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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 11:12:08 AM
#134
Leanansidhe posted...
I don't see it as often in games where I'm town. So maybe I'm to blame for all the negativity!


You're joking but I think you're a very positive influence as town so it makes the game more fun to play

So kinda the reverse of what you're saying
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 11:11:07 AM
#133
Like if you want to talk about who is working with town and who isn't

4 town members opposed mass claim (me, scare, IGCD, mzero)
2 were for mass claim (fire_bolt, corrik)

4 town members were for Corrik's lynch in the end (me, IGCD, mzero, fire_bolt)
1 was neutral (scare)
1 was against (Corrik)

But yes please tell me more about how I am ignoring the town and the guy who helps divert the entire discussion into mass claim when a bunch of the town isn't for it isn't
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 11:05:27 AM
#129
fire_bolt posted...
Moral of the story: Try fucking working together with better players rather than trying to make big dick plays because you feel self important.


Says the guy who refused to work with multiple players and worked with the guy who made the big dick play last game and caused a mislynch by doing so

In terms of post count you argued much harder for mass claim than you did to lynch Lea, that's a fact

You read the room, decide that hey maybe this town isn't going to mass claim easily and work on your read. Maybe we lynch lea instead of you big dicking a mass claim out
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:36:52 AM
#120
Meow1000 posted...
It's like you still don't get my vote was to draw the hammer so I could replace out to begin with


So you assume because the first 2 hours of a day 1 are stupid that the entire game is going to be stupid?

Do you read day 1s
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:25:14 AM
#116
I made a mistake by misreading Corrik as scum

That is not a gameplay mistake. There isn't a way to play that better beyond read better. Corrik did nothing to assuage the suspicion and even began calling me scum based off the dumbest thing and townclearing scum off the dumbest things

If you play bad and make something that seems to be a scumslip due to how bad it is it's not on the person catching you. Play better.

Like 3 other town members in the game lynched Corrik. I didn't make the argument out of nothing.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:18:08 AM
#114
fire_bolt posted...
I'd been talking about an obvscum Lea lynch all day


Lol no you weren't
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:17:15 AM
#113
Conspiracy mode was probably net neutral to read quality imo. I don't start suspecting Hb without it and it made me trust IGCD and Scare more.

Caused a mislynch of Corrik but yeah what can you do. If Corrik plays that day differently I'm not certain we lynch him.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:10:32 AM
#110
Also I will say it's easy to say I caused the Corrik mislynch when no one else actually argued for a lynch. If I'm not there, who knows where the lynch goes. Probably Lea ironically on strength of scum bussing but yeah

Corrik was MASS CLAIM no scumhunting at all
Fire Bolt was Corrik flunkie who didn't care to read the game
Scare didn't do anything
IGCD was advocating for a Corrik or Hb lynch but didn't really drive it
MZero said lynch FD but never really argued for it

Like yeah it's easy to pin mislynches on me but if other people actually argued for lynches I do listen. When you're the only player pushing lynches every mislynch is on you. Every correct lynch isn't on you though cause everyone wants credit for those, of course.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 10:02:15 AM
#108
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen acting like he was blameless is hilarious when he basically handed us the mislynch two days in a row


If you're going to say anyone at all handed you the Ben lynch but Ben that's just you being mad that I catch you as scum every game. I was pushing for the Lea lynch that day.

Corrik, sure, yeah, but he helped by playing anti-town that's all I'm saying. If he cooperates a bit more and doesn't railroad town into mass claim for the sake of it and be completely non-cooperative about it there are other lynches Im maybe considering.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 9:59:17 AM
#107
DrPez posted...
Lopen posted...
All this talk about adapting and how you adapt your reads why not adapt your bad play as well as your reads

If town think you are protection fishing two games in a row maybe that's actually anti-town behavior and not like good play. Like if you're playing like scum I'm not giving you a pass because "oh well that Corrik is being cute again" because you can do that as scum too.


I wouldn't have wanted a mass claim. But it's not the worst play. With only one mislynch left it removes a mislynch target or it does nothing. I'd prefer to not force the protection out. I don't understand fire's reasoning that player reads don't really matter. But Corrik knew something didn't add up and it was affecting his reads. He thought another piece of information could clear the picture enough to merit outing protection. Again, not the direction I'd prefer to go. But not inherently anti-town.


Again not saying his suggestion to mass claim was anti-town

His complete railroad of town discussion into we must mass claim was. Multiple people he had town reads on said it was dumb, some outright refused. At that point you just cut your losses and move on, try to determine scum some other way. I was not 100% on Corrik-- I was also putting forth arguments for Hb and a lesser extent FD as well that day. He laterals over to one of them and I'm maybe playing ball.

And again it's telling that it wouldn't have helped him at all, meaning maybe he shpuld reevaluate his play. Made him flip a scumread he correctly had and I'm certain he pushes hard for MZero or Scare with everyone claiming, who are also town.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 9:53:27 AM
#105
Meow1000 posted...

But basically this town lost Ulti/Han/Blade day 1 by being a bunch of idiots.


The hammer doesn't happen without you dude. So you only have yourself to blame
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 5:25:01 AM
#80
I think the big thing is me MZero and IGCD seemed to be on the wavelength after that last day. Bolt and Scare were the only ones who could have thrown a wrench in, and only Scare was a viable mislynch there. But I think FD-> Lea were the next two lynches. Scare probably gets it together before the end game, or maybe is actually shot as maybe scum buys him as doctor or something.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
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08/16/19 5:19:54 AM
#367
I do think that was a great example of booking hurting star rating for me, since that was recently topical. Rollins just winning strong and clean over Lesnar I just don't really think was the right way to go there. Lesnar's mystique is kinda gone now between that and Mania and I don't really feel Rollins just magically gets it.

Other than that though I dunno just seemed like a formulaic WWE PPV main event to me. Not really sure where the hook was.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 5:11:59 AM
#78
Forceful_Dragon posted...
There were a couple of Lopen parts that were uncanny in their accuracy this game. That's why we tried to kill you and hit gg instead.

And so ironically us failing to kill you because of how correct your reads were caused you to reconsider your reads. So I guess you can thank Mzero for my bus failing


I still think reevaluating my reads increased their accuracy overall. Corrik was an unfortunate readjustment and without doing that we probably do lynch Lea instead of Corrik but elevating Hb and dropping Scare/IGCD off my suspect list would have had us win the game if the game continued I think. Really do think Scare was the only realistic mislynch left once that last day finished, though I can't exactly speak for IGCD Scare Bolt and MZero's votes
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:48:01 AM
#74
You don't know that. I imagine one of the town on the lynch gets off to put you at -2 before then anyway

And let's be real you also probably check in within 113 minutes
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:44:01 AM
#71
I mean you wanted a mass claim to confirm yourself by your logic, but people didn't actually want a mass claim. Like you saying "look this setup confirms me now that we've all claimed" doesn't mean it actually confirms you to anyone but yourself. At some point you need to read the room. You had multiple people you were town reading saying they didn't like the idea of mass claim. So why are you expecting mass claim will confirm you to them? They're not thinking with the same mindset as you.

Like if you wanted to confirm yourself to me, actually scumhunt like you did the last game when you were town and under duress and it would have went a lot further

The irony is the only thing mass claim did is make you convinced scum was town for a dumb reason. Even if everyone claimed we would have had a jailkeeper which would not have confirmed you-- you probably argue to lynch MZero or Scare at that point which they were both town
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:32:14 AM
#68
UltimaterializerX posted...
Personally I don't think any town player this game who voted me on day 1 gets to lecture anyone about anything.


Well I wasn't on you so I'll keep lecturing thanks
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:30:40 AM
#66
All this talk about adapting and how you adapt your reads why not adapt your bad play as well as your reads

If town think you are protection fishing two games in a row maybe that's actually anti-town behavior and not like good play. Like if you're playing like scum I'm not giving you a pass because "oh well that Corrik is being cute again" because you can do that as scum too.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:23:08 AM
#60
It is fire bolt that causes like 90% of the negativity. I realize b8 is desperate for replaces but I would try to avoid using him if possible, being completely blunt about it.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:17:41 AM
#58
red13n posted...
and no, mass claim was a horrible idea but it was also in line with corriks town beliefs.


Not saying mass claim made him scummy alone but like, the way he wouldn't take no as an answer was

And like, maybe if I play enough games with Corrik I realize that him trying to roll through town even when a bunch of players he thinks are town disagree with him makes him obvtown but like, maybe he could just not do that instead. Because it's as anti town as he was saying you were by not claiming when you were literal scum
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:13:49 AM
#55
red13n posted...
Corrik was obvious town the moment he tried to counterclaim chris


I'd agree if he actually stuck to his guns rather than just half assing it.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 1:11:19 AM
#52
Anyway you don't have to worry about me being negative for some time. That game broke me and I'm going to need some time to recover.

I just can't take both Ben and Corrik being town. That was too much for me. Like I could have taken one or the other but yeah. I really have no interest in playing games where not only do you have outright inactives anchoring but also hotshot "playmakers" anchoring. It's just not fun. The game should be about finding scum not avoiding mislynching town who play like scum.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 12:55:07 AM
#50
Like hell you had town reads on what, 3/4 of the unclaimed or something?
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 12:51:15 AM
#48
Corrik7 posted...
Yeah. It was me being really dumb. "Sure"


It was. You were being obstinate about mass claim instead of just accepting that half the town wasn't down with it and playing out the day. It felt more like you were just trying to control town than actually find the scum. And I think that's exactly what it was too. Get your power fantasy jollies somewhere else, dude.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 12:49:22 AM
#47
Also I think it's funny that I was one of the main proponents for early hammer not being taboo and I did none of them and was only on one lynch that was even early hammered. What the heck.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia End of Game Discussion Topic
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08/16/19 12:45:26 AM
#45
Oh well. I think we could have won without the hostility police coming into play. Lea, FD and Hb were all very much on the radar. I think scare mislynch was the only realistic one we would have at that point? Whatever.

Not pleased with that game. Felt like town and scum both tried to make scum win. Which isn't really a fun game to play. Like all 3 mislynches were a result of some member of town being really dumb.

Ben, Ben, and Corrik for those keeping track at home
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 487: There Goes Bracket
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08/15/19 9:16:29 PM
#362
Jakyl25 posted...
Rollins vs Lesnar


Honestly rating that at over **** is way more offensive than Goldberg vs Ziggler getting 3 I think
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 47
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08/15/19 8:31:31 PM
#27
Shang Tsung
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 8:08:03 PM
#297
MZero11 posted...
FD isn't happening today unfortunately


Makes you feel better I'm pretty sure FD is his scumbuddy based on the interaction today and will support his lynch tomorrow if I'm alive. Nothing about how the two have interacted today makes sense from players who have organic thought process. FD claims Corrik is a suspect of his, yet goes along with his plan and supports lynching you over what he claims is the sure thing lynch.

Third may or may not be Hb. Actually feel better about FD than Hb right now as scum, my thoughts about Hb's 'slips' aside.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 8:05:17 PM
#292
Anyone doubting Corrik is scum I implore you reread page 5 and how his opinion on me "moves around" based on my rambling. Seriously.

How does town have that as their thought process. How?
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 8:01:06 PM
#285
fire_bolt posted...
Again, I made it clear I did not have time for that in sign ups. And I did not ask to replace in, I was asked. I made clear to Pez when he asked I did not have time for that. You can blame me all you want but I'm literally here by mod request with the understanding my time is limited.


You've been posting here for an hour about stupid stuff

You could have caught up with the game in that time (game has not been super active) and it would have been more useful than trying to strongarm claims
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:56:53 PM
#279
Forceful_Dragon posted...
I've been all in on the Claim Gang since I got forced into it. If Mzero refuses then he is playing from an anti town mind set.


You making a poor play doesn't mean you should make it worse by forcing more bad plays.

Also I disagree refusing to claim is anti-town. Discussion is not stagnating by refusing to claim. In fact I trapped Corrik pretty damn well with my insanity move. Discussion is booming!
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:54:02 PM
#272
Cause it's definitely two or more, right?
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:51:49 PM
#267
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Lea, Corrik and one of Mzero/hb/igcd

Leaning Mzero but I plan to iso all 3 of them


Scumspect list does not fit vote nor gameplay

You're passing up a lynch on a 100% guy for a 33% guy. You're also (attempting to) follow the plan of the 100% guy.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:45:40 PM
#249
Just claim DEER faction vanilla I'll allow all of you in
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:40:13 PM
#242
You're saying you legitimately thought that I might be scum after leaning town on me because I talked about 2+ doctor setup and claimed being a 3 shot vig doctor, then towncleared me based on claiming to waste my role use for the night on dead Ulti.

I'm sorry you fell for my insanity trap but your watch will end soon. Once people read it. I'm sure. Like come on.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:33:22 PM
#239
Corrik7 posted...
If you were seriously claiming that you were scum


Like seriously

The man thinks that DEER Deer King Triple Shot Vig Doctor is potentially a serious claim because I insist it's my real role.

But wasting a save on Ulti that puts it beyond the pale?

What?

Jumping me between town and scum for that isn't an actual thought process someone has.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:29:52 PM
#238
Corrik7 posted...
You are trolling town.


Corrik7 posted...
Okay Lopen is scum.


He can't even be consistent for 10 minutes. This is very obvious scum.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:27:11 PM
#236
Am I trolling or scum

Commit to your read
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:25:16 PM
#234
What can I say I figured I'd try it. My role seemed p OP
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:23:53 PM
#231
Night 1 Saved Sir Chris
Night 2 Saved Ulti
Night 3 Saved Brohan
Night 4 Shot Corrik (2 shots left)
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:21:08 PM
#228
Lmao

Got em.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:20:13 PM
#225
To be fair I'm a conditional doctor. I can't save and shoot in the same night. I imagine most of our doctors have the same limitations. I've been saving most nights. Before you say I'm bad at it I did save Brohan the night he died but yeah scum assassin must have got him.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:18:40 PM
#223
I'm thinking there are probably 3 doctors. Maybe 4 though. That's why I don't want the unclaimed to claim.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:16:40 PM
#218
fire_bolt posted...
We literally used that argument last game to mislynch him, word for fucking word. Jesus.


Completely different situation. Corrik did not thrash about into this claim-- he claimed it well in advance.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:15:26 PM
#217
Corrik7 posted...
There is no doctor. I have already told you that. Lopen do you wanna cry and be wah wah wah anti town or do you wanna get all information out before us and make an educated Lynch? Because your whining is doing nothing but causing stagnation.


Two players have claimed doctor so far. Of course there's a doctor. Probably two or more. That's how you balance 17 with an SK.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:14:11 PM
#214
Corrik7 posted...
You have 5 people who have alrdy said they want ur claim this game. With 5 to Lynch. Hello.


The want my claim because they want mass claim, which I don't care to enable because it's bad play.

If they want my claim because they think I'm scum I'll reconsider.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:12:39 PM
#211
Btw Corrik claiming he is cleared if protection does not claim is a not so subtle way to try and fish for protection claims.

We can just lynch him based on his gameplay. No need to out our third doctor.
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TopicYu Yu Hakusho Mafia Topic 4: Mafuuken!!!
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08/15/19 7:11:07 PM
#209
I said I would have hammered Red because he was scum and town has no motive to not claim there-- he was suspected so you need to remove those suspicions. I'm getting votes for claiming for claiming's sake. I'm not suspected, and I think claiming today is stupid, so not claiming my actual role does not hurt town.
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08/15/19 7:08:12 PM
#205
Why do I know you're 100% town from that
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