ori and the Blind Forest - 51.91% (VS Dragon Age: Inquisition)

2 points: Stardew Valley - 35.91% (VS Super Mario Galaxy 2)
1 point: Stardew Valley - 71.17% (VS Destiny)

2 points: Super Meat Boy - 35.16% (VS Sonic Mania)
1 point: Super Meat Boy - 68.96% (VS Slay the Spire)

2 points: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - 31.27% (VS NieR: Autonama)
1 point: Divinity: Original Sin 2 - 69.22% (VS Hearthstone)

2 points: Bastion - 28.09% (VS Dragon Quest XI)
1 point: Bastion - 52.25% (VS The Walking Dead)

2 points: Journey - 25.02% (VS Skyrim)
1 point: Journey - 66.2% (VS Fate/Grand Order)

2 points: Rocket League - 22.76% (VS Dark Souls)
1 point: Rocket League - 51.66% (VS Dragon Ball FighterZ)

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INDIE GAMES THAT LOST IN ROUND 1 (20):

1 point: Celeste - 49.55% (VS Rayman Legends)
1 point: Undertale - 46.71% (VS Octopath Traveler)
1 point: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 43.47% (VS Nioh)
1 point: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night - 40.9% (VS Borderlands 2)
1 point: Terraria - 32.31% (VS BioShock Infinite)
1 point: Disco Elysium - 31.94% (VS Kingdom Hearts 3)
***DON'T DOUBLE-COUNT SINCE I LISTED SMB EARLIER: Slay the Spire - 31.04% (VS Super Meat Boy)***
1 point: Crypt of the NecroDancer - 28.47% (VS Final Fantasy XIV)
1 point: VVVVVV - 28.28% (VS Fallout 4)
1 point: Dead Cells - 27.49% (VS Metal Gear Solid V)
1 point: What Remains of Edith Finch - 25.35% (VS Final Fantasy XV)
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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1351
HaRRicH
04/22/20 11:16:04 PM
#258
And now...we conclude our riveting series of "What's up with 'dem indie games though?"

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INDIE GAMES THAT GOT TO ROUND 3 (1):

Shovel Knight - 27.19% (VS Super Mario Odyssey)
Shovel Knight - 50.36% (VS Octopath Traveler)
Shovel Knight - 64.4% (VS Dragon's Dogma)

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INDIE GAMES THAT GOT TO ROUND 2 (10):

Hollow Knight - 49.58% (VS Final Fantasy XV)
Hollow Knight - 62.81% (VS Tales or Berseria)

Minecraft - 42.35% (VS Marvel's Spider-Man)
Minecraft - 75.71% (VS Dota 2)

Cuphead - 39.74% (VS Grand Theft Auto V)
Cuphead - 68.28% (VS XCOM 2)

Ori and the Blind Forest - 37.74% (VS Fire Emblem: Three Houses)
Ori and the Blind Forest - 51.91% (VS Dragon Age: Inquisition)

Stardew Valley - 35.91% (VS Super Mario Galaxy 2)
Stardew Valley - 71.17% (VS Destiny)

Super Meat Boy - 35.16% (VS Sonic Mania)
Super Meat Boy - 68.96% (VS Slay the Spire)

Divinity: Original Sin 2 - 31.27% (VS NieR: Autonama)
Divinity: Original Sin 2 - 69.22% (VS Hearthstone)

Bastion - 28.09% (VS Dragon Quest XI)
Bastion - 52.25% (VS The Walking Dead)

Journey - 25.02% (VS Skyrim)
Journey - 66.2% (VS Fate/Grand Order)

Rocket League - 22.76% (VS Dark Souls)
Rocket League - 51.66% (VS Dragon Ball FighterZ)

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INDIE GAMES THAT LOST IN ROUND 1 (20):

Celeste - 49.55% (VS Rayman Legends)
Undertale - 46.71% (VS Octopath Traveler)
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 43.47% (VS Nioh)
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night - 40.9% (VS Borderlands 2)
Terraria - 32.31% (VS BioShock Infinite)
Disco Elysium - 31.94% (VS Kingdom Hearts 3)
Slay the Spire - 31.04% (VS Super Meat Boy)
Crypt of the NecroDancer - 28.47% (VS Final Fantasy XIV)
VVVVVV - 28.28% (VS Fallout 4)
Dead Cells - 27.49% (VS Metal Gear Solid V)
What Remains of Edith Finch - 25.35% (VS Final Fantasy XV)
The Witness - 22.61% (VS Yakuza 0)
FTL: Faster Than Light - 22.23% (VS Persona 4 Golden)
Baba is You - 20.73% (VS Grand Theft Auto V)
The Stanley Parable - 20.6% (VS Fallout: New Vegas)
Night in the Woods - 18.04% (VS Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver)
Hotline Miami - 17.01% (VS Dark Souls)
Subnautica - 16% (VS Skyrim)
INSIDE - 13.94% (VS DOOM)
Return of the Obra Dinn - 12.75% (VS Super Mario Galaxy 2)

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1351
HaRRicH
04/22/20 11:06:43 PM
#254
charmander6000 posted...
If I can get P4G > Xenoblade next round I'll have a perfect division...

>_>

<_<

Me too, except the reverse -- looking for Xenoblade > P4G.

Of course, nothing is guaranteed yet today with GTAV still in the mix.....

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 3:38:18 PM
#334
pjbasis posted...
The years surrounding Skyward Sword are basically it. Post-TP gave us very underwhelming DS games, then SS, and ALBW was good but it wasn't a huge release by any means.

So if you consider TP was 2006 and BotW 2017...well we can call it the Dim Period for Zelda at least.

(Personally TP still ranks low for me so it jumps out to me more)

I think of LoZ:LBW as the turning point. It won GotY-awards here and elsewhere, so it's hard to call that too dim of a spot.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 1:42:39 PM
#325
Also, more to the point of SSBU/SMO:

SM64 >> SSB
SSBM >>> SMS
SSBB > SMG1/SMG2/NSMBW
SSB4WiiU >> SM3DW
SSB43DS >> SM3DL

We've not had Mario really beat Smash in over twenty years. This could break the mold, but Mario needs to shoot his shot.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 1:34:54 PM
#323
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Being an iterative multiplayer series that builds on itself, Smash tends to have its individual games lose popularity over time (being "usurped" by the newest game in the franchise), but those individual games have demonstrated some impressive intra-Nintendo strength in their heyday.

Melee - This is almost certainly still the strongest GameCube game. Doubt that will ever change.

Brawl - Was the strongest Wii game for years. It beat Twilight Princess directly in a games contest. Can it do that again? No, but it raised the Nintendo banner highest for years.

Smash Wii U - Is BotW considered a Wii U game? If so, this is the #2 for that console. If not, it's the clear #1.

Ultimate - Relative to other games on its console, this is probably the weakest Smash since 64. Obviously, that says a hell of a lot more about BotW and Odyssey than anything else.

If BotW is doubling up for comparisons on the Switch and Wii U, we can double up LoZ:TP for the Gamecube too and remind ourselves SSBM would beat LoZ:TP.

LoZ:TP may beat SSBB now but we don't have a lot of supporting data for it. Wii U HD remake and the assumption SSB-games drop when the next edition releases...main points here, right? That could overturn their 53-47 match but I'm not certain of it.

I also wouldn't take for granted LoZ:LBW beats SSB43DS. Probably, but I always thought the 3DS-version of SSB4 was getting under-played in strength considering how available and portable it was versus the Wii U (plus the series had good-working online play for the first time with the 3DS-version).

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 10:00:13 AM
#238
The voters are legit, no problems there, but many of the rally-makers -- not all -- are looking for personal gain in these rallies. MAH BRACKETS to the extreme, like when Ulti picked Monika to win a contest with the gameplan of trying to rally for her.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 7:49:55 AM
#203
_SecretSquirrel posted...
I would imagine there was no motive to try to get them to rally, since nobody has Shovel Knight over Odyssey.

And here lies one of the biggest problems with rallies -- the motive. There are a lot of rallies started because somebody wants to be proven right in the hopes of prizes or bragging rights rather than because it's someone's favorite game.

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TopicRecommend one game that lost in Round 2.
HaRRicH
04/22/20 12:37:54 AM
#27
Up one time.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/22/20 12:07:52 AM
#180
SSBU/SMO will be good. SMO definitely looked better in Round 1, but the past two rounds are leaning SSBU since it has tougher opponents.

My big question mark is how will SSBU play in this battle of Nintendo hierarchy, so here are the contest polls with SSB games facing other Nintendo games:

Melee:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3469-division-6-round-1-disgaea-fire-emblem-ssbm-zelda-ww
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3489-division-6-round-2-diablo-iilod-halo-ssbm-zelda-ww
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4183-east-division-final-smash-bros-melee-vs-smash-bros-brawl
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6117-best-game-ever-day-17-round-2-smash-bros-melee-vs-pokemon
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6178-best-game-ever-bonus-smash-bros-melee-vs-super-mario-rpg

Brawl:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492-division-8-round-2-ssbb-gta4-cod-4-s-mario-g
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3505-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-tp-re4-ssbb-mgs4
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3507-contest-semifinal-zelda-oot-ffx-mgs4-ssbb
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4092-east-division-round-1-smash-bros-brawl-vs-mario-kart-ds
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4170-east-division-round-3-pokemon-platinum-vs-smash-bros-brawl
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4190-final-rounds-quarterfinal-smash-bros-brawl-vs-zelda-twilight
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4195-game-of-the-decade-super-smash-bros-brawl-vs-the-legend-of

Ultimate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7987-division-3-round-2-super-smash-bros-ultimate-vs-zelda-link

Series:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2451-mushroom-division-final-super-mario-bros-vs-super-smash-bros

My thoughts: It's Ultimate's match to lose. Melee, Brawl, SSB4WiiU, and arguably SSB43DS were the strongest games of their systems. Ultimate is a GotY-winner that just got done nearly doubling a GotY-winner -- one that was also the #2 LoZ-game this decade -- and Ultimate has also recently become the best-selling fighting game of all time. I expect Odyssey to be stronger than the Galaxy games -- 2017 isn't done impressing yet -- but we haven't seen Mario have a bigger game than a Smash game on a system since the Nintendo 64 and Ultimate out-seeded Odyssey.

Super Mario can still be #2 on the overall Nintendo hierarchy, but Smash has been #1 or #2 of the past twenty years for Nintendo. Odyssey's the one that has to prove itself here more than Ultimate..

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350
HaRRicH
04/21/20 8:00:32 PM
#20
The Utility Man 4/21/2020 7:57:57 PM
#497
undefined posted...
Is anybody else getting live refreshes on these final minutes?
undefined posted...
I mean, I'm not, I'm just asking. =)

Wouldn't saying "anybody else" imply that you or at least someone else were? >_>

Why do you think I clarified?

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 7:57:19 PM
#492
I mean, I'm not, I'm just asking. =)

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 7:56:57 PM
#491
Is anybody else getting live refreshes on these final minutes?

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 7:51:59 PM
#481
It ain't over 'til it's over.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 7:39:49 PM
#433
ZenOfThunder posted...
https://i.imgur.com/DjIBdiD.mp4

This is perfect. No notes.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 6:33:48 PM
#325
Sometimes I'll text people if there's a close match, but I tend to just say "Whoa, this is close" or something and try not to prod them.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 3:59:29 PM
#240
I would be cool with the start time for the matches changing until our schedules break, that'd be fine.

Or not, c'este la vie.

Just wouldn't be happy with this happening mid-match or SB changing his mind from earlier when he said the match should end at the same time.

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TopicCaught some students cheating in my class. What would you do?
HaRRicH
04/21/20 3:13:44 PM
#72
Like a bailout.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 3:12:59 PM
#230
I was okay with the match starting late.

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TopicCaught some students cheating in my class. What would you do?
HaRRicH
04/21/20 3:09:31 PM
#70
Are these students majoring in this field of study?

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 2:45:03 PM
#211
lordjers posted...
Redditers failing to see the whole bracket amuse me.

Really is one of the best parts.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 12:51:14 PM
#191
Thanks for updating us SB.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1349
HaRRicH
04/21/20 9:35:32 AM
#85
Weird rally drama already.

"If we spam Reddit enough and not get our posts taken down for long enough, it will make this GameFAQs contest more fun!"

Sigh. What-eva.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 11:58:44 PM
#400
DoctorJimmy133 posted...
Nearly every game in this poll has beaten expectations in this contest

I mean really. Injustice 2 is the only game on there that didn't make a contest, and it could have stolen a victory somewhere. What Remains of Edith Finch is the only game that didn't impress, but then nobody expected it to.

This poll also isn't counting anything else that came from 2017 -- thinking of SMO here. That year's been beasting.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 11:49:11 PM
#397
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6730-five-months-in-to-2017-whats-your-pick-for-game-of-the-year
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6945-best-of-2017-playstation-4

Being between N:A and P5 ain't too bad a place to be in and HZD did just defeat a former GotY-winner in the previous round too. It has legitimacy here.

EDIT: it's also a 2017-game. We've been seeing nearly all of them consistently impress so far.

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TopicFinal Mario Maker 2 update adds world maps
HaRRicH
04/20/20 11:33:34 PM
#14
Oh man, looks great. Into it!

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 11:17:18 PM
#383
Oh hey, matches.

It's still early, but ME2 is getting the type of win it needs to probably be considered the favorite in a close match next round as long as RE2/Bloodborne stays this close. I'm not convinced RE2 has today down yet though.

What indications do we have about how the first two hours of RE2/Bloodborne should have gone? Because many of those voters will still vote at a later time.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 9:07:48 PM
#306
Nah SB is fine. We're giving him some shit for this and it's earned in that playful way but I'm not stressed here.

If this was mid-match though and had an apparent impact on a close match though, that'd be different. As is, he can start it back up today or tomorrow, whichever's fine.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:59:25 PM
#293
LordOfDabu posted...
The admin's work day might be over. We might need a mod to emergency page them.

@Orinna please

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:47:32 PM
#276
*cough* *cough*

"I'm glad you're enjoying this totally dank contest, but can you imagine how much more chill it would be with like those tacos with Doritos shells?"

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:38:31 PM
#272
WE'RE UP

Resident Evil 2 n/a% n/a
Bloodborne n/a% n/a

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:31:53 PM
#265
Thirty minutes in and today's matches are still anybody's game.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:30:53 PM
#262
As long as the Witness avoids the bottom.

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TopicI'm drinking AMA
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:28:17 PM
#43
Underleveled posted...
Great_Paul posted...
Top 5 b8'ers you would want to meet for a drink.
@ scarletspeed7
@ HaRRicH
@ LeonhartFour
@ ZenOfThunder
@ Punnyz
Off the top of my head.

Cheers buddy.

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Topic* GotD 2020 Guru Contest Stats & Discussion - Part One *
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:24:33 PM
#385
Of course you're a favorite to win. You were a Metal Man.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:20:27 PM
#246
"Yeah CBS, listen, I think the best time to take a break will be one match into the introduction of a new round. Gives the rest of the round some suspense!"

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:11:55 PM
#228
Zylothewolf posted...
Now this how you prevent a rally from taking over the contest, dont even start the poll.

Oh, so pull a Sans. Ironic.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:10:14 PM
#219
davidponte posted...
What's the longest a match has been delayed to start?

I wanna say half an hour maybe? Hard to remember.

Ha...this isn't the same thing, but rise up if you remember CATS ending a match between Jill Valentine and Ryu Hayabusa.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:06:13 PM
#206
TAFKAHurricane posted...
Anyway I like to believe I would defend myself against a burglar unless they had a weapon

This is hiliarious but I have good news: it's finally up.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/top10/3146-the-top-10-quothad-to-be-therequot-games-in-gaming

I forgot this site still does these lists.

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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1348
HaRRicH
04/20/20 8:03:30 PM
#189
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I doubt DQ beats FFXVs percentage here

I wasn't ready to guarantee it, but it seems possible. I figure they're close at this point.

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