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SaltyAndSweet posted...

omg can you even imagine how annoying cavemen children must have been

On the plus side, prior to the Industrial Revolution childhood was mostly over by the time you were 10. You had to leave the cave and get a job.
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I preferred when they had the "abortions for all" platform, and felt like it was a betrayal of ideology when they softened it.
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

for someone that doesnt care about the game you certainly never miss an opportunity to tell potd you arent interested in it

That's because while I don't care about the game, but I very much care about complaining about things on the Internet.

You of all people should be able to relate!
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

I think people normally say that IGN is full of carp

like fish

Or maybe they're full of clap?

Like the sexually transmitted disease.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Turns out men could hunt better than women

Arguably, that wasn't even the case - there's a fair bit of evidence to suggest the real reason gender roles formed along those lines at that point was because women were better at staying behind to care for the young, so men were forced into the more active hunting role by default.

Still, in that scenario it's not really a transaction as much as it is symbiosis - without women no one was raising the kids or handling the crafting/gathering aspects of tribal life, so it wouldn't matter if you were the best male hunter in the world, you'd still be pretty stone cold fucked without females in a reciprocal relationship. And there wasn't much benefit outside of the already established group support dynamic.

It wasn't until we invented agriculture and settled down in single locations, and thus could suddenly accumulate belongings (and thus form the basis of "wealth") that enough value was added to the system for more complex transactions. Basically, you have to invent trade and barter before sex stops being communal and starts being business.

The other trick is that the possibility of the accumulation of wealth introduced the need to be able to dispense assets upon death (and thus the concept of inheritance), which radically altered the male/female dynamic. Prior to property, who a given child belonged to was more or less meaningless (because children were part of the tribe and the whole tribe had a vested interest in raising them), but once wealth and property are factors, parents had a vested interest in supporting their own children over others... and while woman generally know exactly which children are theirs for obvious reasons, the only way men can really be 100% sure a child is theirs is to guarantee the woman isn't having sex with anyone else. So agriculture created the Patriarchy.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU
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Cyberpunk's the only game on that list I intend on buying, ever.

I cannot even conceive of a scenario where I give less of a shit about the FFVII remake than I already do (and I actually liked the original FFVII). Pretty much every single thing about it is calculated to make it a game I have less than zero interest in. You'd pretty much have to pay ME to play it.

And while the RE2 remake worked out pretty well, I wasn't so into the idea that I bought it myself - and RE2 was a better game than RE3 was. So my stance towards that one is what I'd potentially classify as "accepting disinterest". Maybe I'll watch someone Let's Play it for a bit at some point, and I wouldn't discourage a friend if they were thinking about buying it (in the same way I have for the FFVII remake and Kingdom Hearts III), but I'll probably never bother playing it. Especially considering I already have a stack of like 8 games I've bought and never played, and yet I keep playing Stardew Valley instead.

The real problem is that I always like to hold off a couple months before buying any game, rather than giving into pre-order bullshit or release day hype (and so that accurate word of mouth can have time to get around and not just publisher-fellating puff pieces, and the early adopters find most of the day one bugs and harass the studio into patching them), so in spite of the fact that I'm actually pretty keen on Cyberpunk I still don't really want to buy it in April. Or May. Or June.

And considering the last time I let my enthusiasm encourage me to buy a game as early as a few weeks after release, I got fucked, now I've got more motivation to hold on to my principles.
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That's less a case of it being older than we think, and more that we taught monkeys an economic system and they immediately chose to use it for the most obvious commodity.

Still doesn't really change the fact that it wouldn't have existed as a "profession" until we'd invented the barter system, at least. And if we want to get technical, people had jobs before we unlocked "Barter" on the tech tree, so the ancient trope of calling it the oldest profession might even be incorrect anyway.
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VincentStein posted...

why even bother to invest in that when you could just get a PC?

Out of the last dozen or so games I bought about a third of them aren't on PC at all. Of the ones that are, there's always the risk of finding the game I bought is worthless because it conflicts with a driver I do or don't own, or it doesn't run on the version of Windows I'm currently using, or that the PC port is buggy and inferior to the console versions (WB's pulled this one multiple times). I own multiple PC games I've never been able to play. I never had that problem with my consoles.

And then there's the fact that, if you don't want to use either Steam or Epic, your game options on PC are even more curtailed.

I can name far more reasons why I don't want to game on a PC ever than I can reasons why I would ever want to. This has been the case for nearly 25 years, and I don't really see it changing any time in the next generation or two. Hell, nearly all the things I dislike about modern console gaming stem from their attempts to be more like PC.



VincentStein posted...

It's more practical to get a PC

I'd argue the opposite. Getting a gaming level PC has always been far more work than just buying a console off a shelf, setting one up involves a greater degree of effort, and the end result has you sitting at a desk rather than on a couch with your TV (yes, a PC can be set up to run off a TV, but it's never as natural as a console that just plugs and plays). In addition, controlling the PC winds up being more awkward as well, since while you can feasibly tie the whole thing into a controller, the default assumption is mouse/keyboard, which doesn't work as naturally when you're not at a desk (and which I loathe as gaming inputs regardless).



VincentStein posted...

then some lame soystation or the bored box.

Oh. Ohhhhhhhhh.

Sorry. I didn't really you were one of those people. Surprised you didn't spell Microsoft with an $ somewhere in there, then chuckle to yourself about how clever and rebellious you are. You stick it to those bastards, you brave iconoclast!

I'll stop trying to discuss the issue with you as if you were an actual adult, and as if this wasn't just a trolling topic. It'd just be a waste of both our time, honestly.
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FatalAccident posted...

So 3 incidents, one of which we didnt even see? Doesnt equate to something being used throughout a series does it

Pretty sure there's actually at least a couple other examples in the show.

And "throughout" the series doesn't mean it happens constantly, just that it happens over a long period of time. Even if it happened three times, if those three times were season 1, season 4, and season 8, that actually would be accurate. So you'd have to isolate which seasons things are happening in to really disprove it.
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

or being threatened by lgbt people just existing

To be fair, most people threaten me by just existing.

It's why I've been working on my orbital death ray for so many years now. I'm going to solve that problem.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

I'd have to be eagerly awaiting something in the first place, which is a big ask in and of itself.

Winx Club: Magical Fairy Party 2?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Biology is a social construct.

Bigotry is also a social construct. Therefore, it doesn't actually exist and you're not allowed to complain about it.
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The only good thing I can say about IGN is at least they're not Polygon.
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Wingdings
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Being a good cousin, and not a bastard.
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You need to bait harder. Only then will we call you master.
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I saw an article about that. I just read the clickbait headline and saw the picture of the girl/her shirt, and I thought it was a reference to the new Doctor Who with ladyparts.

I didn't care enough to look into the story further. I still don't, honestly.
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Far-Queue posted...

I don't eat thin crust pizzas, so no I guess

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Mesoamerican farming technique, milpa, is more sustainable.

Only at relatively low levels of population, but regardless, you missed my actual point by a metric mile.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

If I could travel back in time, I go back far enough to prevent the epidemic.

Have fun preventing the Agricultural Revolution.
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keyblader1985 posted...

I waited thirteen years for Kingdom Hearts III, I don't know how many years for Shenmue 3, and I'm still holding out a shred of hope for Mega Man Legends 3. I have infinite patience.

It took 27 years to get Tron 2. I'm ready to wait until 2040 to see Tron 3.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

a lot of those hours are me leaving the ps4 on while i do shit V_V

Something like 80-85% of my PS4 time is probably from watching stuff on YouTube.
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So, half of all JRPGs from the NES/SNES era?
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VeeVees posted...

let me guess, WWI?

It's actually about women winning the right to vote in New York.
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I don't care, because I very rarely buy games less than a few months to a year after release anyway.

It doesn't help that I think I've bought maybe one game within the first month after release in the last five years or so, and that wound up biting me in the ass. So that just reinforces my "Fuck you, I'll buy the game when it's 50% off, after you've fixed all the damned bugs" mentality. There is zero reward to being an early adopter these days.

I might think differently if I played online multiplayer and had to get in as soon as possible to be competitive, but I find online multiplayer to be completely tedious and boring, so that doesn't motivate me in any way.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I think that is where I mixed up things, putting them and Columbus closer together in time in my head, thinking the pandemic happened before Columbus, instead of because of him.

Well, to be super-fair to him, it didn't happen because of him specifically. Other Spaniards like Cortes and Pizarro probably did more to spread disease (and just generally murder/conquer the natives). But the only reason the Spanish as a whole were there is because Columbus showed them the way, so he effectively opened the door to the hundreds of years of conquest and colonization that followed.

Though another interesting thing to note along those lines - the Spanish were mostly just interested in the gold and silver they could get from the Americas, and were mostly willing to co-exist with the natives (and try to covert them to Catholicism) as long as they cooperated (apart from a few atrocities here and there, which is what you get when violent men are operating without immediate oversight and tons of gold is involved). Which is mainly why the Hispanic population that exists today in Central and South America is basically a sort of hybrid of native and Spanish bloodlines (except in Brazil, where it's intermixed Portuguese and native instead). But the other European nations operated differently - the French mostly just wanted to establish trade (which is why they generally avoided conflict with the natives as much as possible), while the English were the ones most aggressive about driving natives off the land entirely (or outright killing them). The "New World" would likely be a VERY different place today if the only ones who knew about it were the Spanish, and the other empires never found their way here (or at least never attempted colonization).

It's also worth noting that, even if you traveled back in time and murdered Columbus as a child, thus preventing him from making the crossing, someone from Europe likely would have found the Americas eventually, and you would have gotten the same chain reaction of epidemic and conquest that happened in our history, so it's not even that he specifically was absolutely necessary for what happened. If anything, in a world without Columbus Europe might have advanced faster, and been even more violent once they got to America and could kill the natives with speed and impunity.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Did Columbus not arrive in the aftermath of that pandemic?

That epidemic was entirely rooted in diseases that the Spaniards brought over from Europe, that the natives had no real resistance to. The general assumption is that smallpox is the one that did the most damage, though measles might have been a close second. In return, they gave Europe syphilis.

Basically, the Spanish in the Central and South American areas passed diseases to the natives by interacting with them, who then spread it to their neighbors, who spread it to their neighbors, who spread it to their neighbors, and so on, until it crossed the entire continent and affected places the Europeans had never seen.

By the time the British, French, Dutch, and others started establishing colonies a hundred years later, they were showing up in places that had already been annihilated by disease. Which made it a lot easier to establish footholds because there was no one left to fight them over the land (and a lot of the land was already cleared and previously cultivated, which made it easier to establish farms and towns than it would have been in complete wilderness). And, of course, the new settlers wound up passing their diseases on to natives they met, so the cycle continued.

It's similar to what happened when the Mongols started pushing west into what is present-day Crimea. They brought disease from Asia with them, that people in Asia had built up resistances to from centuries worth of regular exposure, but they were passing it to Europeans who have never caught those diseases, and never built up immunity, and thus, the Black Death winds up rolling across Europe and killing off half the population (about 100 million). A lot of disease got passed around Europe, Asia, and Africa that way (mostly through trade routes) over thousands of years, which is why there's always examples of minor plagues here and there, or more major outbreaks (like the Plague of Justinian or the one that hit England just before the Great Fire of London in 1666). But that constant ebb and flow strengthened immune systems against those diseases in general, so there usually wasn't a huge catastrophic outbreak (except for the Black Death).

People in the Americas had never had that contact, so they were exceptionally susceptible to those diseases, and something like 90% of the population (around 40 million people) died from them. Which completely disrupted their entire way of life, and radically changed the future of the world. In an alternate universe where the natives don't get sick, European colonization would be much, much more difficult (if it could succeed at all). In fact, this may be WHY the Vikings didn't colonize North America - they were facing the full strength of the natives, and lacked the guns the later colonizers brought with them.

Ironically, the fact that the American natives killed off most of the megafauna when they first arrived from Asia (which meant there were fewer species to domesticate once they settled down into agricultural civilizations, which in turn meant they didn't catch diseases from the animals, which meant their immune systems were weaker, and which meant the diseases they gave to the Europeans weren't as potent) helped play a role in their downfall. In an alternate universe where American natives had domesticated dozens of species and developed hundreds of unique diseases of their own, the Colombian Exchange potentially sets off sweeping lethal infection that devastates Europe, Asia, and Africa (though possibly not, because the long trip across the sea could potentially be long enough to prevent anyone infected from managing to get back to Europe alive). If if happened, the likely outcome there is that colonization becomes both impossible and unwanted, and by the time Europe recovered enough to begin another attempt at colonization the civilizations of the Americas would have recovered as well, and would potentially present much stronger resistance to conquest.

But yes, without Columbus (or someone like him, around that same time period), no disease, and the world winds up looking VERY different.
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Claire friend zoned him SO hard.
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Dynalo posted...

I'm inclined to agree. While I miss Ray's quick and witty banter (not the same on the streams since he's by himself), Jeremy has been a fantastic addition.

Ray could definitely be really funny, but he was always a bit of a hit-or-miss scenario. If he was having one of his days where he was just "ironically" meme'ing he could be annoying, and towards the end when he was bitter about behind the scenes stuff and barely interacting it was like, "Why are you even still here?" He's definitely individually funnier (and happier) on his solo streams, but like you say, it also means he doesn't really have anyone to bounce off of and banter with (which is why I almost never watch his solo streams, or solo streamers in general).

I feel like people only really have this inflated view of Ray as comic genius because most people discovered AH when they were in their teens/early 20s, which is when their own sense of humor was almost entirely memes. So they related more to him than anyone else, because he was basically being the same idiot they were. Even if he was actually making fun of them (though like Geoff said, "If you're constantly doing something "ironically', eventually it stops being 'ironic' and just starts being you doing the thing." Like fighting monsters and gazing into the Abyss, etc etc.)

Unfortunately, I'm pretty close to Geoff's age - so I never related to Ray on that level (and found him kind of annoying sometimes). So he was never my favorite member of AH anyway (Ryan usually gets that vote - he thinks and jokes like I do, though I play more like Jack).
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Lokarin posted...

I skipped over the BG Reboot... can you give a contextual example?

It's not even the reboot - the original version from the 70s was based pretty strongly on some Mormon concepts. The reboot dialed those back a bit, but then went full all-in on concepts like Space Jesus, and the show ends with literal Adam and Eve, more or less.



Judgmenl posted...

Xenosaga has heavy Abrahamic references.

Yeah, but because the Japanese don't really understand actual Judaism or Christianity, it's one of those cases where they're mostly referencing names and concepts, but completely out of context in ways that render them mostly meaningless.
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NEW car, no. Though depending on where you live, owning a car in general may be pretty much necessary to live anything resembling a normal life.

That being said, the main advantage of a new car over an older one is that, the older the car, the more likely it is to have problems or break down. Which you'll either need to be able to repair yourself, hope it's still under some sort of dealer warranty (if you're leasing direct rather than buying from a used car place or an individual), or you're going to have to keep paying a mechanic to fix. If you're mechanically inept and are just buying from Craigslist or something, you may find buying an older car will actually cost you more money in the long run than just buying one new.

My father used to be good at repairing cars, so he'd just buy old junkers, fix them up, and if they broke down while he was driving them he'd just do whatever he needed to do to get it running again, so he'd rarely pay more than the cost of parts. But I can barely change my own oil, and I don't like the risk/inconvenience of breaking down and getting towed (even though I have roadside assistance), so I just buy new now.

My one friend leases - which can cost more in the long run than simply buying new outright, but which spreads those payments over time to make them more manageable if you don't have a lot in savings, and which has the benefit of being able to take the car back to the dealer for covered maintenance.
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hypnox posted...

Well if you want AH, it wasnt the same after Ray left

Personally, I think it improved - Jeremy's awesome and Michael mellowed out over time, which make him less annoying that he was originally.



hypnox posted...

which turned it into more weird stunts and hijinks then let's plays that were worth watching.

They mostly keep that confined to AHWU and separate videos on their AH channel. The Let's Play channel is entirely gameplay videos.
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CTLM posted...

You drop in karma to 5 and you can't post here where you were warned. You can post up to 3 posts for 24 hours

It's not so much that you can't post where you were warned, it's that certain social boards don't allow warned posters to post, but you can still post on game boards.

You can get warned on a game board and still be able to post on that board but not PotD.
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ReggieTheReckless posted...

Better delayed than shitty.

A shame it's going to be both.
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hypnox posted...

Eh I dont watch them since they layed off all those people and completely restructured the company.

That's not really what happened at all, and it changed literally nothing when it comes to AH, but if it's not for you, it's not for you.

Was just pointing out that they played it that way.
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hypnox posted...

Isn't there a monopoly game the comes with real money?

Yes.

And also, this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuRSSCs-JJE
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

hey its that same post

You took the words right out of my mouth!
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The obvious solution is to play all of your games with real money.
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Far-Queue posted...

If you're looking for mint condition, that would probably be more difficult to track down.

I actually meant new, but also didn't think there'd be all that many people selling them used anywhere anyway. I remember it being kind of obscure even when I got a copy of it.

Then again, when I found my copy, it was already like 10+ years old. And it's not like I was going to game stores or looking in the board game aisle in department stores when I was 2 years old.
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

central leaning leftist

Would you two just fuck already?
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You're not the best troll gimmick account I've ever seen, so you should probably stop posting forever. Making topics is clearly a poor use of your time.
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I'm a Whig.
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CTLM posted...

Still depends on the cause. Did the heart stop? Allergic reaction? Was it a reaction with another medication?

You die because you accidentally cut yourself on the pill bottle and bleed to death.
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I demand a middle option.

My mother was pretty strongly religious, but more in her own observation than in trying to proselytize to others. My father was an atheist, mostly out of psychological self-defense from fighting in Vietnam (his mindset was basically "I've killed people, so that means I'm going to hell, so I'm going to convince myself there's no hell, no afterlife, and no god."

I went to church and Sunday School as a kid (I actually helped teach Sunday School for a year at one point), but there was always that corollary of "Yeah, well, you know, maybe none of this was actually real."

So I essentially grew up with a very positive view of religion in general (and nearly every religious person I know tend to be of the "nice, caring, helpful" type and not the "preachy, judgmental, hypocritical" type), but at the same time never really related to it on any level and wound up eventually becoming agnostic (after going through my obligatory edgy teen atheist phase).
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lihlih posted...

LotR
SW Prequel trilogy

I'd argue LotR doesn't count, because it's technically not a trilogy. Tolkien wrote it as a single book, and it was split into three after the fact. So it doesn't necessarily have the deliberate structure inherent in most trilogies, where you have to establish distinct arcs for each third as well as for the overall work.

I'd also be tempted to say that RotS wasn't the "strongest" as much as it was the "least weakest", but that's just me being petty. And it's also bad grammar.
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

Battlestar Galactica

Damn it, came in to say this.
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Sci-Fi is easily my least favorite - while I've always liked Isaac Asimov, I tend to not really get into sci-fi unless it's hardcore time travel stuff or really Science Fantasy in disguise (which really isn't sci-fi no matter what pop culture in general thinks).

The other two are harder to choose from - I do like comic book/superhero stories (and I've been a hardcore comic geek for like 35 years), but that can be really touch-and-go. I've disliked most of what Marvel and DC have been doing for the last decade or so in the actual comics, and there really isn't much by third-party publishers that appeals to me at all right now (though I loved Valiant in the past, before it went to shit). And I've never really strayed too far from the superhero genre - lots of people love comics that push the envelope, or deal with radically different genres, or which are deconstructionist narratives about why comics suck, but that's never appealed to me all that much.

But with fantasy, there's a LOT of terrible genre trash out there. For every 1 good fantasy novel there's about 999 bad ones. Which can make it harder to really get into new stuff. Fantasy movies tend to be a safer bet, but there's still a fair number of terrible ones there as well.

I have noticed that I've mostly stopped reading comics entirely, and I read far fewer fantasy novels than I used to. Aside from the occasional re-reading of stuff I read years ago, I'm mostly reading academic historical stuff now (like right now, I just finished reading about the old Persian Empire, and I've started reading something on the Peloponnesian War). Most of my comic/fantasy interest at this point is more based on stuff from years/decades ago than anything new. Or stuff like the Marvel movies.

I suppose if I had to pick one, I'd probably have to pick fantasy, just because I DO still tend to favor that as a setting in RPGs.
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NejiHyuga900 posted...

The most epic game of Uno ever!

I BEG TO DIFFER, SIR!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6290024
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-bvbdUc8E
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The Mad Magazine board game did, but good luck finding that one these days.

The one fun thing about that one is that there was a $1,329,063.00 bill that was completely and utterly worthless in play, and existed solely so the Banker could try and steal it from the Bank without being noticed by the other players.
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