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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

That is not a regular occurrence and is actually against the law. Doctors are not allowed to mention MAID to patients at all, only to respond should a patient bring it up to them.

You can't stop all bad actors nor can you say a law is bad because bad actors will take advantage of it.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

The countries that allow euthanasia and assisted suicide vary in how they administer and regulate the practices, but Canada has several policies that set it apart from others. For example:
Belgian doctors are advised to avoid mentioning euthanasia to patients since it could be misinterpreted as medical advice. The Australian state of Victoria forbids doctors from raising euthanasia with patients. There are no such restrictions in Canada. The association of Canadian health professionals who provide euthanasia tells physicians and nurses to inform patients if they might qualify to be killed, as one of their possible clinical care options.

Deutschenlied posted...

Uh this is exactly when assisted suicide should be available. If your problem can't be fixed and will only get worse, then why shouldn't you be allowed to die? It's cruel and unethical to not allow someone that option.

Your name is really "Deutschenlied" and you need someone to explain to the potential dangers of euthanasia going too far?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/doctor-suggested-assisted-suicide-daughter-mother-elson-1.4218669

Sheila Elson's 25-year-old daughter, Candice Lewis, has several medical conditions, including spina bifida, cerebral palsy and chronic seizure disorder.
During a hospital stay in St. Anthony last November, when Lewis was very sick, Elson said a doctor told her that her daughter was dying and that she had the option to end her life.

"His words were 'assisted suicide death was legal in Canada,'" she told CBC. "I was shocked, and said, 'Well, I'm not really interested,' and he told me I was being selfish."
According to Elson, Lewis was within earshot when the doctor made the comment which she said was quite traumatic for her daughter to hear.

Canada went from not allowing the practice at all to having doctors recommending it for people that are a "burden of the state" as soon as the practice was made legal.

DrizztLink posted...

Do you think the doctor makes the first decision about if someone wants to go through assisted suicide?

I think they play a part as does the rest of the society a person lives in and cultural expectations. There are massive cultural differences in suicide rates and I'd expect there to be massive cultural differences in euthanasia rates between cultures.

I don't want to live in a culture where there is an expectation that people who are depressed should just go to a doctor to sign off on getting euthanized.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867
Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canadas euthanasia laws

Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to bust him out as soon as possible.
Within a month, Nichols submitted a request to be euthanized and he was killed, despite concerns raised by his family and a nurse practitioner.
His application for euthanasia listed only one health condition as the reason for his request to die: hearing loss.

Here is another disturbing incident-

In one recording obtained by the AP, the hospitals director of ethics told Foley that for him to remain in the hospital, it would cost north of $1,500 a day. Foley replied that mentioning fees felt like coercion and asked what plan there was for his long-term care.
Roger, this is not my show, the ethicist responded. My piece of this was to talk to you, (to see) if you had an interest in assisted dying.
Foley said he had never previously mentioned euthanasia. The hospital says there is no prohibition on staff raising the issue.

So they basically brought up euthanasia for someone as a way to avoid the expense of a long hospital stay. The hospital isn't even denying that is what they did they are saying it was perfectly legal.

One worry I have with this sort of thing is that doctors will happily sign off on it for things like chronic diseases that don't have an effective medical treatment, even diseases that have a psychological component.

Many doctors see these people as a problem they can't fix and some doctors think that medically assisted suicide is a solution to the problem. Its a mistake to think that the profession itself confers people with some special sense of ethics.

It was super effective.

"Maybe they prefer for Biden to hand them nukes or have him fire nukes so they can destroy everything in the Middle East."

How can you be invested enough in this topic to drop a dozen links on us and not know that Israel has nuclear weapons. They've been estimated to have several hundred and best guess is that they made their first bombs almost 60 years ago.

Humble_Novice posted...

Is there really no way for the moderate and left-winged parties in Israel to oust these right-wingers?

The Israeli pro peace left is in the same position the American pro peace left was in December 2001.

Just a warning that you will be modded on this board if you say anything that could possibly be construed as pro Israel or questioning what does or does not constitute genocide.

I use my credit card for everything but I pay it off every month. I have other debt in the form of a HELOC which I don't feel great about but its not at 20% interest like credit cards are right now.

DarthAragorn posted...

that's because americans are fucking morons

the economy still sucks but anyone that thinks it would be better under a republican is illiterate

I think this is more about mood than statistics. Republicans are triumphalist when they are in power while Democrats, especially with their current coalition have failed to take advantage of positive economic indicators.

Long story short
When a Republican is president and the economy is good-
Republicans - We are the best! *pounds chest* this is the greatest economy and the we are the greatest country!
Democrats- But there is still so much inequality in the world and so many are left behind. This is actually the worst economy ever and this country is horrible.

When a Democrat is president and the economy is good-
Republicans- Its OK in spite of the president and it could be even better if we had our guy in the White House.
Democrats- But there is still so much inequality in the world and so many are left behind. This is actually the worst economy ever and this country is horrible.

Statistically the economy has done better under democrats than Republicans in the past few decades but you wouldn't know it based on how people feel about the economy.

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MarbyIsBack posted...

[citation needed]

You don't trust "this lady at work"?

Most people in Iceland don't have family names. A person named Gunnarson is literally the son of someone named Gunnar.

thronedfire2 posted...

do schools not spend a whole semester teaching about the holocaust in high school these days? we watched Schindler's List in class. we literally took a field trip to the Holocaust Museum

I feel like some of this is regional. The percentage of the population that is Jewish varies massively between states from 8.8% in New York down all the way to .03% in South Dakota.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Was the civil war a myth too?

I doubt half of gen z could tell you what century the Civil War happened in.

Think about it like this.

Was the Confederate States of America a "nazi" country?