Current Events > I have yet to see anyone make an argument for why obesity isn't causing outrage.

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Heart disease kills hundreds of thousands of people a year, but we never see protests over this. This is a much bigger problem than gun violence, so why no outrage?
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Because it's your shitty choice to be obese.
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Cuz fatness doesn't generally hurt other people like guns or cigarettes or drunk driving do.
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because being fat is often self inflicted while gun violence is externally inflicted*, and external infliction is bad. Sort of how drinking is okay, but drunk driving is not.

*yes, yes, suicide by gun is totally a thing but also not what people are outraged about sadly.
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i think obesity should face the same scrutiny as other unhealthy habits like cigarettes
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This topic is at least four times dumber than you thought it was.
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You are seriously wondering why people dying from an unhealthy lifestyle doesn't get the same response as a group of people killed randomly by a psychopath?

I mean they seem to be in very different categories. Are you gonna suggest they tear down the 9/11 memorial to build a heart attack memorial too?
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Acute issues always garner more attention. A better Use of our time, if we are talking about long term cost savings, would be spent on obesity if we had to choose only one of these issues to focus on but chronic cases are by far the less sexy and harder to fix issues
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You'll get a lot of excuses, but a reality to how people triage these things is to focus on what would come with the least sacrifice to them. Unicorns are more common than someone saying "I" have to give up something I value or enjoy because it might save other lives.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

You'll get a lot of excuses, but a reality to how people triage these things is to focus on what would come with the least sacrifice to them. Unicorns are more common than someone saying "I" have to give up something I value or enjoy because it might save other lives.

do you really think that's why people don't shame obesity? but obesity as a factor in public health expenditures objectively is a much bigger burden for most people than mass shootings, which do not directly affect them
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Balrog0 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

You'll get a lot of excuses, but a reality to how people triage these things is to focus on what would come with the least sacrifice to them. Unicorns are more common than someone saying "I" have to give up something I value or enjoy because it might save other lives.

do you really think that's why people don't shame obesity? but obesity as a factor in public health expenditures objectively is a much bigger burden for most people than mass shootings, which do not directly affect them

Taxes can be funny that way. Unnecessary tax burden can just mean we need to raise taxes (on the wealthy of course) rather than make [a drastic] effort to avoid undue burden on the system. Note the solution is the least inconvenient to a lot of people that don't make a lot of money but still want a box of twinkies.
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There's no such thing as second-hand cholesterol.
That's why.

Schwarz posted...

Cuz fatness doesn't generally hurt other people like guns or cigarettes or drunk driving do.

Cigarettes don't hurt others if you're considerate about it
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Taxes can be funny that way. Unnecessary tax burden can just mean we need to raise taxes (on the wealthy of course) rather than make [a drastic] effort to avoid undue burden on the system. Note the solution is the least inconvenient to a lot of people that don't make a lot of money but still want a box of twinkies.

I mean, it isn't really about taxes per se, your health care costs go up when the system is burdened but the impact is less direct and many people are shielded from this process by a combination of tax favoritism for employer sponsored health insurance and the rising incidence of high deductible plans.

In any case, doesn't this also apply to gun owners, and potential gun owners, in the exact same way? Or if not, why not?
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Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.
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DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Uh, no I'm pretty sure that's not remotely the case. Not by a ****ing mile.

ArchiePeck posted...

DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Uh, no I'm pretty sure that's not remotely the case. Not by a ****ing mile.

Ok, sorry then.
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DeanAuryn posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Uh, no I'm pretty sure that's not remotely the case. Not by a ****ing mile.

Ok, sorry then.

Yeah that's just factually innaccurate.
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On World Health Organization figures, one in every four deaths in America today is directly related to obesity. That's a catastrophe.

Tbh I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad on TV about heart disease.
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People such as Low Tier God try to address the problem and they're ignored.
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DeanAuryn posted...

ArchiePeck posted...

DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Uh, no I'm pretty sure that's not remotely the case. Not by a ****ing mile.

Ok, sorry then.

This is a nice resource for you

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses.html
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DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Possibly, but not here in the US, where "gun control" always has "?" at the end.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
Being shot to death isn't even in the top 10, give or take doing it to yourself.

DifferentialEquation posted...

People such as Low Tier God try to address the problem and they're ignored.

IDK who that is. Do you have a link to this or something?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Possibly, but not here in the US, where "gun control" always has "?" at the end.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
Being shot to death isn't even in the top 10, give or take doing it to yourself.

That cdc link to deaths by age group has subcategories where unintentional trauma is broken down more thoroughly. Its a little more thorough if you wanted to browse through it.
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Should be
They are a burden
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MrPeppers posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

DeanAuryn posted...

Pretty sure guns and other weapons kill more people across the world than heart disease.

Possibly, but not here in the US, where "gun control" always has "?" at the end.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php
Being shot to death isn't even in the top 10, give or take doing it to yourself.

That cdc link to deaths by age group has subcategories where unintentional trauma is broken down more thoroughly. Its a little more thorough if you wanted to browse through it.

In any case in the US, or worldwide for that matter, gun deaths are a drop in the bucket compared to heart disease deaths.
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Fat people choose to be victims of obesity. People killed by guns or drunk drivers have no choice.

Fat people say "I think instead of trying to lose weight, i'll eat a big mac"

Gun violence victims don't say "I wish someone shoots me today"

Drunk driver victims don't say "Man, I sure hope I collide with a drunk driver on the road today"

Can we see a difference here TC?
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MabusIncarnate posted...

Fat people choose to be victims of obesity. People killed by guns or drunk drivers have no choice.

Fat people say "I think instead of trying to lose weight, i'll eat a big mac"

Gun violence victims don't say "I wish someone shoots me today"

Drunk driver victims don't say "Man, I sure hope I collide with a drunk driver on the road today"

Can we see a difference here TC?

This only matters if you value the emotional aspects of the issues mpre than the logical aspects.

If a person were to logically consider both issues, heart disease is a much bigger problem that a person should rightfully be outraged about.

The circumstances surrounding choice in these issues is irrelevant to the results, which are that heart disease causes more deaths.
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Balrog0 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Taxes can be funny that way. Unnecessary tax burden can just mean we need to raise taxes (on the wealthy of course) rather than make [a drastic] effort to avoid undue burden on the system. Note the solution is the least inconvenient to a lot of people that don't make a lot of money but still want a box of twinkies.

In any case, doesn't this also apply to gun owners, and potential gun owners, in the exact same way? Or if not, why not?

Yes, but the question then follows do we vilify everyone for not letting go of something that the world might be better off without, or do we step back and realize that we'd probably fight just as hard to avoid undue burdens for fatty foods, for soda, for pot, for alcohol, for cigarettes, even for video games if someone were saying that some bad acts and death means these things should be harder to get or shouldn't exist anymore. In fact we do and have done so.
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You dont have to be obese to get heart disease - its very common.
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Fat people get a lot of shit, its just not empathy based shit because its self-inflicted (usually).
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masticatingman posted...

You dont have to be obese to get heart disease - its very common.

This is completely irrelevant to the issue. obesity has been causally linked to heart disease so lowering it would dramatically reduce the numbers of deaths.
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There has been a push back against the junk food companies here in Australia. Most of the focus is trying to stop bad habits from forming in children (like banning junk food advertisements that focus on kids) but there is an effort in trying to combat it. I know Michelle Obama tried to make healthy food a thing in school lunches too right?

So people are doing stuff about it. Probably not enough but the only real way is to push it far is to target the companies pushing out the junk food with regulations and higher taxes. I'm not sure if people really would be happy with that either.
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Schwarz posted...

Cuz fatness doesn't generally hurt other people like guns or cigarettes or drunk driving do.

Of course it does. Obesity robs friends and family of their loved ones prematurely.
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