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Voxwik posted...

The problem there is it makes it sound as if the default is that they don't.

That is the crux of the movement, yes. The underlying sentiment is that the deaths of black people at the hands of police have been ignored and/or dismissed for too long and that the time has come to do something about it and stop letting the world act like black lives don't matter. The movement has since expanded into broader concerns about police brutality, corruption, and prejudice than specifically examples that only affect black people, since there's plenty more to be concerned about, but the sentiment of black communities feeling like the world doesn't think their lives matter is where it all began and where the name came from.

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Revelation34 posted...

They were ordered to "clear the area" but did it the wrong way.

Anyone who thinks "clear the area" means "try to murder an old man with a walker" really shouldn't have a job that gives them any kind of power or authority.

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agesboy posted...

melee is ruins, ranged is tokyo, tech is forest

ranged holding everyone back.....................

Which is even more frustrating because Gunner has it built in and that means Ranger is the only one that would use it (and I guess Bow Bravers).

Cradle of Darkness popped up as a random urgent just now. I started it up, but nobody joined the party right away so I tried soloing it. I apparently cannot solo SH Cradle of Darkness just yet (timed out at the Falz Hand/Persona fight that I believe was right before the aircraft controller in area 2, not sure how much more there was to get through after that), though I got some pretty nice experience and weapon badge drops from trying. Fun times.

Is there any way to get a starting batch of SHAQ capsules for free like there was for VHAQ ones? Or do I just have to spend the 700k it'll cost to buy 10?

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agesboy posted...

but yeah, some of the things they've left out are downright stupid. like the best left side ring for almost everyone is a ring called perfect keeper melee/ranged/tech that boosts damage done by a percentage when you're above 75% hp, and I'm pretty sure it was around really early on. but it isn't in na! why! it doesn't even alter playstyles!

What materials does it use? As I understand, needing stuff from Earth is the only reason the DS ring isn't in yet, so that might be the issue there.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

He designs the characters for the games he directs. In fact he started out as a character designer. He even designs characters for games he doesn't direct.

And then there was his interpretation of Batman:
https://www.polygon.com/2014/7/24/5932343/batman-final-fantasy-designer-tetsuya-nomura-kingdom-hearts

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That's good to know.

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OhhhJa posted...

I was under the impression that part of that reform is the cops are bad because they enforce bad laws or something

How would reforming the police fix the bad laws? Police don't write laws. The call for reform is based on excessive use of force and a failure to properly hold police accountable for causing unnecessary injuries or deaths due to rampant corruption. Where on earth did you get that impression?

OhhhJa posted...

Either way, if you can't see a contradiction between saying we need police reform and then saying we need them to police free expression then there's no helping you

There is no contradiction. We need police reform because there isn't enough oversight to prevent abuses of power that are killing people. Arresting people that are violating the law, however, is simply doing their job. If the cops who arrested this guy kneeled on his neck for eight minutes, then that would be a problem (the exact problem that's being protested, incidentally), but simply arresting him is exactly what's supposed to happen in a country where flagrantly being a racist dickwad is illegal.

Now, because due process, he goes to court on charges of hate speech, probably tries to defend them as free expression, the judge laughs at him because he obviously knew exactly what he was doing, and he probably ends up sentenced to community service and a very short jail term with credit for time served (which will almost certainly mean he goes home within a week or two of the sentencing hearing). As much as merkins like to think Canada's hate speech laws make them some kind of insane communist dictatorship that ships people off to gulags for not saying "sorry" often enough, they really are only ever invoked in the most egregious of cases, and the penalties associated with them are generally quite reasonable. This guy's going to suffer substantially more in his personal life for having made such a public statement of "I'm a racist dickwad" than he will from any formal legal consequences.

OhhhJa posted...

Apparently you didn't notice there wasn't a question mark thereby reinforcing my point that you seem to have a reading or critical thinking problem.

There was a question mark after the question I asked you (which I then reiterated because you failed to answer it). Where else would there need to be a question mark for this conversation to make sense?

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agesboy posted...

we'll eventually be able to jam rings into them

I get that Sega doesn't want to give us all of the content at once so that they can keep people engaged by adding new stuff over time, but I'm a little annoyed by some of the things they've left out because they seem to be so incredibly helpful for so many builds. Crafting mechanics shouldn't be something we have to wait for, especially where they haven't shared any sort of road map for content releases. I'm also interested in DS Fighter, but that basically requires the DS ring, which isn't in the game yet because why would a build-defining ring be in the game (I know the mats come from a yet-unreleased zone and that's why it isn't there, but I would think that'd be easy enough to tweak).

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OhhhJa posted...

Try reading next time

Yes, that is what I suggested.

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OhhhJa posted...

Calling people bootlickers and then supporting having people arrested for wearing face paint is total hypocrisy.

adjl posted...

How exactly do you get from "police brutality is a serious problem that needs to stop" to "police shouldn't exist at all"? That being about the only way you could call that hypocrisy, after all.

Let's try this again.

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Completely getting rid of police with no replacement would be stupid. Completely getting rid of existing police forces and rebuilding them from the ground up to purge the corruption that keeps so many cops from facing the justice they deserve is an idea with more merit. That's still going to require some major systematic changes (particularly some form of oversight) to prevent the same problems from coming back, and the transition has the potential to be chaotic and dangerous, but it's not a bad idea.

The idea I've seen more commonly is to shrink and defund police forces considerably and reallocate the funds to endeavours that have been demonstrated countless times to have a greater positive impact than more, better-armed police do, such as housing, community mental health supports, and other such community-focused services. Treating the root causes of crime generally has better outcomes than more harshly punishing the crimes themselves, and increasingly militarizing police forces only accomplishes the latter. Quite simply, police are being given too much responsibility, including responsibility for problems that guns aren't necessarily the best solution to, and fixing that means funding other services instead and moving away from the knee-jerk reaction of calling the police to deal with a problem.

There will still be a need for a police force, obviously. There will always be a need for a police force. That force just doesn't have to be the only entity responsible for addressing crime.

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Zeus posted...

If he was harboring fugitives (or at least people who have troubles with the law?), wouldn't the landlord be compelled to evict?

It's not always this easy to invoke Godwin's Law, but when it is, I feel it's a shame to pass up the opportunity.

Heil!

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wwinterj25 posted...

Nope. People who cry about it now will always cry about it no matter what.

Pretty much. Everyone that wants to understand already understands (or can have it explained/learn for themselves very easily). The people raising a stink about the strict semantics of the name aren't people who genuinely can't understand, but rather people who don't want to understand. Fix the semantics, and they'll find something else to nitpick because they don't have the balls to openly admit that they oppose the movement.

The name isn't perfect, no, but that's simply the nature of the beast when you're dealing with movements that grow wthout any kind of cohesive leadership. English is full of words and names whose meaning doesn't perfectly align with their literal morphological interpretation. Everyone manages nonetheless, so one more isn't going to make a significant difference one way or the other.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

saying only one thing implies that is the only one that matters.

Does "save the rainforest" imply that no other biomes should be preserved? Does "save the whales" imply that no other animal should be preserved? Does "end breast cancer" imply that no other cancers need to be ended? Does "I'd like a cheeseburger" imply that mcnuggets don't matter?

Saying only one thing implies that that thing is the only one currently being discussed. Nothing more. If you want to introduce other things into the discussion that you feel are relevant, go for it, but do so by drawing on context to demonstrate that relevance and build the discussion, not by shutting down discussion by saying "other stuff also matters stop being so close-minded" and ignoring everything else they have to say.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

you can't expect the police to be the ones to hand out the olive branch,

Their job is literally to "keep the peace." They have a professional responsibility to do exactly that. Yes, you can expect them to be the ones to offer the olive branch, because if they don't, they aren't doing their job and should be fired. That's just basic professionalism.

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OhhhJa posted...

Leftists entire worldview is based on contradictions

"You're a bootlicker if you support the police!"

"Officer, please arrest this man for hurting my feelings!"

The blatant hypocrisy is astounding

How exactly do you get from "police brutality is a serious problem that needs to stop" to "police shouldn't exist at all"? That being about the only way you could call that hypocrisy, after all.

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agesboy posted...

i think the last two chapters entirely were added after the fact for omnibus for some reason, I remember an arks tournament chapter being optional and that was it

It went basically like this:

-Dark Falz Elder is resurrected and the rest of the collective is introduced. Cool, good spot to transition into a new episode.
-For no apparent reason, now Seana is hanging out in a new zone where Elder is also chilling so you can learn about her past and then fight him again. Interesting aside, but the next episode can start now.
-Now we have a tournament because reasons and also Afin meets his possessed sister
-Another quest where Afin confronts his possessed sister. Another subplot wrapped up, next episode now?
-Nope. Now we get to have Quna and Haddred's story actually explained instead of her just being this mysterious wandering assassin lady. Also introduces the Photoners, Laboratory, and Luther, setting up a new arc. Now it's Episode 2.

I'm sure all of these side plots (especially the last one) will tie into the overall story eventually, but the way they were delivered just seemed like such complete afterthoughts, tacked on after the obvious climax like that.

Also, apparently adding extra font effects inside spoiler tags gets messy. How vexing.

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agesboy posted...

you gather more over time as it ranks it but it never stops sucking wholly

That's about what I figured. Great. Guess I'll farm up some materials to make food that will help out, since some of those bonuses seem pretty solid. How many different foods can you stack? It explicitly says each dish doesn't stack with itself, but could I, say, eat multiple dishes that increase mineral rate?

On another note, I finally finished Episode 1. The story did indeed get somewhat interesting, but I'm really not a fan of this approach to storytelling. That episode also had more endings than a Tchaikovsky piece. There were so many points where I was like "okay, on to episode 2 now," only to start up yet another subplot that needed resolution. Guess I'll see what Episode 2 is like, since at least now there's a more concrete direction to it.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

yet we don't blame the Germans, French and Norse for any failing.

*Looks at the entire Brexit movement*

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If anything, I've probably lost a bit of weight due to being a bit stingier with my meals. Shopping two weeks at a time for two people with only one fridge/freezer combo means space is at a bit of a premium, plus I'm generally trying to be more frugal because I haven't been working (just got back three weeks ago and am still only working 6-10 hours a week) and I don't want to rely too heavily on CERB. On the other hand, I'm no longer walking 5+ km a day to school/work, so my caloric needs are a bit down, so maybe I'm breaking even (I haven't actually weighed myself in quite some time). All I know is that I'm periodically feeling undernourished and like I should be eating more, which probably means I'm getting less calories than I need for maintenance.

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When a mommy proto-aristocrat loves a daddy proto-aristocrat...

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ninja_lootz posted...

They were called terrorists for spreading Corona.

The ones deliberately spreading it (or threatening to)? Yes. This includes coughing on people, licking elevator buttons, and other such actions that were deliberately meant to cause fear, discomfort, and/or illness among everyone subjected to the behaviour. The terrorism charges laid against such people were pretty legitimate. The people out protesting the lockdowns were idiots, but outside of the ones threatening violence, not terrorists.

Smarkil posted...

Evidently not considering they weren't arrested and no one has been charged with anything.

adjl posted...

That was objectively terrorism, legal or otherwise.

That the law is inadequate to properly prosecute them for it doesn't change the practical reality of what they did.

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xjayguyx posted...

I don't care if Trudeau apologized for it, he's a hypocrite

That's... not what hypocrisy means. If he apologized for it but continued to do it, sure, but doing something and then later recognizing that it's wrong is personal growth, not hypocrisy.

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xjayguyx posted...

Trudeau wore blackface more than once and he hardly got any heat from it.

Except for the part where he very obviously did get heat for it. Did you spend the entire latter half of last year under a rock?

xjayguyx posted...

this guy gets arrested for it.

It's almost like there's a difference between doing it as part of a halloween costume many years ago and subsequently apologizing for it (both in word and in deed), and deliberately and unapologetically wearing it to an anti-racism protest. Funny how that works. There is absolutely no question what statement this guy was trying to make with this action, and he's being treated accordingly. Fair, next.

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Muscles posted...

Who is it hurting? Other than their own reputation

Victimless crimes aren't real crimes

Why are death threats illegal?

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Zeus posted...

Freedom of expression is generally illegal in Canada, unless it comports with state-sanctioned guidelines.

Guidelines that mostly boil down to "don't be an insufferable dick in extremely obvious ways," which are pretty easy for most people to follow. As long as you aren't showing up to an anti-racism rally in blackface or erecting a burning cross on somebody's yard, you generally aren't going to run afoul of hate speech laws.

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Zeus posted...

olwut? Wanting to defend your homes isn't prejudiced or authoritarian

"We'll shoot you if you walk on our street" certainly is.

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pionear posted...

Heh, I wonder if the cop lawyer will use this as a defense...WTF

I mean, they've already tried "he had an underlying heart condition that killed him as a result of the struggle." so I wouldn't put it past them.

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DrYuya posted...

People too bored to do something better with their time and people who aren't is the only real distinction that matters for most things.

You don't think "people who aren't committing vandalism" and "people who are committing vandalism" is a practically significant distinction?

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Is there any way to make gathering suck less? Being able to harvest only 10 times every like 5 hours is pretty miserable, especially with such a low chance to get the materials needed to upgrade rings. I know there are dishes that can be cooked to increase the chance of getting minerals, and I've seen reasonable success using fishing to trigger a fever before hitting up a gathering node (to avoid wasting gathering stamina outside of fever), but other than that it just seems like a major slog.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Also finally bothered trying to upgrade my healing ring. I wonder what gets buffed after you hit level 10 since that should max out the activation threshold.

If it's the passive regen ring, after level 10 levelling it up increases the amount it heals and possibly reduces the healing interval (I don't really remember off-hand).

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It really depends how significant it is to the gameplay and whether or not there are ways to manipulate it. If it's purely an aesthetic thing, it should be long enough to be possible to ignore as background (changing every few seconds would be pretty jarring, after all), but short enough that you can reasonably expect to see at least 1-2 full cycles in each zone. Generally, 1-2 minutes is pretty reasonable for that. If it affects what things are available, then the cycle should be longer to help avoid missing important windows, but there should be options to manipulate it. Xenoblade Chronicles did this quite well, where NPC's follow schedules throughout the day (helping the world to feel more organic) that affect sidequest availability, and time progresses slowly enough that you generally won't have to stick around for an extra day to catch ones you missed in a given time slot, but you're given the ability to adjust time to the hour at will so you can quickly check every time block if desired.

Now, some games rely on day/night cycles as an essential part of their gameplay. The obvious example here is Harvest Moon. In that case, day length is a question of game balance, where you want to make sure days are long enough to let people get done what they need to do, but not so long that they don't have to make time management decisions (since that's the central gameplay feature) or run out of things to do. In addition to that, you need to keep the cock moving fast enough to feel like you're making progress through the game. Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life failed at this last point, with really long days that just killed the pacing of the game (months were only 10 days long to compensate, but I still got bored and drifted away in less than 2 years). That last point aside, though, there's a fair amount of flexibility here, since the ideal length for a day depends on what the player is expected to do.

And then there's stuff like Animal Crossing whose central gimmick relies on real time. I don't really count that as having a day/night cycle per se, since the passage of time is the entire game, not simply a feature. In that case, it can be a bit frustrating to have to wait for stuff to happen, but that's more a consequence of approaching the game wrong (that is, like it's a regular game that you can binge, which I'm quite guilty of) instead of something you pop into once every day or two to see what's going on. It's simply not a game that's designed for "normal gaming."

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Veedrock- posted...

It's hypocritical af to group all cops together while separating protestors from rioters.

The fact that any given police department is a defined, organized entity makes that a lot more justifiable, at least when referring to any specific group of police. There are plenty of examples of places where the protests have not been met with unwarranted violence from police, but in the places where they have, it's reasonable to treat the entire police department as a single unit. Any individual cops that want to be excepted from that need to do something publicly to set themselves apart from their colleagues, such as resigning, publicly criticizing their superiors, or exposing some manner of corruption.

Everyone knows there are plenty of good cops out there. If they want specific recognition, though, they're going to have to do some good for us to recognize.

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To be a good person in the time period following their evil, or to be a good person overall? If the former, I don't think there's really any limit. Somebody genuinely seeking to turn their life around and repent for the bad things they've done can be a good person, as unlikely as such a complete about-face is and as difficult as it will be to make such changes while society is trying to hold one accountable for their sins.

The latter? Judging people on such a broad scale is beyond me, both in capability and in relevance. I'll leave that up to whatever deity wants to decide their fate and stick to focusing on what they're doing in this life right now.

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DrYuya posted...

All the same. None really doing what they do for any good reason, so no reason to lump them in differently. Throw the stay at home protestors in that pile as well...its all just nonsense and time wasting by bored people.

I mean, if we're going to be that broad, you might as well go all-in on it and say that there are no differences between any people because they all breathe. You've already given up any pretense of semantic value in the categories you're using, after all.

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It's funny watching conservatives pretend to care about blackface purely because a liberal politician was caught doing it (though they still don't pretend to care in any other situation).

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Lokarin posted...

Not for nothing, but couldn't kneeling be considered bad due to the context?

I have had that thought, but I don't think anyone's really taking it that way.

BeerOnTap posted...

Plenty of people not wearing masks in these photos. Close to one another. Shouting and propelling their droplets into the air.

#covidiots, I believe that was the hashtag used for months here. Amazing how that has subsided?

Do you really not understand the difference between protesting widespread systemic racism and police brutality and protesting not being able to get a haircut?

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BeerOnTap posted...

My sister did this to our mom a couple months ago. Is this the new thing to do?

I wouldn't say it's necessarily "the new thing to do," but in an age of social media where people share their stories about cutting out toxic family members, those who have always been fed the line "they're family you have to love them" are seeing that there's another, better option than continuing to tolerate them, and can find support and solidarity. It's always been a problem, it's just within the past few years that it's become more socially acceptable to do something about it.

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Sounds like it's probably for the best. As much as people like to think that everyone has an obligation to put up with family members no matter how bad they get, that's really not the case. If she wasn't willing to be somebody worth having in your life (and in fact actively worked against that), there's no reason to have her in your life.

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Addendum: Looting can conceivably be a protest if the entity being looted is specifically what's being protested against. That would more accurately be called "raiding," since "looting" implies that it's more opportunistic than targeted, but it still bears mentioning if we want to be really thorough about defining the three groups.

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There's some overlap between rioters and protesters (though orders of magnitude less than the protests' detractors would have you believe), since it's a given when dealing with something this emotionally charged that some people will lash out non-peacefully. Given how police are treating peaceful protesters, it's also pretty understandable that many would lash out less peacefully in retaliation/because of further emotional charging. That said, there are also people rioting for the sake of causing trouble, whether in an effort to agitate the crowd into a proper mob or because they just see this as an opportunity to misbehave with little chance of direct consequences. They are distinct from protesters, since they're just looking to riot and not protest anything.

Looters are completely distinct from protesters. Looting is not a protest, it's taking advantage of the chaos to steal stuff. I'm sure there's some overlap in "membership" between looters and peaceful protesters, since people are never that clear-cut, but lumping looters in with protesters ignores the fundamental differences in their motivations and mindset.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

YOU were the one who brought up the milk thing dude

Duckbear did mention it, actually.
mrduckbear posted...

SLASHING and STOMPING on food and water bottles and milk jugs!!

As I said, fixating on Duckbear's specific word choice is more than a little bit silly, but Rev cannot be blamed for bringing up milk unprovoked. I'll give him that.

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Zeus posted...

despite the fact that the hordes of protestors on the streets show that the measures we've taken have been either largely unnecessary or completely meaningless.

These protests have been happening for less than a week. COVID's incubation period means there's a 2-3 week lag in the effects of any change in how we're handling it. It's far too soon to use this to say "welp, guess the lockdowns weren't necessary!".

I know you feel an unceasing compulsion to play devil's advocate for some of the most indefensible positions, but I really think you should have taken a break from that before reading this topic.

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Revelation34 posted...

It looks like there are actual medical supplies in the picture but we can't tell what they are. That's what should be brought up instead of some milk.

Milk is an actual medical supply when pepper spray injuries are likely. Regardless of that fact, though, you should know better by now than to expect that kind of nuance from Duckbear. That's just not how he do.

Revelation34 posted...

Also they literally can't be charged for a war crime.

They can't, but the legal technicality of "they're not at war" doesn't change that attacking medical supplies and personnel is thoroughly frowned upon by anyone with a shred of decency, and is absolutely not how a conflict should be conducted. The police should be held accountable for those actions, even it that doesn't literally mean shipping them off to The Hague. Calling it a war crime - while not legally accurate - is a concise way of emphasizing how incorrigible their conduct is in this case.

That said, legal interpretations generally rely on more than what dictionary.com says. I wouldn't be leaning on that to dictate what they can and can't be charged with.

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ninja_lootz posted...

Yeah, no.

Compelling argument, but I can't say I'm convinced.

Monopoman posted...

Oh man you couldn't be more wrong if you tried, 98% of the people protesting aren't rioting at all you act like everyone protesting is out there to either break shit or steal shit.

That's precisely the opposite of what I said.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

You might want to read up on "Ruby Ridge".

Yes, there is precedent for holding the government accountable for use of unnecessary lethal force, but the scale of this is large enough that I strongly suspect they'd be able to get out of such accountability (or at least think they could and therefore try killing a bunch of people anyway). Regardless of who would end up in which prisons after the dust settled, protesters being armed is just going to end up in a whole lot of people being killed.

Smarkil posted...

Because they didn't do anything illegal. There's no law in Michigan that prevents open carrying and nothing that prevents them from carrying in the Capitol building. And the capitol building is open to the public. There was functionally nothing different about them 'invading' the capitol building anymore than a public park. Like it or not, that's the law round those parts.

And whatever the legal technicalities, there's no case to be made that they weren't threatening violence to effect political change. That was objectively terrorism, legal or otherwise.

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Revelation34 posted...

That's not how anything works. Using a product for something it wasn't designed for doesn't mean it suddenly becomes designed for it.

It doesn't matter what it's designed for. If it's being used for a purpose, it's a supply for that purpose. The bottom line is that taking away those supplies impairs first aid efforts, and that is a factual statement that you're doing nothing to refute. The semantics of what the products were originally manufactured for doesn't change that.

Revelation34 posted...

I said post a better source. Nothing ad hominem about it.

It is when it's on the basis of his character and not what he's saying.

Revelation34 posted...

Plus I can't watch his videos anyway.

Now there's a legitimate objection. You should have started with that.

JixHedgehog posted...

I can see how the bottled waters can quickly become projectiles

They can (albeit not projectiles that are overly dangerous to a cop in full riot armour), but that could be pretty easily solved by stationing an officer in the tent to act as security and prevent people from taking full bottles out of the area. Instead, war crime, because apparently that's preferable to having an open, cooperative dialogue with peaceful protesters.

JixHedgehog posted...

I'd also like to add that if they were setting up near an organized and peaceful protest then who exactly instigated the violence that proceeded? It wasn't the law enforcement

There have been quite a few stories where law enforcement has in fact instigated the violence, whether by committing some vandalism themselves and blaming protesters for it as an excuse, or by skipping that middleman and just attacking people unprovoked. There have also been countless stories about troublemakers showing up and starting violence that derails an otherwise peaceful protest, some of whom seem to be deliberate agitators (with varying, often unknown motivations), and some of whom are just dickbags that are looking for trouble. By and large, the actual protesters have been mostly peaceful and not behaved in any way that justifies the violent overreaction we've seen from so many cops.

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Depends entirely on what they're in. In a chili or pasta sauce, less crunchy would be better (though then I tend to mince them so their texture isn't really discernible anyway). On a sandwich, crunchy is obviously better.

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Zeus posted...

He's a person, not a dog. The more they talk, the less sympathetic they seem. Scrubbing photos of a kid they gave back for adoption just makes them seem like worse people.

Yeah, I'd be a lot more sympathetic if they weren't using such dehumanizing language. I get that people sometimes try adopting a special needs kid because they want to do something to help out, and that in some cases they end up realizing they aren't able to support the child after all and need to find them more capable parents, and that's okay. Parenting isn't always predictable, and provided you've put genuine effort into fulfilling the responsibility you've taken on, I'm okay with accepting failure and throwing in the towel for the sake of the child's future. But this couple? Using terms like "rehoming" and "forever home" tells me they never saw this as anything more than adopting a cute new pet to play with who turned out to be too much work for the amount of White Saviour points they got for doing it and they want to send him back to the Chinese Baby Pound. Bonus points where I believe they're now in the market for another foreign special needs kid to adopt so they can try again.

Though, saying that, I judge people similarly harshly for giving up on a pet they've adopted. Short of crippling, unaffordable vet bills that couldn't have been predicted, shirking the responsibility of pet ownership is also pretty despicable. But that's a separate matter.

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ninja_lootz posted...

No, because if you shoot at people that have guns they have a tendency to shoot back.

And that's a really great way to end up with an absolute massacre. Enough protesters show up with guns to eliminate the arms advantage SWAT teams have (which is already considerable and not about to be changed by a couple handguns)? The National Guard rolls in tanks and the military shows up to quell what can now be called an armed insurrection. Protesters - peaceful or otherwise - are slaughtered by the thousands, and the government can justify it because they were shooting at police.

ninja_lootz posted...

You guys called these people terrorists: https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1582099/michigan.jpg

No, "terrorists" was exclusively used for those that threatened violence, particularly the ones who staged an armed invasion of the state capitol building (and were completely unharmed and not actually charged with anything because apparently an armed terrorist threat is less objectionable than peacefully protesting). The peaceful lockdown protesters were just idiots.

ninja_lootz posted...

Then called these people peaceful protesters: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZiGFEAWAAAFUHw?format=jpg&name=large

No, those are rioters. Nobody's objecting to them being dealt with like rioters. The objection is to the violent response to people who are protesting peacefully. There are countless videos and accounts out there of people being shot with rubber bullets or tear gas who are very obviously doing nothing wrong. Riots are chaotic situations, certainly, and it can be difficult to differentiate between troublemakers and those that are acting peacefully, but there is no defense for shooting deliberately at people lying on the ground, or that are carrying an injured friend to safety, or that are simply taking a video from their doorstep (all of which have been documented occurrences).

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Rev has his head in his butt 85% of the time

I'm pretty sure he has a pathological inability to change his mind from the first thought that pops into his head. Every subject I've ever seen him post on, he comes out of the gate with some absurd, poorly thought out statement that he then proceeds to stubbornly refuse to budge on at all. Forget mental gymnastics, dude can't even touch his mental toes.

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