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thelovefist posted...

For drunk drivers, tougher laws against drunk driving have been enacted.
For bombers, tougher regulations for the purchasing of bomb making materials have been enatced.
For mass shootings....

This is factious. Rules about drunk driving are focused on being punitive only to those that have done it and got caught. We penalize the drunk driver, but don't go on to penalize the bartender or liquor store clerk .

OT, notice I didn't make the car argument but the booze one. Booze isn't necessary for life and does lead to a lot of damage done to people beyond the drinker. The difference is, the left likes to drink. It deosn't own guns. So guess want is focused on and how it's handled. Imagine the uproar if you had to produce a mental health card to buy booze (note: I work in the field with the developmentally disabled and one of the hardest things to do is keep them from drinking), or after too many incidents with young people the age limit was raised to 35. You wouldn't hear "buh buh but it's not banning, just trying to prevent harm being done".
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Balrog0 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Taxes can be funny that way. Unnecessary tax burden can just mean we need to raise taxes (on the wealthy of course) rather than make [a drastic] effort to avoid undue burden on the system. Note the solution is the least inconvenient to a lot of people that don't make a lot of money but still want a box of twinkies.

In any case, doesn't this also apply to gun owners, and potential gun owners, in the exact same way? Or if not, why not?

Yes, but the question then follows do we vilify everyone for not letting go of something that the world might be better off without, or do we step back and realize that we'd probably fight just as hard to avoid undue burdens for fatty foods, for soda, for pot, for alcohol, for cigarettes, even for video games if someone were saying that some bad acts and death means these things should be harder to get or shouldn't exist anymore. In fact we do and have done so.
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Balrog0 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

You'll get a lot of excuses, but a reality to how people triage these things is to focus on what would come with the least sacrifice to them. Unicorns are more common than someone saying "I" have to give up something I value or enjoy because it might save other lives.

do you really think that's why people don't shame obesity? but obesity as a factor in public health expenditures objectively is a much bigger burden for most people than mass shootings, which do not directly affect them

Taxes can be funny that way. Unnecessary tax burden can just mean we need to raise taxes (on the wealthy of course) rather than make [a drastic] effort to avoid undue burden on the system. Note the solution is the least inconvenient to a lot of people that don't make a lot of money but still want a box of twinkies.
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You'll get a lot of excuses, but a reality to how people triage these things is to focus on what would come with the least sacrifice to them. Unicorns are more common than someone saying "I" have to give up something I value or enjoy because it might save other lives.
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Even without abuse, one can understand the burden on business to be ready for any disability that may come in at any given time rather than being allowed to focus on those that are a more regular occurrence for their location and clientele. I'm disabled and I don't see this as evil. A bit self serving and inconvenient for me at times, sure, but not evil.
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Offworlder1 posted...

TWOW ?, what is that suppose to be or stand for ??

I think he means The Winds of Winter aka book six of a Song of Ice and Fire aka Game of Thrones.
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Are we sure he isn't trolling to get the left to vilify something they'd advocated for and normally love?
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Uh, I'll take the 3. 90,000 seems like she'd have been doing nothing but have gang bang sex for most of her adult life to fit that in and I doubt we'd have much in common.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

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ASithLord7 posted...

I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

The right has made the choice that some dead children are an acceptable price for owning guns.

Plenty of people on the left say that they just want some more restrictions on guns but don't want to ban them completely. Since you won't prevent 100% mass shootings, this is simply a disagreement on what the appropriate number of lives is in exchange for an appropriate level of gun rights. Except the left likes get up on their high horse and pretend they're morally righteous.

We have no problem accepting that, because of the 4th and 5th amendments, there are going to be times where we're unable prevent or punish some dangerous criminals. If not for the 4th amendment, there are instances where police could have prevented heinous crimes and saved lives. But we accept this as a price to pay to live in a free society.

You could make similar arguments for other amendments, but somehow the second one is the only one that's ever under attack.

The problem is not "the second one"; the problem is you can go buy a gun on walmart no problem when it's a murder tool and clearly needs background checks and procedures before getting one.

Literally everywhere else in the west does it and literally everywhere else in the west is way safer as a result.

I've had to go through a background check every time I've purchased a firearm. I haven't bought one from Walmart, but I don't know why they wouldn't have to follow the same laws as Cabela's or a gun shop.

Walmart has also apparently stopped selling the "assault-style rifles" that gun control advocates are so against: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/business/walmart-to-end-sales-of-assault-rifles-in-us-stores.html

Walmart also does not sell handguns which are the ones most used in murders.

Okay then it's time to disarm america, you don't need your dumb guns as much as the kids need their lives. Fuck off.

Okay, so what about the 4th amendment? Do people need to be free from unreasonable searches as much others need their lives?

Careful, the side that thinks the 2nd ammendment is a waste, also thinks the 1st is outdated for hate speech. I can see them gutting the whole thing if they felt it would save one life without concern for the damage it would cause elsewhere. I'm sure the they'd love to wave the 8th for "literal Nazis"
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fenderbender321 posted...

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fenderbender321 posted...

Yet, Canada doesn't seem to have a problem with school shootings. So are guns really the problem?

Megaschools may be the root issue.

You know, you'd think that if we lived in a society where people used logic and reasoning to solve problems, the schools themselves would be the first thing we'd investigate and look for solutions. But nope...it's guns, dude. Guns. Guns guns guns! We just need to ban guns.

You see, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of students in countries like Australia, UK, and Canada that are sitting in class dreaming about how much they'd love to massacre their teachers and fellow students someday, but knowing that dream won't come true because guns are banned in their country, or because they'd have to go through the excruciating task of mailing a form in order to receive a permit so that they can buy one.

You see, if we just ban guns or regulate them, then all these kids who passionately desire to murder their classmates and teachers to the point that they make serious, detailed plans for it will have to call the whole thing off because it's too inconvenient for them to try to obtain a gun. If we can just deter this one silly little phase that most kids go through, they'll go on to live happy, normal lives as a productive and valued member of society.

I'm re-quoting this because I spent 10 minutes writing this only for it to be buried on the previous page within like 20 seconds.

So a solution to shootings, but one that leaves hundreds or thousands of kids still feeling whatever anger, depression, anxiety, or other mental health conditions to stew and fester until they do something else, or just suffer through life.

Shootings are a symptom of larger problems in American culture, not the disease.
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Well the first issue is the term collectively. a union doesn't run on unanimous vote, even as membership can be mandatory to work in many fields and locations. My uncle has had periods of wanting / needing to get back to work and earn even an unfair paycheck, but the union says no, so he goes without. Shared concerned with other or shared unions also has dictated where he's allowed to shop from time to time.

The rest can pretty much be summed up as "collective bargaining" quickly turns to blackmail. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how a business would not like a group saying "give us everything you want or we'll shut you down", but there's spillover impacting everyone down the line that causes inconvenience and higher cost. When these issues get protracted by groups more interested in keeping a fight going than true negotiation, the enabling device, unions, gets the blame.
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An exaggeration for sure, but, yes, I think people gravitate to socialism out of a belief that it will benefit them in the vein of more stuff for the same or less work and not the belief that a central government is the most efficient user and distributor of resources. You can say what it is all you want, but people love it for what they think it does. The fact it's a system that could kick them as hard as a capitalistic one if it was deemed for the hood of the state doesn't register. They just see social spending.
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As the old saying goes: beggars can't be choosers. I've thought such a program would be a good idea, not just to limit abuse, but to encourage nutrition in a world where the cheapest meals in the store as mini TV dinners and ramen loaded with salt and preservatives without a vegetable in sight. Unless he gets really good deals at the wholesale level it probably won't be a cash savings, but I can see the push to combat what he sees as a culture too accustomed to the system to seek [better] employment.

And the fact Trump causes knee jerk reactions aside, one thing the left hates is when someone wants to stop just handing money to the poor hoping they'll get their lives together eventually, but rather takes a firm hand to correct the mistakes and behaviors that led to needing assistance in the first place. So naturally they fight this because while it's rooted in good budgetary ideas (less junk food, generic brands), how dare someone control them. The government's job is to cover for all our mistakes until everything starts going good for us after all with no cost to us that need it.

And then they wonder why those working jobs see them as leeches.
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If you want actual tits out nudity, get the God of War collection.

Everything else will be at lewdest strategically covered or flashed out naughty bits and a lot of girls in underwear.

Oh yeah, add that Dead or Alive volleyball game to the list.
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Moe Chronicle.
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$500 a month on food? I've been part of a family of four that ate well on less than half that.
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My normal life plus a trillion bucks? Sounds good to me.
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IncredibleHulk posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

Funny how dems and leftists are only happy when something negative happens. Weird man.

You say that as if conservatives weren't chomping at the bit for negative events when Obama was president. Conservatives lost their mind when Obama wore a tan suit.

And it somehow becomes less childish and stupid when we do it?

OT, can someone point to something Trump said or did that might have triggered a mass selloff 'cause all we're doing now is laughing that there's bad days in Trump America.
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The extent of one leech on the system is a fraction of a cent per taxpayer. "The poor" seem to be numerous adding up to a fair bit more for each person. When the outlay is noticeable, people bitch more about not getting value for their money. And yes, keeping people not helping with the work of keeping society running alive is something many don't see as worth the money.
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I doubt many see great things about either, but the issue with race riots is that you're trying to make a case about deserving better treatment while acting in a manner completely at odds with being someone that deserves better treatment. I mean, do you really expect someone to say "well you willfully destroyed a lot of property and committed acts of violence, and that convinced us how evil we've been and what good people you are."
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Foppe posted...

Next step is to attack the person(s) that created the parts and assembled those guns.

Don't forget about the people who mined the metal from the earth that was used to create the firearms. And the company that created the mining equipment. They can't go unpunished.

And the shippers of the inventory, the landlord of the property, packaging manufacturers, the list of culpable parties goes on.
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Money issues are the cause of half my stress. The other half is a boss that already underpays me.
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I feel like I should make reference to some anime series of recent years, but I'll pass.

Incest has always had a niche. I once read a quote saying it was erotic literature webstie's bread and butter. Now it's moving into the videos out of their own necessity. Porn is an industry with a massive over saturation of a fairly homogeneous product. They need something to say this scene is different than the thousand others that will be released that month. A few years ago is was dress up like Supergirl or the cast of Big Bang Theory and role play. Now it's role play family and forbidden love/lust. It'll pass into something else.
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Notice she isn't asking for a job.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

I'm getting to appreciate the honesty: yeah we want inclusion, but are only included if you are giving up lots of privilege and property all for our benefit.

Makes me feel so much less guilty about ignoring them.

Yeah, same here.

Cool. Since y'all don't give a fuck, can you ask your brethren to quit crying when we have meetings/gatherings/etc. to discuss these issues and don't invite you?

This is the attitude that makes actually getting inclusion harder. "We want to talk about issues of diversity. By the way, you don't get a vote, say, opinion, comment, second glance, or concern for your well being because we want it all to be about us and us alone." People fight it out of sheer self preservation lest the definition of "fair" becomes "gimee everything you've got".
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I'm getting to appreciate the honesty: yeah we want inclusion, but are only included if you are giving up lots of privilege and property all for our benefit.

Makes me feel so much less guilty about ignoring them.
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Startropics: the letter you needed for the password to get through one chapter never came with the rental.

Might and Magic 3: even with the internet I still don't get the solutions to a few of the puzzles.

Lemmings: yeah, that got rough.

Too long a list of Comodore 64 adventure and text games to count.
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From some google searching:

Information from your last paystub can be used in lieu of an errant w2.

Without that, contact the IRS for a form (#4852) that will allow you to estimate your income and taxes withheld .
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ChromaticAngel posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

the cost is so negligibly cheap that it's pointless.

there is also a cost savings in not serving water unless it's asked for, both because you save water and second because you won't have to wash a second cup if they ask for soda or beer but everyone still gives out water anyway.

You think it would matter? There's stories about an old bigwig at Marvel comics so cheap he tried to keep people from needlessly tossing out paper clips. It's not a large savings for sit down restaurants, but every bit helps, and it could do rather well for take out fast food.
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Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.
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No. As I keep having to say here: wealth is not cash. It is the sum value of your assets, and in most cases is based in property investments and intangibles that gain in value over time.

So even if you could come up with a feasible way to distribute that, all it means is a lot of poor people that now have partial (and by that I mean a minute fractional) ownership of a brand name, a patent, a piece of art, or a mansion and the land it's on. They still won't have money for groceries.
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I think they wrote it that most of them were friends from a young age and they haven't been driven apart yet.

In reality, it's common for sit coms to use a cast of characters that wouldn't have anything to do with each other in real life and make the laughs about the culture clashes.
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knuxnole posted...

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knuxnole posted...

Becuause they'll never be good enough to be worth more than 7.25

You're under the impression most people can Improve or better themselves lol

They can

No they can't. Most people will stay the same for life.

Thats a myth.

As you know, not everyone can be smart, fit, or have ANy skills!

Thoughts like these are why I've been shifting right the last few years. At least they think we can be smarter and more capable as a species if we apply ourselves. It's naive, but shows hope for better The left seems to think we're stuck at our level of incompetence and we just need to keep us all alive. It shows fatalism rooted in fear of having to do more than you want to.
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It beat trying to get and keep ideal lighting levels.
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It's why Splinter of the Mind's Eye was considered a poor element to the EU: Luke fighting and holding his own with Vader well before the Yoda training.

Luke's journey seems more believable since , while he showed potential, instinct, and pulled off a couple of hail mary's in desperation, most of Empire and even Jedi was him getting schooled:

Rescued from freezing by Han
Fails to impress Yoda
Flunks dark cave exercise
Fails to get X-Wing out of swamp
Disobeys teachers to rescue friends that just save themselves anyway
Loses to Vader, only alive because Vader didn't want to kill him.
Needs saving by friends he came to help
Plan to save Han, while successful relied on Jabba not taking him seriously
Blindsided and captured by tribal teddie bears
Nearly gave into anger and killed Vader is Palpitine hadn't stopped to gloat
Sat getting electrocuted until Vader saves his butt.
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Howl posted...

Kineth posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

eston posted...

Pro-tip: if you stop using the term "SJW" to describe things, people might take your opinions more seriously

Lol look at what users are quoting that. All rampent SJW's themselves.

And proving TC's point. All it takes is 3 letters and "well, everything this person says is wrong."
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At her age, long term show planning isn't a good idea.
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shockthemonkey posted...

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shockthemonkey posted...

God damn, who actually teaches real, helpful, inclusive sex ed?

You know if you are concerned you could start teaching it

Its not nearly as simple as you know people arent being educated so magically teach them.

But you knew that.

I didn't say it was simple.

I was being serious. Is it something you've ever looked into?

Ive looked into what it takes to teach a local class and its not easy at all, and that didnt even the red tape of parents complaining that their kids are learning about sex. Both my parents were teachers and involved with schools even when not teaching and doing anything with sex ed is a giant hassle that will be fought from every side.

Kids can be a bigger hurdle. The article surprises me because I remember my sex ed classes 25 years ago saying this was possible (though at the time is was for male on female oral that was the larger concern), yet like good condom advice, some people just think it will never happen to them so everything gets ignored no matter how well you try and teach it.
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The show started out slow. I get they wanted to develop the cast, both parents and kids, better than in the comics where the parents were rather one dimensional and the kids were obvious stereotypes with quippy dialogue, but the full season dragged.

Still, as for the laptop, and while the show is deviating from the comics, this is a potential spoiler that may still happen so click at your own risk:

Alex is screwing over the team for his own goals. In the comics he wanted the Giborrim's gifts for him, Nico, and their parents and was willing to screw over the rest of the group to do it. Ultimately the plan was to let the others see everything he already knew, let them behave naturally while building up their skills and abilities as a team through some natural hardship to later take down the parents, then use his own knowledge of them and their weaknesses to take them out. Yeah, convoluted and improbable (I mean, it didn't work after all), but that's comics for you, so anything odd from Alex may or may not be part of a larger plan.
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The Admiral posted...

No one really cares, it's just an excuse to attack Trump and simultaneously virtue signal.

If it wasn't this it would be how he eats something in the wrong way.
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And they know everyone comes in rehearsed to give the "correct" answers (lie) yet still go through it all anyway. It's like "how well can you lie to us" while we deny you are lying.
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How often do you get new glasses? It's one of those costs that can make Lasik pay for itself if you do it early enough and break / lose enough pairs.
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Normally I hate people that demand a female in everything, but I've honestly wanted on in GTA since San Andreas to mix things up. Aside from all the normal stuff: Pick up John's for cash. Stripping QTE mini game. Maybe a personality a bit less psychotic than Catalina.
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Yeah, I sit right next to a 20 inch TV and still can't make a lot of things out.

And for those that say get glasses, my vision is uncorrectable so that's off the table.
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A major issue with TFA for me was realizing one day how little of the movie I and most people seem to really like, but how much enjoyment stemmed from speculation of all the JJ Abrhams mysteries. Rey's parents were one of those and when the answer was revealed, getting a mundane answer for that felt like a major middle finger, on top of it has yet to really impact her as a character so felt like a pointless thing to reveal as it was. I'm not calling Rey Mary Sue (yet), but it isn't a point in her favor on that front to go from "Mommy and Daddy love me and will come for me one day" to "Mommy and Daddy never gave a shit and left me to die" and just quickly adjust. (I really wanted her to join Kylo at the end).

And since the Mary Sue thing came up:

Luke might have been called that if we were watching ANH life atthe time but most of us now saw the whole of things and saw his second move of always needing rescuing and flunking his jedi exercise, and his third movie of sorting out daddy issue while his friends did the heavy lifting of saving the galaxy.

Anikan: we knew what was going to happen to him so what Mary Sue traits he had were tempers by knowing he was going to fall despite them.
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Hell, I'm looking back at low EU points with fond nostalgia now. New Jedi Order was a mess, but it was a better mess than the new stuff.

At least I'm not at the point of thinking the Crystal Star was better.
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