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Infinite 2003 posted...

This guy really hurts your guys feelings doesn't he? So desperate to discredit him at every turn.

The most hilarious thing is that they can't discredit him. Literally all the criticism I've seen is about him is ad hominem.
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Heineken14 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?

Was Zimmerman a white dude adopted by parents with a Hispanic last name?

Don't know anything about him being adopted, so I guess that checks out

Now the mystery is how hispanic parents managed to raise a white supremacist
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3deep5u posted...

Magic? Really? Have you ever looked into computer vision and artificial intelligence in general? Probably not. It'd be almost trivial for a sensor on a gun to detect that it's not being used properly.

So how could a sensor detect if the person you're aiming a gun at is innocent or a violent criminal

Smartphone cameras can't even accurately find people's faces all the time and yet you expect that in the near future they will be able to sense violent intent in the people on the camera as well?
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...

Starting the parameters of a study like this from September 12th, 2001 always gives me a chuckle.

Also they insist on labeling all anti-government nutjobs as right-wing even if they are registered Democrats.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

But he is white...

Just like George Zimmerman, huh?
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Heineken14 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?

Why do you think his last name being Cruz would have any bearing on his acceptance to a white supremacist group?

I didn't think white supremacists would be all that willing to accept people who aren't white, is all.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

are you denying that the group is taking credit for this? it almost sounds like you'r defending the group, Mal.

Uh, how?
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3deep5u posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Ok so you don't know what a smart gun is.

I do know what one is and can also see that the OP is writing off future tech in preventing tragedies like this.

What do you think they'll call these guns? Smart guns...

Definitions like that evolve as more features are added.

Oh I apologize, I should have known that you were referring to a possible future definition of a "smart gun" with magical bad-guy sensors rather than the present-day word to describe a gun with a fingerprint sensor.
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3deep5u posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Do you.....even know what a smart gun is

Smart phones don't necessarily have AI either, but more and more ship with AI assistants like Siri and Alexa. AI on a "smart gun" isn't so far off.

Ok so you don't know what a smart gun is.
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By the way, why would a white supremacist group accept a guy named Nikolas de Jesus Cruz? Are the Nazis becoming more inclusive?
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3deep5u posted...

gbpxl posted...

- require guns to have smart technology? this assfucker could've killed the same amount of people using a "smart gun"

No, he really couldn't have. An AI could've easily seen that he was shooting people and not targets or deer and locked the gun

Do you.....even know what a smart gun is
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GrAyFoX312k posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

How about imprisoning psychos who threaten to hurt people like the shooter did for years before this happened

Since when was that option off the table

Your sig kind of explains this..

You don't have a right to threaten people, actually.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Took 4 posts for someone to blame trump...lol

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence

Hey, he only reported the facts. It's stupid to blame Trump over this, but perhaps that decision wasn't the best idea what we've seen recently.

FBI already knew about this guy

http://archive.is/9Z5mu

Trump's cuts had nothing to do with their ability to monitor him
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Is this a topic where we all just post strawmen?
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How about imprisoning psychos who threaten to hurt people like the shooter did for years before this happened

Since when was that option off the table
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This guy is the reason we need to bring back compulsory internment into an asylum.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

_Near_ posted...

As a country we've shown that we're not willing to take steps to curb right wing terrorism. It outnumbers Islamic terrorism 2 to 1, but we're too busy trying to ban Muslims to care about that.

As a percentage of population, Muslims represent WAY more terrorist attacks than any other group in the country. 3% of the population producing half as many acts of terror as ~50% of the population does is pretty astounding.

So does this mean that police do shoot black people at a higher rate?

I have no idea what police shootings of black people have to do with anything, but

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

^ tl;dr: white people are more likely to be shot by police than black people in similar situations.

But are they more likely to get shot because they outnumber black people 5 to 1 or because they are white?

The results control for population size.
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s0nicfan posted...

Darmik posted...

Why do these conservative blow hards always challenge people to a debate.

Debate is a healthy part of a functioning society. I'd be more bothered if one group refused to ever engage in it, because you should be able to defend and justify your positions on issues if you actually believe they should be part of common law. They challenge people to debates because they believe they have the better case.

Leftists are historically resistant to having their ideas challenged.
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Kineth posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

_Near_ posted...

As a country we've shown that we're not willing to take steps to curb right wing terrorism. It outnumbers Islamic terrorism 2 to 1, but we're too busy trying to ban Muslims to care about that.

As a percentage of population, Muslims represent WAY more terrorist attacks than any other group in the country. 3% of the population producing half as many acts of terror as ~50% of the population does is pretty astounding.

So does this mean that police do shoot black people at a higher rate?

I have no idea what police shootings of black people have to do with anything, but

https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

^ tl;dr: white people are more likely to be shot by police than black people in similar situations.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

How could anyone except for a rabid fan of Zisek tell that was a bot and not actually someone typing?

Ahh this is a bad take and nobody even likes Zisek

Unless you go to leftypol or some similar subreddit where he's revered like a god.
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_Near_ posted...

As a country we've shown that we're not willing to take steps to curb right wing terrorism. It outnumbers Islamic terrorism 2 to 1, but we're too busy trying to ban Muslims to care about that.

As a percentage of population, Muslims represent WAY more terrorist attacks than any other group in the country. 3% of the population producing half as many acts of terror as ~50% of the population does is pretty astounding.
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How could anyone except for a rabid fan of Zisek tell that was a bot and not actually someone typing?
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-George Orwell

My bad guys.
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cjsdowg posted...

Well you said it was ok for the Maine Governor to lie

Wtf is wrong with you, no I didn't

cjsdowg posted...

and say that the enemy were minorities when it came to drug dealing

I have no idea what context you're using this under. My guess is you were unable to understand that crime as a percentage of population isn't the same as basic quantities though, is that it?
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EDIT: Story's fake. Don't believe everything you read on Twitter, kids.
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"You've got less spine than a spinabifida victim."

"STUPID F***** LITTLE C***SUCKER"
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ZombiePelican posted...

Was it Clinton himself who wrote those tax laws or did he just sign the bill that was placed in front of him?

Signing a bill is an endorsement...
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Musourenka posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Explain why it isn't?

Because it's his building and he should therefore be able to clean paint off of it.

Says who?

Says his deed.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Because they still own the physical piece of art, which gives the artist certain rights about whether the art gets destroyed or not.

If I let you play with my Etch-a-Sketch, and when you give it back to me I shake it and erase your work, how much of my money are you entitled to?
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Explain why it isn't?

Because it's his building and he should therefore be able to clean paint off of it.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Why should artists not have rights in regards to their artwork?

Because they don't own the building they painted on?
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ZombiePelican posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Does he also believe illegal immigrants are smart for not paying taxes because they owe nothing to the government of a country they are not citizens of?

Following the tax code isn't against the law.

Immigrating illegally is against the law.

Good thing they lobbied to have tax laws written in their favor

Yeah, fuck that conservative asshole Bill Clinton
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LordRazziel posted...

Haven't you said anchor babies should be deported?

Nope. I've said that jus soli citizenship is dumb, but I wouldn't advocate revoking citizenship from people.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Does he also believe illegal immigrants are smart for not paying taxes because they owe nothing to the government of a country they are not citizens of?

Following the tax code isn't against the law.

Immigrating illegally is against the law.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Loopholes to avoid paying taxes doesn't seem to be the same thing as looking for deductions.

The issue, as I see it, is that most us pay taxes and take the deductions that are widely known and appear to be fair in regards to taxes generated. What I mean by that is, evacuating because of a natural disaster seems like a reasonable deduction.

Corporate tax loopholes seem to end up causing a significant problem for taxes generated.

The "loophole" that Trump used to avoid taxes wasn't an accident of the tax code, he was using it precisely in the way that was inteded; by Bill Clinton who endorsed the tax code at the time, fyi. It's no less valid than a deduction is.
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Bio1590 posted...

So by "allowed to be more competitive" you mean "eliminate or remove the minimum wage", correct?

That's one good step, yes.

What's better, having a $7/hr job or having no job?
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think the take away is not that IF there is a loophole, you should take it. But he is our president. This seems to be more about class, appearance, and love of the country.

When you file your taxes in April, will you opt out of all your available deductions because you love the country so much?
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ZombiePelican posted...

There's no defending this at all, I don't give a fuck how you try to spin it

Mal_Fet posted...

I guarantee you that given a choice between two functionally identical products, you would choose the cheaper one made in Taiwan over the more expensive one made in a unionized company. Not that you would realistically bother to check which country the product was made in.

And by the way, it is not immoral to give a Taiwanese person a job. If we want more jobs in America, then American workers need to be allowed to be more competitive.
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mustang90 posted...

Well I didnt say every guy is like that. Just that that type of person exists and should we trust that person with a concealed weapon?

We don't. Federal law prohibits people convicted of a violent crime from possessing firearms.
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
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Asherlee10 posted...

mustang90 posted...

Havent been wrong yet.

So, your stance is that because some people are accident prone CC should be illegal?

Yep. They shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or reproduce either.

I mean, what if they dropped their infants like they drop their smartphones?
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

No, in fact. It is not.

Ok, explain why the ccw holder here should not have had his gun:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/man-with-concealed-carry-stops-slaughter/
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I'm seeing not really seeing many reasons why it's a good idea.

Is "because I wan't to be able to defend myself" not a good enough reason for you
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Garioshi posted...

People who want to commit burglary will do so regardless of what the law is, so what's even the point in keeping it illegal?

Because burglary is inherently immoral while carrying a gun is not.

Garioshi posted...

ITP: All women only wear skirts,

Oh ok, you're just trolling.
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DyingPancake posted...

So you're afraid of them dropping the gun when the probability of a loaded gun going off when dropped is extremely small? Thats a non-issue

Yeah, most every gun that's sold nowadays is drop-safe. Unless you're carrying around a single-action revolver with a bullet on the hammer, dropping a gun won't set it off.
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.Garioshi posted...

People in this topic are just making an argument for having guns in general, not for concealed carry, which is what this topic is about. Why should concealed carry be allowed in addition to open carry?

People who are ok with hurting innocent people will also be ok with carrying their gun concealed regardless of what the law is

And a woman who just wants to be able to defend herself in a dangerous part of town shouldn't have to sling a gun around her skirt.
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apolloooo posted...

-ass save system

Only people who would think this of KCD are savescumming coward babbies.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

And it's not like workers have a soft spot for unions, being the primary driving force for businesses outsourcing.

Sure says alot that American companies would rather greedily outsource the labor than just pay a fair wage with proper regulations to American citizens

I'm not sure if you know how demand works, but I guarantee you that given a choice between two functionally identical products, you would choose the cheaper one made in Taiwan over the more expensive one made in a unionized company. Not that you would realistically bother to check which country the product was made in.
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Really guys

Gal Gadot is Israeli
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Yea this seems like a good thing not a bad thing. Maybe just maybe the Democrats can win in the next election if they back away from being only pro minority and instead become pro American.

Only 10% of the workforce is in a union though

And it's not like workers have a soft spot for unions, being the primary driving force for businesses outsourcing.
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Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Owners do not have complete unrestricted rights over their property. The government can seize your land under eminent domain. If an endangered bird builds a nest on your roof, you cant just destroy the nest. And if you allow an artist to create a work on your property, you have to give them sufficient notice before removing it.

Explain why that is a good thing without invoking the law.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

He's not paying that to "clean his property." Painting over the art had nothing to do with his plans for the property, as it was scheduled to be demolished. Again he painted over it for the sole purpose of destroying the art.

So? It's his building.
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