Current Events > Woman with chronic fatigue has herself Euthanized is going viral

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Sheesh, could only imagine the other morbid memes

Ah. I see we're normalizing giving medical professionals (whose job is to keep people alive) license to kill people as long as they're excused with "They asked for it."

Nope. Nothing wrong with this. Could invest energy in services that are supposed to ease suffering like mental health care but nah that seems hard. Besides mentally ill people who want to die are perfectly capable of making logical long term decisions.

Smartest person I ever knew was a teenage girl wrapped up in MAGA who wanted to off herself because her friend blocked her on social media.

What a stunning decision. Funny meme too!

Im on the fence about the idea of assisted suicide. I get it is a choice and some people dont want to feel pain or constant tiredness, but I feel that there is always a better option.

Things that destroy the mind till we find a cure (if possible), I can see it, its literally losing who you are, be nice to say goodbye while still yourself.

texanfan27 posted...

I feel that there is always a better option.

The thing is, sometimes their isnt

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Yes. And this changes what?

There's still something unsavory about leaving the decision of "is this person's death worth it" to physicians (whose job is to keep people alive) and people who are literally ill.

IHeartRadiation posted...

Yes. And this changes what?

There's still something unsavory about leaving the decision of "is this person's death worth it" to physicians (whose job is to keep people alive) and people who are literally ill.

Whose decision should it be?

I've had conversations about this with my wife. I'm selfish as fuck but I would argue with her to live, because I want her here! But she has claimed that if her cancer ever returns, she won't fight it and will just be at peace in the end.

But I only saw what she went through, I didn't go thru chemo/surgery/pain like she did. I want her to stay because I love her, but having her stay means she suffers and is unhappy. I don't think I can ever get her to change her mind about it and I fucking hate it.

Anyone saying she should just suffer and deal with it has never had to have a conversation like this.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Has anyone been euthanized because they have a treatable depressive episode? Do you think we'll have doctors euthanizing patients who broke their arm?

Like with abortion, people think it is a snap decision for some reason. Even though there is a lengthy process where the patient will get counseling and evaluated to make sure they know exactly what will happen and if it is the best decision or not.

IHeartRadiation posted...

Yes. And this changes what?

There's still something unsavory about leaving the decision of "is this person's death worth it" to physicians (whose job is to keep people alive) and people who are literally ill.

uh who should make the decision? And doctors' jobs are to treat people, to help them. If there is no cure and things will only get worse before a horrific death, then assisted suicide would be ethical if the patient chooses that.

MatzoTov posted...

Whose decision should it be?

This is a compromise I'm willing to offer even though I dont believe in assisted suicide at all but at minimum mental and physical health professionals who after a series of coordinated attempts at treatments were left with no other option.

IHeartRadiation posted...

This is a compromise I'm willing to offer even though I dont believe in assisted suicide at all but at minimum mental and physical health professionals who after a series of coordinated attempts at treatments were left with no other option.

I mean why would you think that doesnt happen first? Doctors are not going to go euthanize first!

I'm at work so I can't get into detail until later.

My wife used MAID back in July to pass away on her own terms rather than let her conditions get even worse and die in horrific pain and distress. I will post my opinions when work is done... but i supported her decision and flew out of province with her and flew home alone. That was my dedication to her wishes.

religion has too big a say

if im tired of life there really ought to be a way i can pay to end it

i thinking of filling my pockets with rocks and taking a swim

IHeartRadiation posted...

This is a compromise I'm willing to offer even though I dont believe in assisted suicide at all but at minimum mental and physical health professionals who after a series of coordinated attempts at treatments were left with no other option.

What should a person with an increasingly debilitating disease leading to a guaranteed miserable death do if you don't "believe" in assisted suicide?

IHeartRadiation posted...

This is a compromise I'm willing to offer

We don't give a shit.

Death with Dignity is a right.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I dunno why we even need a reason. The process should just be like "Why do you want to kill yourself?" "idk" "you understand this is irreversible?" "Yeah" "ok into the pod you go"

Tenlaar posted...

It shouldnt even require an illness or anything.

The correct takes.

IHeartRadiation posted...

Ah. I see we're normalizing giving medical professionals (whose job is to keep people alive) license to kill people as long as they're excused with "They asked for it."

Most definitely not a correct take.

Its definitely something that should remain a very strict process to avoid situations like in Canada where they offered to end some disabled persons life instead of giving them the assistance they needed, but otherwise being able to end your suffering on your own terms is definitely good.

IHeartRadiation posted...

at minimum mental and physical health professionals who after a series of coordinated attempts at treatments were left with no other option.

IHeartRadiation posted...

There's still something unsavory about leaving the decision of "is this person's death worth it" to physicians

I, uh...

so... doctors.

Kai_Laguna posted...

I mean, we DO have the ability to choose to end our lives whenever we wish.
I don't see the issue with making it legal to have it done by a medical practitioner as apposed to blowing our brains out or making an exit hood or something.

Agreed. People should have the right to end their life for whatever their own reason is, as long as it's not from coercion or manipulation.

MatzoTov posted...

I, uh...

so... doctors.

You think a physician is the same as a psychotherapist? OK.

Not that I want to off myself or anything, but, if I'm ever in a situation where it's just endless pain and torment let me go out on my terms ffs.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Most definitely not a correct take.

Also empty posturing so, you know

Kradek posted...

Agreed. People should have the right to end their life for whatever their own reason is, as long as it's not from coercion or manipulation.

What about if they have mental health issues and dont have the capacity to make a rationale decision?

I was always in favor of people having the right to end their life if they wish. I feel it's wrong to try forcing you to go on if you don't want to, especially if it's painful to do so. I don't agree with forcing people to have to do it on their own, either, because that can go badly. People should have the right to have it assisted, to make it as painless as possible.

SHRlKE posted...

What about if they have mental health issues and dont have the capacity to make a rationale decision?

Then no obviously. But we're clearly not talking about them, we're talking about people who can make that decision. People like you and me, we have to ask ourselves what do we want for ourselves if we get into a situation where we're in constant pain and there's no way to help us. Suddenly being alive doesn't seem that pleasant.

IHeartRadiation posted...

You think a physician is the same as a psychotherapist? OK.

Does a psychotherapist make terminal medical diagnoses?

If someone is guaranteed die in terrible circumstances, we don't need to evaluate their mental state. Of course, it's compromised. They are scared out of their minds at the prospect of dying in agony or having completely lost their sense of self.

Stop acting like there will be a future where doctors recommend suicide for curable/treatable ailments.

I didn't think people would be using euthanasia for chronic fatigue tbh

Deutschenlied posted...

Does a psychotherapist make terminal medical diagnoses

Irrelevant. I think this is about it from this topic.

SHRlKE posted...

What about if they have mental health issues and dont have the capacity to make a rationale decision?

That's a gray area because being sound of mind is important, however those people also suffer with afflictions that make their desire to end it very understandable.

Like a schizophrenic who medication is unable to help. Would you damn them to a life of endless paranoia, conspiracies, and waking delusions because you think them having that should make them immune from being able to willingly choose to end it? These people often end up hurting/killing themselves to escape these afflictions, so I'd prefer they have the option to go out peacefully in a controlled environment as opposed to walking in front of a train/truck or some painful method for ending their misery.

I suppose it would be on a case-by-case basis as evaluated from a mental health professional.

SHRlKE posted...

What about if they have mental health issues and dont have the capacity to make a rationale decision?

This is like hearing someone defend adults' decision to have consensual sex and going "But what about children?" Clearly it wouldn't apply to those situations!

IHeartRadiation posted...

Irrelevant. I think this is about it from this topic.

Why should someone guaranteed to die horribly be forced to live until then?

Asherlee10 posted...

get a late-term abortion all willy-nilly.

republican's have already blocked the entrance of getting those.

Just to inform people how this all goes in Canada with MAID.

You need to present all backing medical information to multiple doctors who are allowed to provide MAID assessments. These assessments legally require the doctors to provide alternate care and options to try if they feel it has not been done. This includes your entire health spectrum, from physical to mental to what options have been explored or not.

For my dearly departed, she had tried everything possible for her conditions (Ehlors Danlos, MCAS, and many other conditions) to the point that her EDS specialist, her family doctor, and the two MAID doctors all agrees that she had tried everything possible to deal with her illness. Also they take into account what living with the illness means and what decline could look like.

The last 4 months of her life, my wife could no longer eat solid foods due to her Ehlors Danlos progressing. She could not really leave the home and participate in life.

Would anyone who dislikes MAID tell my wife to just deal with the inability to swallow and the inability to engage with life until a major organ bursts and she dies from that? Or she no longer can get enough nutrition to live? Why tell someone who is suffering so much that they have no right to stop suffering?

"People who aren't of sound mind to make that decision for themselves" is a very uncomfortable slippery slope. It should be all or nothing. There are very legitimate reasons for a person to end their life that don't involve mental or terminal illness.

Dark_Arbron posted...

"People who aren't of sound mind to make that decision for themselves" is a very uncomfortable slippery slope. It should be all or nothing. There are very legitimate reasons for a person to end their life that don't involve mental or terminal illness.

It really shouldn't be all or nothing. There are a lot of things a person can think under narcotic influences or extreme stresses that they would never make while sober. This is why people are advised to have a buddy with them if they decide to drop acid, or to call someone if they feel suicidal. The vast majority of people who attempt suicide and survive report that they're glad to have failed or been interrupted, and do not try to commit suicide again.

IHeartRadiation posted...

There's still something unsavory about leaving the decision of "is this person's death worth it" to physicians (whose job is to keep people alive) and people who are literally ill.

This is the definition of triage and organ lists.

hockeybabe89 posted...

The average doctor is still ethical and is supposed to save people that can be saved, so euthanasia "on demand" will not get out of hand unless they start building suicide booths on every corner.

I don't get this mindset? If suicide is ethical, then why would we restrict it like that?

Background_Guy posted...

I don't get this mindset? If suicide is ethical, then why would we restrict it like that?

Because ethics aren't based on being a simple binary, and people in a poor mindset generally have a chance of getting out of that mindset.

One worry I have with this sort of thing is that doctors will happily sign off on it for things like chronic diseases that don't have an effective medical treatment, even diseases that have a psychological component.

Many doctors see these people as a problem they can't fix and some doctors think that medically assisted suicide is a solution to the problem. Its a mistake to think that the profession itself confers people with some special sense of ethics.