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foolm0r0n posted...

But in this case you would just generate more of Hellena's Bayonetta directly

I don't think you're getting it.

I don't want Hellena's Bayonetta. I want what Jennifer Hale thinks Bayonetta should sound like which is different than Jennifer Hale trying to impersonate Hellena Taylor.

Like imagine if we had an AI generate Heath Ledger's Joker from Jack Nicholson Joker that'd be a disaster.

I realize the irony of me of all people saying this but cynicism isn't always the way to be smarter about a topic. Time will tell but I think there is a lot to artist interpretation and what it adds that an AI isn't really going to ever be able to replicate to a passable level.

Again for stuff that isn't front and center that'll be fine, but for your star roles you're not just gonna have an AI do it. Like does a Jennifer Hale AI voicing Bayonetta actually sound like what you'd expect Bayonetta to sound like, or does it sound like Jennifer Hale voicing Samus with different dialogue swapped in. Artist interpretation is so important for memorable characters.

So I don't know what sub places are national but I wouldn't ever voluntarily go to Subway, only if I was with people who wanted to.

Like it's not awful but it's not worth the money or calories.

I'm sure any other national sub place is better.

I'm also fine with just me BCT and Kirby claiming

Chang hinted some sort of weird role earlier. He's locked into that and I don't feel needs to claim unless he gets actual suspicion.
Abacus is mortally confirmed town

BCT Kirby you two wanna coordinate same time we can do it

Prolific VA people will want the genuine article if they can afford it.

It's about prestige. In terms of dev costs that's a drop in the bucket. It's also not really taking a lot of development time because it can be done in parallel with the programming.

I think we should just mass today even though the lynch is decided. If we get hb distraction to stay alive another day great.

It's just me bct Kirby Chang Abacus left. Everyone else has claimed or is scanned scum.

Dels posted...

sure but there's a difference between "i am going to this museum to look at paintings made by real people and take them in as pieces of art" and "i'm consuming a game (or something else) that has a million art assets in it"

like i don't think an art collector will want to frame a piece of AI art in their own

but i do think someone might not care if, say, they play a visual novel on steam where all the location backgrounds were made by an AI.

Location backgrounds are minor NPCs in this analogy yes

We'll see. I'm not convinced until it actually happens, no matter where the tech goes.

I mean

Do you know people who are into art?

I feel like you don't if you think AI drawing just removes the demand for art

Half the reason there is appeal to it to a lot of people is because you're looking into the psyche of the artist

Eh I don't think so. Acting is the arts. For the same reason people still paint and we don't just have AI generated art everywhere. There is a certain thing that AI won't be able to replicate, or that purists won't want AI to replicate.

Also like VA aren't super highly paid-- it's not like its a cost cutting measure. Licensing the AI is probably gonna be pricey in its own right.

(My play I was thinking about was monster reborn

But the Vital C thing for 400g doesn't work on NK so that's a no go)

Also I just realized I actually could afford Ghost Belle last night.

That's due to me not even considering buying the item due to thinking me watching someone wouldn't matter and that I was the obvious mislynch for scum to win.

But now I feel like I may have redeemed myself enough for someone to actually believe my watch

Hopefully

Like having all your previously unvoiced minor NPCs voiced via AI to save time seems like the endgame for it not putting great VA like Jennifer Hale out of business

I feel like ai will only be used for the minor VA parts (or to replicate iconic roles where you cant get the original VA like Darth Vader) and it's not a threat to the craft as a whole but who knows.

Oh wait I remember why I didn't

Because I thought my trap was not going to be removed and I wanted to use my 2nd pot on myself to remove crossout if necessary.

Just forgot about that due to my trap being forcibly removed today.

Hbthebattle posted...

why'd you buy 2 pot of greeds?

Bought 1 to use on Han to verify he was telling the truth
1 to protect myself with the crossout Designator

Kinda kicking myself that I didn't use my two pots last night on like Chang + Kirby so I could catch crossout lies but it is what it is.

Hbthebattle posted...

we can more easily be assured if this with actual finance reports. Kirby, Lopen, can you both itemize exactly how much you've spent?

N2 I bought 2x Pot of Greed, 1x Crossout

I have 300 gp remaining so I can buy and set a ghost tonight. Although if I get on the Poppy lynch I could get up to 500g and who knows what shinies they add tonight.

Kirby321 posted...

I just have to make sure you stick true to your word and actually try to Pot of Greed me instead of lying about it to make me look like scum :P

The thought had crossed my mind but lying to help build a case on scum is a good way to get lynched. Better to just play straight up. I have 2 of them anyway. If anyone else is going to claim they have a crossout I can test theirs tol

I can get rid of your crossout if you keep pot of greed in your hand

Not that it is a crossout lol

That's exactly how my Pot of Greed worked when I tried to use it on Han and he died so yeah. I buy it. It does make it harder to be sure our watches will work. Keep in mind scum will also get lightning storms to throw at us so they're not foolproof even then but yeah.

Ugh. Sorry I said I'd shut up

NOW I'll shut up scout's honor

(But seriously though its Poppy BCT Kirby. Anyone doubting we need to talk it out today while Hb is here)

Kirby321 posted...

This would be right, but I also bought into the Pot of Greed + Crossout Designator meta like a fool, so I'm down 100 Gems >_> In hindsight, Hb being Cop really should've made it clear there wasn't a Day Cop, but I just thought there had to be some purpose for the combo.

I really don't buy this btw

Like if you believe hb is for sure cop why on earth do you think 2 scanners is balanced even with pot of greed

Much moreso than BCT this looks damning on a guy whose reaction to hb's scan was (Topic 5 post 15.)

Kirby321 posted...

WTF no I'm not taking my vote off of Ben

HE'S SCUM
HB IS COP
WHAT THE HELL

But with this presumably being MyLo, I agree that a mass claim is a good idea.

(Which to me kinda feels staged anyway. A little skepticism was healthy yesterday at MyLo before Ben didn't kill himself and we didn't clearly have a lack of other scanners)

Mundus

Also let's talk money and trap strategy when people get here.

Anyway I'll shut up. I'm satisfied. I feel I redeemed a poor game today. But yeah seriously I'll build the case just ask. We have a double wagon day 1 and 6 topics of material. More than enough material to dig on Kirby or BCT just ask if you're not convinced.

Also BCT I want to stress I never said you were a bad player

I said in my hypothetical where we are both town that I was making you play by throwing you into an OMGUS state and not letting you think clearly about the game

We can discard the hypothetical now though. If anyone doubts my read that isn't Kirby or BCT let's talk please.

I'm like 99% sure it's Poppy Kirby BCT at this point

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Also if Lopen isn't scum, it's probably Sultan and either Abacus (godfather) or Chang, but I doubt Abacus is GF. I really doubt that HB is scum, too - like I said, it's very unlikely, but still a hypothetically possible scenario.

If you're town you reevaluate this making anything resembling sense

Scum panics and fakes consistent thought process and insists that hb and Abacus could possibly be scum

So I will say that now that I no longer think BCT and Sultan are paired that of the two Kirby is more likely the GF by far

The big reason is that I think day 2 when BCT speculated that Sultan was day cop that was legitimately a perspective slip and that slip only occurs if BCT scans scum.

But yeah I think a mesh of watch traps will be a solid play here.

And I'm sorry for armchair quarterbacking your team and saying you played it poorly but you kinda did

Too many ways to get hosed getting greedy like that

Bus
Town RB

You and Poppy being scum makes a lot of sense now because you both clearly think little of my play and that I'd blindly lynch town cop who claims roleblocked without having mass claim first (when Sultan doesn't claim daycop I'm suddenly believing hb)

Why RB + kill? Because there are too many ways to stop a kill. It's not just busdriver. So if he's alive you want to keep that as a backup

If hb flips town with just a town scan on your gf that's the easiest win of the game ever

Kirby321 posted...

Like, now that the cards are all on the table, it makes 100% sense why scum kept Hb alive if they had a roleblocker on their side. They couldn't have known that Peaf was bus driver.

Of course not

But they did know that doc was dead and cop was legitimate. Why risk exposing scum by leaving hb on the board. If abacus is scum gf you rb + kill him imo

Because town will play the percentages on that. When you have a town scan it's like over 10x as likely to be town. Abacus coasts if it even gets that far.

Hbthebattle posted...

Lopen, let's be honest. If Ben didn't shit himself trying to counter you'd STILL be on me, lol.

Maybe. I actually force the mass there and it comes down to you and which scum fakeclaims cop.

But my point is if I'm dumb town the play is viable due to needing to convince only one person you're scum. If I'm scum the play is not due to needing to convince more people

Surely you see my logic there right?

Kirby321 posted...

How does Abacus being Godfather relate at all to killing the Cop instantly "without remorse"?

People will believe the town scan on abacus if the cop flips

It's just bad play to not kill the cop there. Also Ben was setting him up as a lynch.

There is just too much benefit to killing hb if Abacus is gf.

Also I'm going to stress that mislynch on hb is only plausible if I'm town. You honestly think scum team thinks I'm able to convince 3 town that hb is scum? It's a terrible play unless I'm town and only need to convince 1.

Hbthebattle posted...

I don't think that's necessarily true. I think they might have been betting on there being some users who would have slaughtered me if I claimed blocked. What threw them off is that I wasn't.

I'm saying if Abacus is gf you town confirm him and that's your late game ace. 100%. You don't risk trying to sick me on you. It's just really bad play to do that.

Oh man

Ghost Belle

My man

Hell yeah. I could not afford it last night but can tonight.

Man

Han had both of these two against the wall and then backed off because he randomly decided to get town reads on them for dumb reasons

I eagerly await Han barking like a dog and kneeling before my mafia superiority

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I mean I am town and I was away so I tried to create some discreption some how but fine lopen think I am scum

I said I'm sorry!

You're town!

Scum is Kirby and BCT! Both because their thoughts on hb's townliness state show they're not trying to solve the game.

Note also in his POEs Kirby avoids suspecting BCT

Let me explain

Kirby321 posted...

Hb is Cop. That's indisputable. The odds of him being scum are possible but crackpot-levels of unlikely.

This is fine. However if you're actually thinking about the game and accept hb is town, you realize that we were at lylo and scum intentionally avoided killing hb. If Abacus is gf, they absolutely kill him without remorse. It's a slam dunk.

Kirby321 posted...

but the possibility of Abacus being Godfather is gnawing at the back of my mind. Ugh.

Town never says these two statements in the same post. Never.

Sorry Sultan

Please try to convince people I'm right

Kirby321 posted...

but the possibility of Abacus being Godfather is gnawing at the back of my mind. Ugh.

Ok

Kirby is scum

Kirby and BCT call it

BCT hypothetical. Let's just say for the sake of argument that I've thrown you into an omgus loop and that's making you play bad which is making me misread you as scum

Assume hb is town because there is no way he's scum
Assume Poppy is scum as a result
Assume abacus is town as a result

Who are the remaining two scum and why. You can't pick me because in my hypothetical we're both town that have thrown each other off.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Oh, so you're saying that, in this scenario, scum would kill one of their own members? Gotcha.

So you think hb is possibly scum then?

It is 0% likely. Literally 0%. Scum night kills hb and Abacus wins them the game. That's how the game plays out if Abacus is gf

BlueCrystalTear posted...

No, it's proposing theories that are still viable

Hey Kirby why are you not calling him insane here

Ok that last post has me think maybe it's Kirby

Ugh

This is hard

So here is stuff you can remove from your POE. Completely.

3. HBtheBattle - cop
6. Poppy - scum scanned
8. ViolentAbacus - scanned by cop town, if gf HB is killed to town confirm, thus not gf

BCT still suggesting that hb + abacus can be scum at start of day shows he is not thinking about the game and is scum. Like I refuse to believe anyone at all humors abacus as scum at this point. Any amount of thought shows that at lylo you kill the cop and win.

1. BCT - scum. Claimed scum multiple times pretty much.

Leaving

2. Changmas
4. Kirby
5. Lopen
7. Sultan

So Chang/Kirby how can I convince you the last one is Sultan here.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

My doubt was a theory, since discarded, that someone else could've been cop (a day cop at that) but was holding out until D3 as to get one more scan off before claiming. Once that didn't happen, I was more certain, and I certainly wouldn't buy a counter-claim now.

How much doubt would you say that was, reasonably? Were you at all convinced by me trying to get us to lynch hb day 2?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Lopen, Sultan, and Poppy

OR

Lopen, HB, and Abacus

This is interesting

Does BCT name me + his scummates in one and me + Hb + hb's town scan in the other?

Note BCT and Sultan both try to case doubt on hb still being alive today too

BCT how sure were you hb was cop day 2. Like do you recall a percentage in your head for him being cop vs lying? Or a specific thing that had you believing him (or doubting him?)