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Look. He moved off me and I didn't even claim. This is a guy who is just faking caring about a mass claim.
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The scum is Corrik but you're pursuing a stupid mass claim thing we don't actually need to do to figure out who the scum are, so I'm picking on you instead in hopes we won't waste the rest of the day trying to mass claim when we could just lynch Corrik or do literally anything else.

What further scum hunting would you like me to do based on the last few pages? I've built my case, and I think enough people believe in it that he'll likely be lynched.
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Oh okay. So when you say you read the game you figure out the entire game from a list of roleclaims. No wonder you're so bad at this.
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fire_bolt posted...

Everyone's too busy reading players and not actually reading the GAME

Well spoken by the guy who has not read the game.
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Reads are a pretty small part of mafia all things considered. It's also funny you're saying I'm convinced I solved the game when I literally changed all my reads between yesterday and today.

Also it's easy to claim you had 100% correct reads when you disqualify misreads for a little thing like claiming your exact role. If someone else claimed Triple Vig Doctor I wouldn't automatically assume they're scum, for example. Thought Corrik seemed p town last game.
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Yeah I don't think fire_bolt is scum. I mean Sultan revealing he scanned SBell town if for no other reason, but I also don't really think he's been playing in a scummy way per se. Just a bad way. He did this last game too though. There's a reason Corrik made a pretty compelling case on him when he went into crazy mode on day 3 in Godzilla mafia, and bolt was town and Corrik was town. I'll take lectures on b8 towns all day but not when bolt of all people is the messenger.
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When he claimed to have "caught up" I foolishly thought he meant he read the old topics, because why wouldn't you.
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We only don't have leads if you're not reading the game.
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I like how what I'm doing is being called a tantrum btw.

I'm just saying you're bad at the game here. Being pretty calm about it. It's not like claiming matters in my case. I'm not in fact mad. I'm sorry if I offended you. Get better at the game and I'll offend you less. FD even admitted he's bad at the game, so there's a way to get better, not going for mass claim just because Corrik of all people says to. Ironically though FD going with it so easily makes me think, to quote Chris, his SCUM EQUITY goes up a bit if Corrik is scum, as that whole exchange between them seemed like a scripted way for Corrik to abandon his case on FD.

But yeah not claiming can be good, even if you're vanilla, even if there possibly no more scanners left. We don't have scans but we do have data right now, so there's a bit more to it than READZ. If you need claims to decide who to lynch right now, you're not digesting the game. You should be able to determine whether you want to lynch me if I'm DEER Deer King Triple Vig Doctor or some random vanilla guy I looked up on wikipedia for my fakeclaim research to conceal my very potent power role of DEER Deer King Triple Vig Doctor. They're just words. Neither role has altered the game state whatsoever.
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Don't worry Scare I'll use one of my vig shots on fire_bolt he'll pay for exposing our precious DEER doctor.
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Yeah good call that fakeclaim gambit I made as DEER triple vig doctor was almost as bad as the fakeclaim you made when you claimed to be TOWN Good Player.
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Keep in mind the guy you're backing up made one of those stupid fakeclaim gambits, so maybe you should consider that his town acumen is not great

(also that he's scum-- you're the dude who said that town BP doesn't exist with SK)
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Also if we can stop the claims with me that would be cool. Like if FD and Fire_Bolt want to repent and say "you know what, I am a bad player. we can hold them off until tomorrow Lopen is right" I'm perfectly okay with letting the claims end here, myself.
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It's unnecessary today. There are solid cases on a lot of people and it's not lynch or lose. Mass claim just removes any possible ace in the hole we may have. Tomorrow? Sure.
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Goldberg vs Ziggler was a decent squash. I have trouble rating any match that goes that short at *** but maybe. I'd rather watch it than most Raw matches so I guess it's fair with that in mind.

Wish Ziggler got a bit more offense but I enjoyed it. Glacier outlasted Ziggler which is always a fun statistic.
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Mass claim was stupid btw. Anyone who isn't scum and backing Corrik up on this is bad.
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I claim some flamboyant dude who thinks he's the greatest.

Seems like a pretty cool character

DEE-- TOWN Vanilla
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I encourage hammering Corrik

Let's keep this game's brisk pace going!
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Corrik wants mass for easier night kills cause there's probably one more power role out there, so is pretending to think there's a possibility of 5+SK to encourage it. That is pretty much impossible to believe legitimately though. Town could be at lylo on day 2 if there was no night 1 crossfire, on numbers. You don't balance an SK game with more scum-- you balance it with more protection. If anything you err on the side of caution for scum as you don't want the game to be unwinnable for town too quickly.

We have leads to go on-- there's just no reason to mass right now. I think he overplayed his hand with a lot of town thinking he probably was town bulletproof and is now paying the consequences.
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The majority of the players in the game do not find a 5 man scumteam plausible.
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Why are you so insistent on this mass claim

Town does not think this is lylo. Your feeling that it could be is at best paranoia and at worst a scumtell.

Move on and do something productive with the day instead of sulking.
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Well he's given up. Nothing like the last game where he was mislynched. No fire to win the game, just quiet resignation
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Revise your claim to DEER Bulletproof and I will take your hand and forgive you
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Sounds like someone is upset he can't keep changing his fakeclaim
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Well I guess I'm just more friendly as scum because we always hold hands in my mafia teams

I would with my DEER faction buddies too but we can't for obvious reasons
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Maybe he took his hand with like, a lot of force. Like a crushing handshake. That generates pressure I hear.
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Corrik7 posted...

You are just outright lying now.

You did post sirens. If this is what counts as pressure then sure.

I would say you've generated significantly more pressure on FD (who is now cleared based on nothing) than you ever did on Chris
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Hbthebattle posted...

Ok so this game:
Youve claimed that Ben is pulling a double reverse quadruple WIFOM and thus must be scum
Youve claimed that anyone who wasnt on Ben is likely scum because no one could have better reads than the great Lopen
Youve claimed that I was scum for pointing out there might be other reasons why you didnt die during the night
Need I go on?

Yes because none of those are parallels except arguably the first one. Also I'll note that there were 6 people that weren't me on Ben (I wasn't even on Ben!) so uhh, yeah, clearly not completely weird thinking to think he was scum because "why would town do that" is a legit play.

Also I've claimed you were likely scum for a lot more reasons than that let's not misrepresent my argument.

If you wanna talk parallels this lashing out is reminding me a lot of Godzilla topic 1 where you started trying to belittle my play by drawing parallels to the previous game baselessly, then when called on it you sorta just thrashed said some gibberish and I was like "oh okay"
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Corrik7 posted...

I said Chris was scum basically all game since the beginning of Day 2 until his lynch, for many reasons.

Yet generated no pressure on him! All the credibility, none of the risk!

You're talking about going on tangents-- I can't even determine what your main direction has been for most of the game. At this point I wouldn't even be able to tell you what you're going off on a tangent from. Certainly not Chris. You dropped that case before it even started.
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How is this a repeat of my antics there. Go into detail on the parallels.
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The posts actually read like scum faking being town because it's extremely easy to check that one place (the most obvious place to check, btw) before actually making the first post, particularly since they came so close to another in terms of time. Like I'm not exaggerating when I said it would have been quicker to just check than to type up your tirade about him being oblivious scum who made a slip and knew about a replace before we did.

It's basically like you're faking an "aha!" moment, because if you're town you're not needing to dig to have that moment after the first post, because you're making that dig before even putting your first thoughts forth. And if you are town, you're not realizing that you should check there mere seconds after making the first post.
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Corrik7 posted...

I have been the most outflowing with thoughts of my process all game.

I agree

Outflowing to the point of being completely unfocused and just scrambling the town. Just making observations for the sake of observations, then correcting yourself immediately after. That two post string about Hb where you rambled on about him being perhaps oblivious scum for noticing a blade replace for a paragraph then one minute later posting again and saying "no my bad" when you could have found that while going on that tirade about him being oblivious scum, and re-evaluated while posting and finding it not necessary to post.

Heck you spent several posts yesterday grilling FD, then drop it completely based on "breadcrumbs" (that aren't actually breadcrumbs)

Your reads haven't really had much consistency at all. There are words that you're posting to get to them but if you actually believed the words you wouldn't be quite so malleable and you wouldn't feel the need to post all the words you have.
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Corrik7 posted...

I noticed on re-read that I had basically no reason to have Mzero as town.

Sounds like your usual town clears though?
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I didn't literally flip the reads on their head

I just re-evaluated everything because I was probably on the wrong track if left alive.

Assuming Lea is stupid ass town, you make a lot more sense as scum-- the biggest reason I'd given you the benefit of a doubt is because I felt Lea was sure scum and that she wouldn't make that fakeclaim with you being a potential kill target.

Your play hasn't really felt very towny this game anyway. Not much fire in pursuing targets to speak of. A lot more town clears with reasoning rather than just RNG clearing.
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Hell if you don't want to build a case on me, why not IGCD. Why MZero? Why Scare?
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Corrik's reaction to suspicion in this game vs last is way different

This one he's kinda just trying to ignore it, sweep it under the rug
The last he went off like a crazy person trying to pick apart the people who were the most suspicious of him

Am I saying someone plays the same every game? Not really. But you'd think he'd try harder to make a case on me (especially since I'm being "opportunistic" with this lynch)
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So is scare the lynch you want to push for today then?
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I think "breadcrumbs," and I quote those because, well, who could possibly think that was a breadcrumb-- announce is just a common word that fit the context he was using it in, should not be good enough to overcome your existing suspicion of him. You might as well say I breadcrumbed cop because my first post was talking about being the bad cop. Actually that would be a better claim of a breadcrumb because cop is an actual mafia role and announce is just a word that may or may not be in someone's flavor.

And I don't think you're getting your claims so you should move forward based on that.
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I have a few reasons, actually.

- Claimed you counterclaimed Chris and were vital in getting him lynched, while you made basically no push on Chris. Jumped off to lynch me at the first opportunity. If you were actually town bulletproof I feel you're going harder on directly opposing roles than reads, especially since you haven't really pushed that read on me.
- Claimed Lea was town yesterday. Claimed she was possible scum today. Both based on very little. Having a strong preference between Lea and Ben yesterday is just kinda weird to me in general, really.
- Have town cleared people based on really minor arbitrary things. Breadcrumbs are 99.9% town, when FD didn't even really breadcrumb, I mean what. Hb challenged Chris's claim-- double what. I feel like town Corrik just says "this guy is town" gets obstinate when people disagree and leaves it at that.
- Kept drawing back to a light scum push on me for a reason you knew I thought was stupid and thus would not engage-- I think you're smart enough to realize Ulti did that to me and destroyed me with it. Then once I point it out, you stopped.
- No concentrated push on anyone at any point. Like who are you even supporting as a lynch today and why.
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Dantezoid posted...

I was so ready to post in on the ground floor, before I realized this was mercs 4 mafia 2 not mercs 4 2

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Corrik, if you're town, you do better

Analyze your own play. What parts of it could come off as scummy and what parts come off as towny.

What I have seen as lacking in your play this game is a real concentrated digging on someone, which is something I felt you did your recent town games. You're sorta just shotgunning opinions on everything, molding your opinions to that of the lynch of least resistance.

So I'm giving you an opportunity to dig deep, on the easiest target. Yes... your very soul...
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You're at -2, Corrik. And in this game, that means you could be lynched in 4 minutes

Time to stop this show of false bravado regarding a mass claim, as if anyone is listening to you

Tell us how you really feel
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Got em.
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Mzero, IGCD, join me and lynch this man who demands your role. Say we will not give it to you.

Oh wait IGCD is already on him.

Listen guys we need to put Corrik closer to being lynched for data purposes. I mean also because he's scum but how he reacts to pressure he can't brush off as paranoid ramblings will really expose him. Trust. This man will crack like an egg.
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Corrik7 posted...

If he is scum, he is being opportunistic.

I don't think opportunistic means what you think it does. To call you or Hb "opportunistic" lynches when I'm trying to build the cases from scratch is a gross misuse of the word.

And it's less an inflated sense of self-importance and more wondering why gravy, who makes half of his posts from the crapper about being on the crapper, of all players, was killed. Do I think I'm more important than literal shit posting if my reads are correct? Absolutely. That's not being inflated that's just being realistic.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Has anyone been fucking listening to what I've been saying

Remember Sultan mentioning he got a scan on Sbell, and then his flip showed he had no scan powers. Remember how Gravy accidentally posted after the STOP, which was said in topic one to award scum (and presumably SK) with a scan? Gravy and Bolt are town by this logic.

So I find this reaction really interesting the more I think about it

I looked back and only found Hb mention this once and unless I missed something no one even mentioned it again. With a grand total of one post on the subject, it's a bit overblown

When you consider the kill last night, is it possible that Hb was debating this with the scumboard and it touched a nerve with him because of that?

He was very quick to deny that my list of reads had anything to do with the scum night kill as well. This could be another one of Hb's "caught for the wrong reasons" moments!

Corrik is the right lynch today but tomorrow Hb should be really looked at.
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Corrik7 posted...

Unfortunately, Fire_bolt having broken logic that town can't have a full time BP means he is likely the last protection role.

Which sucks.

Also this seems inauthentic from someone who believes the FD flavor due to the link with SBell's flavor. A random announcer thing is not going to be a protection role
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Hb didn't really attack Chris's claim. Nitpick really is the proper word to use, there.
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