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Pathetic votals. Absolutely pathetic.

Hey Kirby did you ever say why you were gone at the end of the day yesterday.

WOOF WOOF! KlLL SCUM, HAN. WOOF!

If you're town, Han

Now is the time to stop being the guiding hand and drive a lynch. I've got too many people here treating me like a joke. I can't do it.

I wish I thought Kirby was scum, I really do

Hb Ctes Kirby BCT would be hilarious as it would be 3 guys Han is arguing are town and one guy he let get away to chase SBell.

Can we at least Force HB to full claim. At the very least. Like come on there's no reason to let him be cute here.

Satan GnG

I'm guessing no notification. Role flip doesn't indicate there would be one.

Probably Poppy I'm guessing. Good PoE kill but also don't think he's scum so probably do or die tomorrow if we don't get it right.

Keep in mind probably 2 bodies dropping tonight. I do think Corrik probably uses poison night 1.

You have to have some guts and doubt a power claim before you're literally forced to sometimes

Benefit of a doubt is earned. Faking a roleclaim should not be all we need to do to earn that benefit.

You do know if we lynch town today and lynch someone set up by a faked scum scan tomorrow we almost certainly lose right

He claims roleblocked what do you do
He claims scum scan tomorrow what do you do

The scan is not bad I actually agree with that.

Choosing to reveal it now, as an inno scan, is done from a scum mindset, however. Convince me otherwise.

PunishedBen posted...

No one else puts any merit into this post of HB's?

I mean I would consider it a very very lucky coincidence if he just happened to say this and then later twist it as a cop hint. The problem is i cant see his reason for saying this if not as a straight up soft claim

That is banter. People like banter.

Ben hardly said I meant there. Voice 2 text.

Like straight up then hardly said anything about m0 being inactive. I gave it much more play than Ben Ben wasn't really ahead of the game as a whole.

Also I really don't like that HB is suspecting me and Ben specifically. Aside from the counter vote angle it actually is super high utility for HB to be able to jump over to Ben who is getting suspicion because let's be realistic it's unlikely I will actually be the Lynch today. Having been as his other option gives him a good out to Lynch town when it's chaos again late in the day.

Kirby321 posted...

What is so difficult to understand?

"Abacus is Town. Lopen and Ben kept suggesting MZero/Abacus as scum because they're inactive. That's easy for scum to fake."

I think that's made far more sense than anything you've put forth at all this game, honestly. You are blowing things way out of proportion, and I'm pretty damn sure you're doing this on purpose. And just to prove a point

##Unvote
##Vote: Lopen

70-80% conviction is much more forceful than what you're saying he's doing

There are a few things to take into consideration when weighing whether a claim makes sense.

1. Does the claim and claimed actions match with how they've played the game.
2. Do the results of the claim, if any, match with how they've played the game.
3. Do the motivations and timing for making the claim more closely align with town or scum motivations.
4. A distant #4 this early, does the claim make sense to exist in the setup

Hb fails in all 4 categories, but the truly damning pieces are 2 and 3. A player with cop scans isn't claiming so far ahead of things like that to confirm innocent someone that wasn't getting any notable pressure to rationalize a vote on two people who are currently voting them.

Scum motivations are clear. He wanted to get the claim out before things got too dicey, and he wanted an excuse to discredit people voting him.
Scum interpretation of the results of his actions are clear. A cop as town doesn't make that jump in logic from an innocent scan. Simply too far of a stretch. A cop would keep that scan close to their chest until Abacus was getting heat, or the cop was in danger of dying. (Hb could last a LONG time without getting night killed, which is the only time he's not going to be able to squeeze that result out)

Yip yip ruff!

If Han wasn't so stubborn he would see that that part of the claim doesn't make a lick of sense either and weigh that into whether he bought the claim.

And here's the thing

That 70-80% thing? If Hb is town? He realizes he's being stupid about it and has second thoughts about that weighing on a read of me or Ben. No one in the entire game thinks that take makes sense, not even Abacus himself.

He's doubling down because he doesn't know what to do here.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Though it does show how stubborn you are given that you're actually still arguing what was not true made the most sense.

I still think random psychic is a worse role than Death Miller Watcher, conceptually. And I think if Death Miller didn't have a history on b8 most would agree with me.

There is a SLIGHT possibility that Ctes is town and Hb is scum. Scum pivoting off vanilla to hope to hit a power role is not out of the question.

That would be bad play but it's not inconceivably bad like thinking inno scan on someone you suspected enough to scan has two people who also suspected that individual at 70-80% scum.

I still think the whole lynch train does not make sense if that's town/town though and Ctes is scum (also don't think a real vanilla has to have their claim pried out of them like that at the end of the day)

Peace___Frog posted...

My third or fourth tinfoil hat theory so far is that hb has been following han's guidance so hard, he is to be Scum trying to get on han's good side and butter him up (han town in this scenario). If they were both scum then they wouldn't need to be so blatant about it.

100% agree. Hb's interactions with Han are the main reason I have pause about Han being scum.

Han is NOT making it easier by actually believing his ridiculous claim but yeah.

ctesjbuvf posted...

No one agreed with you on that!

They were wrong. It was unwinnable for town barring some weird set of circumstances.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I know you were insane, but all you considered that day was me being scum despite flipping town.

Because the game was unwinnable for town if you weren't and it made more sense than my role

Also that's such a gross misrepresentation of last game you have to be scum

Hb is the lynch, not you

I do honestly think you were doing it prepared to jump to someone else. You were practically begging Han to make you vote Sbell, then did it anyway when he didn't

The benefit is later game distancing when Ctes or you get lynched. There were many town in contention, few scum. Ctes getting pushed was bad luck.

You weren't intending to.

Put it another way

If hb is town willing to unvote you on as little as he did, he shoudn't be willing to vote you to begin with

ctesjbuvf posted...

Because Hb might have swapped away last minute but he also pushed me into the lynch pool to begin with. No one followed red.

This is huge part of why Hb's vote looks so bad.

It seemed like a blind bus vote cause he thought it was going to be down to some combination of Ben/Sbell/Chang followed by "oh crap he might actually get lynched now"

Kirby321 posted...

though I'd really prefer investing my time into an analysis of Ctes

Do that then please. If we can get more people confident ctes is scum it makes Ben look better

Also Hb being basically 100% scum with that ridiculous claim and inference he made makes you look WAY worse

Simply put I do not think that lynch plays out that way in town/town. Scum is content to just let you die and keep their hands off

With the amount of vote swapping there were definitely scum in there

HanOfTheNekos posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/6/AAOJ0pAADxzG.png
I will say, this pair of posts makes zero sense unless you are certain Ctes is Scum.

I am pretty confident.

Kirby321 posted...

I've been on Ben since Day 1 since I could tell instantly that Ben has been repeating similar tactics to the last game he was scum.

Comparing behaviors is not great scum hunting technique. Because town or scum the person in there is the same. It can be supplemental info but should not be the driving force

The timing of that is not the timing of scum

PunishedBen posted...

No sbell

##Unvote
##Vote: Ctes

This is why Ben is town btw

This combined with pursuing leads that make sense today

Why is Ben suspected

Can anyone summarize it with some posts and bullet points. I see generic murmurings.

Sorry. I meant to fix your name and Abacus and only did Abacus

As for why not Chang his thoughts today and the whole game seem authentic. I also don't think scum would feel at ease enough to do the letter gimmick here in Chang's position to be honest. He was also the clear fall guy lynch attempted to push yesterday. Han giving up on him for sbell and then going right back to him today is telling as well.

You've got time, man.

Don't prioritize rereading day 1

Read the end of day 1, read day 2. That's what matters most. We have flips, we have a contested wagon. We have reactions to that wagon. That's where you'll find scum most easily.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Lopen would be an interesting option but I don't wanna do that I think I may be just annoyed he is protecting BCT mostly fot new player reasons it sounds like.

Read the game please. I haven't been defending bct in quite some time

No the argument is his use of his power doesn't make sense and his in game inferences from that power are an excuse to suspect his accusers. Hopping vote is supplemental data at this point.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Lopen, why was Chang your no. 2 most Town at a point yesterday? And Poppy as no. 3?

I don't remember Poppy specifically (incidentally that's why he's moved down so much). If I refresh on the day I could tell you.

Chang was because he had a lot of people pushing for his lynch off not much, and I remember what content and logic he provided making sense. Felt like the scum lamb being set up.

Town (order of conviction)
Sultan
Ben
IGCD
Chang
Abacus
Kirby
Poppy

Scum (order of conviction)
Hb
Han
Ctes
BCT

We must lynch Hb or Ctes today. No other lynches make sense imo.

I'll clear the air

Ben is currently high conviction town