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Zeeak4444 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah Mal, I concede. only Liberals are closed minded while Conservatives are the bastions of free thought and never dismiss ideas without giving them fair consideration. you got me.

Sarcasm won't change that you can't find a single instance of right-wingers doing this.

Any debate regarding the religious right.

Any debate regarding the necular family.

The majority of debates regarding scientific progression.

Shall we continue?

Are you going to show actual examples like I did, or am I supposed to take your word for it that a bunch of climate change deniers once stormed the stage at a climate conference?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Mal's on his bullshit.

Nothing to see here.

Pretty much.

Well which is it guys, do you want Trump to be a dictator or not?
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metralo posted...

why are the usual suspects getting so upset over a movie with a black cast?

hmmmm?

No one is upset that a story that takes place in Africa has an almost entirely black cast.

Unlike many regressives who complain that there aren't enough people of color in Lord of the Rings, which is supposed to be a forgotten period of English mythology.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I guess Ill concede that more of Thor 3 connects with the others than I remembered, but Id still argue that not every movie needs to be completely and boldly connected as things like Capt 3 or Thor 2 or whatever movie you wanna list. It had some subtle connections and focused more on shit we didnt know.

I liked Doctor Strange largely because it was its own self-contained movie that didn't require you to remember who did what in a movie from 5 years ago tbqh
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Also not every movie has to push the overarching story further. Ant-Man didnt. Captain Marvel likely wont. Id also argue Thor 3 didnt outside of the end credits and meeting Dr Strange.

What about the Cosmic Cube? Thor and Loki, being in space, which sets them up to meet The Guardians of the Galaxy? Thor taking over for Odin, so now Thor is responsible for protecting the nine realms?

Also he brings back Banner
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Behaviorism posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Anyone who blames America for dictators in the middle east needs to read history prior to only 70 years ago. The place was always run by theocratic tyrants.

as a generality yeah. the US isn't at much fault for the types of governments that crop up there. but iran specifically was our fault. we ousted their elected leader and put in a puppet that served our interests over theirs. it was a huge mistake for us to fuck around there

Please. Ayatollah Khomeni is the cause of Iran's shitshow, not Operation Ajax.

You blame their status on the Ayatollah?

Yes. It really can't be denied.
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spikethedevil posted...

It's the second amendment as in something amended as in changed as in can be changed again. Why cant republicans grasp this?

Yes the second amendment can be changed.

Good luck with that.
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Kineth posted...

Pepys Monster posted...

Liberals want to live in a police state.

Ah, so liberals are anti-police and for a police state. Yes, that makes complete sense.

Never said they were consistent. Many of them say that only the police should be allowed to have guns.

Further, progressives (in general) want free healthcare, free housing, free tampons, free sex changes, and little or no work required of them. Where do you find all these things?

Prison.
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ThyCorndog posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Anyone who blames America for dictators in the middle east needs to read history prior to only 70 years ago. The place was always run by theocratic tyrants.

as a generality yeah. the US isn't at much fault for the types of governments that crop up there. but iran specifically was our fault. we ousted their elected leader and put in a puppet that served our interests over theirs. it was a huge mistake for us to fuck around there

Please. Ayatollah Khomeni is the cause of Iran's shitshow, not Operation Ajax.

uhh sure... except you know, cause and effect. khomenis position was only as strong as it was because of our meddling. the coup came first

Prior to Khomeni Iran was a pretty nice and progressive place in the 20 years between him and Ajax. I'm not seeing how an oppressive theocratic revolution can be blamed on that.
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Full Throttle posted...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/11/16/491A963E00000578-0-image-a-22_1518366006773.jpg

http://www.eattheweeds.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/nutria01.jpg

I'm pretty sure those are beavers
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LightningAce11 posted...

It was fun precisely because it got away from the usual crap of Tony and his butt buddies.

Though overall it was a filler film and didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

That's disappointing. I was hoping the last infinity gem would show up at least.
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ThyCorndog posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Anyone who blames America for dictators in the middle east needs to read history prior to only 70 years ago. The place was always run by theocratic tyrants.

as a generality yeah. the US isn't at much fault for the types of governments that crop up there. but iran specifically was our fault. we ousted their elected leader and put in a puppet that served our interests over theirs. it was a huge mistake for us to fuck around there

Please. Ayatollah Khomeni is the cause of Iran's shitshow, not Operation Ajax.
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Anyone who blames America for dictators in the middle east needs to read history prior to just 70 years ago. The place was always run by theocratic tyrants. There exists no country without a history of slavery and barbarism. Defending a place like Iran by saying America was also involved in these thing is beyond dumbfounding.

I wonder if she knows anything about how Persia was run 300 years ago....she'd have a fucking heart attack
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Where would you rank it among the others?
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Do you guys know why the gun control debate always dies right after it gets brought up every time?

It's because the argument for gun control keeps losing.



edited, changed the video to the full version
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Sweeping gun bans and going against the nation's constitution would easily be more dictatorial than anything Trump has done so far. By a lot.

Yes I'm using my self-imposed "one gun topic per year" rule for this. Fucking hypocrites.
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@Anteaterking posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Your source disproved an entirely difference study that was conducted 10 years before Peterson's was. You didn't disprove his study.

If Study A says "We use x,y,z to prove w" and Study B says "x,y,z don't prove w", there doesn't have to be a separate refutation of Study C that says "We use x,y,z to prove w".

Are you serious

Study B showed that they couldn't recreate the results of Study A using their methodology. Study C used an entirely different methodology. So no, a study that says "x,y,z don't prove w" does not disprove a study that says "j,k,l prove w"

Do you understand this yet?
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Darmik posted...

Lets have a look at the actual numbers here. Both numbers are the homicide rate per 100k people

Australia went from 1.9 in 1995 to 1.0 in 2017

America went from 8.2 in 1995 to 4.5 in 2014.

As for mass shootings?
Australia had 35 people killed in a mass shooting in 1996
2 people killed in a mass shooting in 2002
8 people killed in 2014 in two separate shooting sprees (one of which was a man who killed his family)
That's all of them

82 people have been killed in shootings sprees in the US this year already.

What

Are you trying to suggest that it's worse to be killed in a mass shooting than in any other circumstance? Shouldn't the overall homicide rate decline matter way more?
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hockeybub89 posted...

Or because we realized locking people up and stabbing icepicks in their brain may not be the best way to treat mental illness.

...Are you under the impression that we live in the 1930's or something

Darmik posted...

Considering the rise of mass shootings in America

The homicide rate has been falling drastically for several decades now, actually.

So what else do you got
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hockeybub89 posted...

"Incarcerate people" was definitely the improved mental healthcare I was thinking of.

Well yeah, there was a major dropoff in asylum patients in the 70's/80's because the thought was that all crazy people were like in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and were just misunderstood.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Yes we did. It was a mass shooting that prompted gun restrictions here. We havent had a lot because our government took prompt action to prevent it. The american government is doing jack shit and the people dont care

Right, now all you have to worry about is car attacks and child-stabbers.

Still, your statistic isn't significant. There weren't many mass shootings in general before the Port Arthur shooting so saying that the gun buyback was a success because there's only been a handful of mass killings since is beyond dishonest.


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Darmik posted...

Ok? So a kid threatens teachers at the school.

What do you think the FBI should do from there?

Put them in a psych ward.

Can they storm in his house and take his guns away?

Yes. Violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
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Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

It's not guns. Gun ownership has skyrocketed in the past 30 years and the homicide rate in America has been dropping at a faster rate in that timeframe than Australia did after they imposed their ban.

Because ours have a lot less room to drop.

We also haven't had a mass shooting since.

You also really didn't have any mass shootings before, either. So that's a statistically insignificant figure.

Also, 2/3 of the gun owners in Australia still have their guns after the "ban" went into effect. Don't act like your firearms all magically vanished.
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Darmik posted...

You also missed this question.

No I didn't

Mal_Fet posted...

Or people who were threatening teachers at the school he went to. That would be good.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

In the latter case, they can remove gun-free zone laws because all that actually does is entice shooters to target the areas where they know nobody will have a gun.

But if schools are such a powder keg, then why did you earlier remind everyone how rare school shootings are?

They are rare. But the shootings that do occur all seem to happen in places where guns are "banned".

But they are so rare, that is it really a problem? 99.9+ percent of students and teachers will never experience a school shooting. Why are gun-free schools and workplaces suddenly an issue for you?

All murders are an issue, you psycho. I'm simply giving you guys the most pertinent solution to ending mass shootings. It's no fucking accident that over 90% of mass shooters choose gun-free zones to do their killing.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Nothing is not a solution. It is the absence of one. "It's not guns" is the long and short of the Republican platform on school shootings.

It's not guns. Gun ownership has skyrocketed in the past 30 years and the homicide rate in America has been dropping at a faster rate in that timeframe than Australia's did after they imposed their ban.

And you're right, the solution is not "nothing". The solution is better police funding and a more aggressive mental health program that will incarcerate people with sociopathic tendencies like this guy had.
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Darmik posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

In the latter case, they can remove gun-free zone laws because all that actually does is entice shooters to target the areas where they know nobody will have a gun.

But if schools are such a powder keg, then why did you earlier remind everyone how rare school shootings are?

And clearly these mass shooters are afraid to die so that will stop them!

Shooters will target places where they think they can kill as many people as they can, regardless if they have a death wish. The Boston bombers didn't just happen to set off their explosives at the same day and the same place as the marathon.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

In the latter case, they can remove gun-free zone laws because all that actually does is entice shooters to target the areas where they know nobody will have a gun.

But if schools are such a powder keg, then why did you earlier remind everyone how rare school shootings are?

They are rare. But the shootings that do occur all seem to happen in places where guns are "banned".
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Heineken14 posted...

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COVxy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You keep saying that and yet you were never able to find a source that disproved his source.

Except I did, but you like to be intellectually dishonest.

Your source disproved an entirely difference study that was conducted 10 years before Peterson's was. You didn't disprove his study.
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LordRazziel posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ilovuuu posted...

kids getting shot at school is a price that needs to be paid for the constitution.

Are you aware that mass shootings like this are exceedingly rare and make up less than 0.01% of all murders?

Are you also aware that greater than 90% of all mass shootings happen in gun-free zones, like schools?

Curious how Islamic terrorism is when compared to all the murders in the world.
Doesn't mean it's not a serious problem.

The government can easily prevent terrorism AND school shootings though.

In the former case there should be strict vetting for all immigrants from at-risk countries and no chain migration.

In the latter case, they can remove gun-free zone laws because all that actually does is entice shooters to target the areas where they know nobody will have a gun.
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ilovuuu posted...

kids getting shot at school is a price that needs to be paid for the constitution.

Are you aware that mass shootings like this are exceedingly rare and make up less than 0.01% of all murders?

Are you also aware that greater than 90% of all mass shootings happen in gun-free zones, like schools?
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Darmik posted...

So just to clarify you're advocating for the FBI to investigate people who write death threats on the internet?

Or people who were threatening teachers at the school he went to. That would be good.
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How about the FBI did their jobs and put more effort into apprehending the psychopaths they were warned about in advance? Or are they too busy investigating nothingburgers like the Russia conspiracy?
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COVxy posted...

No, i remember you providing the only two studies he cited for his 'stand up straight and you'll be flooded with serotonin' rule, one of which is a debunked effect,

You keep saying that and yet you were never able to find a source that disproved his source.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

yeah Mal, I concede. only Liberals are closed minded while Conservatives are the bastions of free thought and never dismiss ideas without giving them fair consideration. you got me.

Sarcasm won't change that you can't find a single instance of right-wingers doing this.
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s0nicfan posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

both sides do this, don't act high and mighty like your side doesnt do this

Darmik posted...

Why do these conservative blow hards always challenge people to a debate.

I wish you guys would hold a meeting or something and decide what "conservatives" actually do and don't do.

@Giant_Aspirin
@Darmik
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Idk man. You start saying bad stuff about admitted white supremacists and neo-nazis and he always flies to their defense for god knows why.

Quote a post where I defended white supremacists and/or neo-nazis.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Report what exactly?

That they suspect a kid is borderline.
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CaptainCrunch posted...

That's... not what he's doing.

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CrimsonRage posted...

you didn't defend but you did your usual deflection garbage instead of just saying "man this guy is fucked up" or something

I've said he's fucked up in numerous topics now. In fact I said he's a good argument in favor of bringing back compulsory internment.

How many topics do I need to say that he's scum in before I am no longer "deflecting"?
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mario2000 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

mario2000 posted...

"yes" is not an answer for questions where you are asked to explain something

No, I mean you basically answered my question of whether this was just a topic to post strawmen, because you responded to that question with something I never said. Understand now?

Please circle which of the following symptoms you experience when the subject of race relations is brought up:

1) Hands become clammy and sweaty
2) Your heartbeat becomes rapid
3) You feel nervous and/or under attack
4) You feel the urge to change the subject, respond defensively, and/or blame "the SJWs"
5) All of the above

Seek help.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

as opposed to those historically open-minded Conservatives?

Yes

People like Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk...basically every right-wing commentator with exposure have debates with people they disagree with all the time, and guess what, no other right wingers deride them for giving the left a "platform"

Tell you what: for every zero cases you find of a right-wing group attempting to shut down a leftist speaker, I will find you infinite cases of a leftist group trying to shut down a right-wing speaker. Ready, go:





https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/01/leftists-shut-down-free-speech-event-at-uc-davis/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/far-left-mob-shuts-lucian-wintrich-speech-uconn-steal-phone-video/
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mario2000 posted...

"yes" is not an answer for questions where you are asked to explain something

No, I mean you basically answered my question of whether this was just a topic to post strawmen, because you responded to that question with something I never said. Understand now?
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CrimsonRage posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Mal seems to be going around and around trying to deflect from a white surprmacist group training a killer. Shocker.

I guess that means mal accepts that he sympathizes with such groups ? I find no other reason why he would ty to deflect from this so hard

it means deep down mal knows white supremacists/nazis are right-leaning and he naturally has to defend rightists, no matter what.

Uh

Where have I defended white supremacists here? Is asking why they'd accept a hispanic person a defense of them, in your simple little heads?
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mario2000 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Is this a topic where we all just post strawmen?

pls explain why Black Panther is a "race baiting movie"

I guess the answer is "yes"
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3deep5u posted...

No, I'm not talking about something out of Psychopass.

Yeah, fictional technology from an anime that takes place way in the future and is about how the sort of technology you're talking about is a BAD idea.

Great idea bro.
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COVxy posted...

Oh Mal.

It worries me that you may be a real person.

Oh hey, remember when you tried to discredit one of Peterson's 220 sources in his book by citing a study that wasn't at all related to the source you were trying to discredit?

That was hilarious. Props for actually attempting to argue against Peterson empirically though, not a lot of his haters even attempt to do that.
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Waluigi7 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Heineken14 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?

Was Zimmerman a white dude adopted by parents with a Hispanic last name?

Don't know anything about him being adopted, so I guess that checks out

Now the mystery is how hispanic parents managed to raise a white supremacist

Easy. The internet.

Billions of people use the internet every day without becoming white supremacists...
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