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I don't think it's Poppy. Poppy's questioning was logical.

Why is cop alive and unblocked. It is a completely reasonable question to ask and if Ben claims something less absurd I'm still doubting hb's claim here.

Peace___Frog posted...

Bro i was on your side all day. I doubted the fuck out of hb. You thought that you could keep him alive and roleblock him, and I'd join you in the crusade.

Listen I'm just saying if hb is alive tomorrow and claims scan of scum on literally anyone please thoroughly think about the game before lynching it.

Yesterday ctes was not my idea he was Han's. If I was doing what you were saying I would have been trying to strong-arm lynching hb all day.

Tell me how it fits the vibe with more specific parallels

Kingmaker is VERY specific style of play and you can't just fake thinking I'm playing without that.

Even Kirby hasn't called to that one when calling me scum.

No I'm not but thank you for generic argument 6 to say "that guy is scummy"

Also I don't see how anyone reads this game and thinks that I am more likely to be able to lynch a cop. Maybe if I'd successfully lynched scum this game

The obvious play if hb is town is to do this

Kill hb last night
Kill abacus tonight

The simplest tactics win this game when scum is up this much if hb is town. It's only if he's not town do more advanced moves need to be used. Cop should not be allowed to live-- cop scanning and exposing Ben is like the least damaging outcome there because Ben as scum makes a lot more sense if ctes and sbell are both town and is probably lynched today with or without a scum scan on him.

Further the only way scum finds it plausible to lynch town hb is if I am not scum. Look at the reactions to hb's claim yesterday and you'll find me as the only doubter. Everyone else was like "hyuk uncountered cop yup yup"

Like if you really wanted it to be a scum claim that isn't designed to just job out

Ben claims watcher

Watches Han n1, no targets
Watches hb n2, no targets (or watched Han n2, pick random town to implicate as the killer)

And if you think Ben isn't sharing a fakeclaim with his scum board when that's a planned gambit to try and mislynch the cop? Come on.

Listen I think if this us our elaborate master plan we don't have Ben claim watcher with that junk

Like even ignoring the issues with watcher + Bus interactions (which I pointed out btw) he had bad watch targets

Red imo was obvious watch target night 1
Hb imo was obvious watcher target last night

It's just a bad claim all around. That's why I still haven't ruled out hb as scum. It feels practically scripted to be bad it's so bad.

Colegreen_c12 posted...

Travel time, work being intermittent, probably not getting benefits etc. 4000 for a stable job is a lot different then 4000 for someone who has to interview and travel for basically every job. Even if it was 10 hours of work it's probably at least a week out of her time if not 2. Which isn't bad if it was something that was consistently gotten which I doubt. If thats all she's getting for a big title like this imagine for small games.

Well yeah

It's not like she's going to make livable wages just doing Bayonetta at that clip

But that's the film industry (which VA is a part of) in general at all but the absolute highest level. It's meant to be supplemental income or something you do when you're well off financially, or if you want to live just off it you're basically constantly going for jobs to try and ascend to that absolute highest level. And Bayonetta ain't that highest level.

Like I don't know what fair wages are for VA I just know that the work hours stated seem about right and I would be surprised if she's getting lowballed nearly as much as the implication is here.

Like we're at lylo for the rest of the game unless there is a no kill. Don't forget that.

Btw mass tomorrow is a must even if hb catches someone again if their claim makes anything resembling sense.

This was only slam dunk because Ben's claim had many glaring issues.

##Vote: Ben

See no reason to dawdle. We can go into the next day with more energy to solve.

Cfwr

Kirby is cult recruiter who recruited Han but he bus drives himself and anyone he recruits. scum team realized Kirby was cult leader and tried to kill him last night but failed

BlueCrystalTear posted...

my theory is that scum doesn't have a proper RB anyway

Does anyone in the game agree with this Theory aside from Ben

Peace___Frog posted...

Given ben's confusion with him being redirected, a scum fakeclaiming bd would be a 2 for 1. Usually not a winning move.

When scum needs 1 mislynch to win, it is a winning move

Scummate fake claiming bus driver to make Ben's fakeclaim look better is what I was trying to bait

Note scum only needs one mislynch to win. They can pull all sorts of crazy plays. It can expose as many of them as needed as long as it gets one incorrect lynch.

Yeah I'm up for putting off mass till tomorrow personally

Peace___Frog posted...

This really feels like you're trying to do damage control for Ben.

This is me trying to bait a bus driver to claim.

Though if you wanna have a discussion where you claim scum openly and defend why you botched your fakeclaim be my guest. It would have style to be sure.

Ben if it's bus my pot of greed on Han wouldn't fail. It would hit Kirby.

I'm just saying don't scan bct

Bct is obviously scum. It's pointless to scan him. If bct is godfather it just muddied the waters. If he's not it's a scan to state the obvious.

So how does that work if hb isn't blocked.

Peace___Frog posted...

Oh no i agree 100% for day 3, given today's events. I do not think it was crackpot yesterday.

It is still not crackpot. If hb is the real cop scum killing Han over him is weird isn't it?

I will say I won't humor lynching hb at any point before a mass claim though. I was fairly certain Sultan was day cop though.

I don't want a scan unless it's from a day cop who has a scum scan on me day 2

Peace___Frog posted...

If you're scum trying to discredit the cop, then you already know the actions, lopen

:(

Hbthebattle posted...

It's very convenient that Lopen was initially all for believing Ben's claim

When

I also still think hb is lying and this was an intentional gambit by him and Ben to make us believe hb's next scan (or Ben's but he made a terrible botch) and lose when he "finds scum" again

But I also think no cops in the setup seems unlikely and it will be implausible for hb to keep the ruse up when a real cop dies. In any case, the reason I mention this is so we don't just auto accept his scan tomorrow if he finds scum again.

Btw hb if you're town do not scan BCT. He is clearly scum. Resolve ambiguous targets. That is how we win this game.

So just like to tie up loose ends in case we actually do have a watcher or a tracker or something

I did target Han last night with a pot of greed to test if he was lying about having a crossout designator-- I had to be absolutely sure he was town going forward. I was told it failed and I was told "will be obvious when topic posts" and I'm not sure if his trap explicitly disappeared due to me targeting him or him dying but it's something to think about when more bodies drop.

This is why I was 90% sure Ben was lying before realizing watcher didn't even make sense with a bus driver (and why I wanted a bus to fully explain their abilities before doing so)

It's no longer a Trump card I feel matters and Ben is clearly lying at this point. And he's so clearly that there's no chance a scum would claim bus to back him up.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

...believe Ben? Wut? I've stated that I don't. I simply feel most comfortable with your lynch right now, because you're the one acting exasperated about all this.

So you don't believe Ben but feel more comfortable with my lynch over Ben, who a claimed cop scanned scum

Just making sure I get it

PunishedBen posted...

And Peaf i could easily replace with Abacus if Abacus is godfather

To validate the town scan from the scum cop?

Why on earth does scum redirect actions from Han to Kirby what's your theory there.

Ok I just figured the only person who would have any reason to believe Ben here would be a town Bus Driver

Bct you bus driver bro?

Corroborate I meant

Yeah probably. I don't believe Ben's claim for obvious reasons. Chief among them being there is no Bus Driver claiming to collaborate it.

Also feeling most comfortable voting someone who is not the "cop" nor the guy the cop claimed to scan scum?

So yeah BCT just claimed scum.

Sorry you played dumb I meant

BCT you're dumb now I'm town confirmed due to not getting hammered

Like keep in mind we get no more mislynches. You scanned me scum yesterday and don't correct yourself and flip daycop we're done.

Hbthebattle posted...

why do you think that A: sultan is daycop and B: scanned you yesterday?

Because he said I'm confirmed scum and didn't say that and has been relentless on BCT (who guessed he was daycop yesterday in a total slip moment)

I'm just saying Sultan if you're day cop we can probably win the game if you scan me again, reveal town, then confirm me town you town bct scum

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Says the person who was WAY off base with me, told me to "Claim or die" D1 despite only having you voting for me, and subsequently tried to justify every single one of my posts as a scumpost. YOU are the one whose judgment was clouded, which in turn helped me know for certain that you're scum.

Didn't Death say that we're not told if we were targeted by a spell unless we blocked it with a Crossout? How would you KNOW that you were Pot of Greeded, then?

If Sultan targeted me yesterday and got a scum result I obviously was

I'm certain I wasn't today because today I have crossout designator

I'm a lightning rod for power roles

Yeah godfather being pot of greeded makes a lot of sense

Sultan if you're day cop please scan me again today

Wait save it for the mass

Ben who is the bus btw. You'd see it with your watch

I just think we get more material to solve if we have some reason to believe one bus over the other.

Also because I'm confused how a bus would even work with spell cards and trap cards and would rather them straighten them out before mass rather than be able to retroactively do so to fit whatever spells or traps people claim to play