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Chaeix posted...

Hence hedging

Do you think Chang is scum? Because if you do then my gameplan is to bus two mates. If you don't we never get to Peaf because Chang flips town.

Who cares. No one is doing anything. You want to reward people for doing stuff vote Han or Chang

Honestly you have no place to talk to say my turn on peaf was abrupt

Read the damn day. You can clearly see that peaf is flipping hard on Chang. They're paired.

Also JC I think there is 0 percent chance Peaf is lynched if I don't support it. I can read the room. Inertia lynch is clearly Death here.

Corrik is playing like town Corrik

Town Corrik delivers his reads and gets out. Corrik hasn't fleshed Han out but his case on you can be found in topic 1 page 2

Don't omgus, Death

EDumey posted...

Lopen
I think SBell has a genuine case behind him. From missing D1 deadline, to the D1 lynch analysis we did, to then (sickness reason aside) not doing much of anything today at all but voting Han because Han kept arguing about the misrepresenting him thing. At the very least, we certainly haven't seen Town SBell today. The only one in your list I'd join you on is Peaf. I don't want to vote Chang or Han today.

I feel sbell has done more today in like 4 posts than Chang and Peaf have done in like 40

Being concise and to the point matters. I think scum who is lurking doesn't generally raise legitimately good talking points. They'll just baselessly say "oh this guy is scum this guy is town"

You know if Death feared public opinion so much he would have placed a vote long before now, and it wouldn't be counter voting Corrik

Everyone saying Death is "afraid of being suspected" isn't digesting the game

Let's ignore the neighbor chat for a moment

I see a matrix mesh

You have Han, Chang, Peaf

This is a mesh of three that refuses to push each other and is gently pushing towards Death and Sbell.

At minimum Chang and Peaf seem paired. Han could just be pocketed by Chang combined with my hostility, but all three seem suspicious-- in particular Peaf's change in attitude between yesterday and today on Chang is very striking-- Peaf suspected Chang before now is defending him on very non specific items. I believe this is an audible based on me bring a lot of heat to Chang, more than was expected.

The last scum or two is blending in well. There are a few it could be.

But as such I refuse to lynch Death or Sbell without a damn good reason.

I would prefer Chang > Peaf > Han I think.

Sbell has had limited time but has made sense. I basically only think he might be scum if Han is town (I think Han is scum)

In

We do not lynch sbell

Chang
Peaf
Sbell
Corrik

Is a hanless setup that works

Also if Chang can convince Han that it's just cult he gets a big sorta megaphone to create an incorrect conclusion about the game state

Scum Chang (POSSIBLY town Han) makes sense

Chang clears the air with you
Chang gets insight on your thoughts of cult setup
Chang when he reveals this knows I will suspect you and will drive a lynch on you

Also ok with lynching Peaf

Peace___Frog posted...

Fascinating.

You and Chang feel very paired right now

You're playing a very soft defense of him.

Peace___Frog posted...

The example that i had in mind specifically was when he came back and said hey can we discuss literally anything else.

That's still discrediting me by calling me a distraction to the game.

Peace___Frog posted...

So are you trying to discredit me, or to redirect me?

Attack you, actually.

I'm saying "many things" is usually pretty assertive. I would expect at least one example in your head for you to see his activity worth defending, maybe 2.

htaeD posted...

And I dunno, Lopen.
Chang can lash out sometimes.

I've been in this situation where I created a crazy scenario with Chang multiple times

This is the first time he's been out to outright silence me on it. He hasn't even humored the idea that he could be town and Han scum neighbor

Peace___Frog posted...

He was the one who wanted to stop talking about the neighbor thing and the cult thing, no? And he joined me on death.

I'm saying you claimed he had a lot to say that was not related to cult and discrediting me

I was assuming you'd have literally any example in your head. It doesn't appear you do.

To be clear I don't think Han doing that is a tell just Chang

Han has his own stuff to be sus about

I know Chang isn't

Scum discredit their attackers

Town redirect their attackers to scum or attack them

It is that complicated because he should have literally anything else to talk about

Obellisk posted...

HAN and cHANg had a date last night and after both of them had my name in their mouths at the end of day 1 apparently didn't speak about me at all with each other.

Possibly the best point against Han and Chang's thing being on the level made by sbell. Anyone want to defend this?

Lopen posted...

I mean I just figured if you were going to say "Chang has had a lot of other interests" you'd be able to go into some specificity off the top of your head.

Peaf

The problem is no one thinks anyone is scum that's why we have no votes

I find you trying to make this a death specific problem suspicious

My pool 3 is very close to done. All I'm missing:

Gambit
Sera
Giganto
Ronan
Wasp
Yellowjacket
Black Widow
Adam Warlock
Daredevil
Electro
Wave
Dracula
Crossbones

What does a good reaction to Ulti's scan look like?

Like I honestly understand better why Corrik is voting you (yesterday) than Chang or Peaf.

That's pretty telling

To Peaf's credit I recall WORDS about you but nothing that doesn't apply to most of the game (passive, etc)

I don't really feel you were discussed by Chang just voted

I mean I just figured if you were going to say "Chang has had a lot of other interests" you'd be able to go into some specificity off the top of your head.

Ideally you have Sunspot in your deck as well then if you draw infinaut and don't Jubilee him out you get +5 power on Sunspot when you idle turn 5

Name them

I can't believe Han didn't even vote anyone. He's going to blame me for distracting him but isn't it weird that he and Chang have no real interest in the game beyond spreading talk of a cult and trying to discredit me.

Been playing around with an Omega Red wombo deck now that I got Magik. It's funny when it works!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/2/AAAlMSAAEIY-.jpg

Limbo is usually the way to do this but Elysium can also make it happen.

This game is so boring. For all the complaining about my theories once I stopped talking about them no one had anything to say.

Maybe there really isn't a scumteam and a scumteam existing is what makes mafia fun.

I'm gonna be honest Death I don't like the vibe of this pressure on you.

How do you feel about it. Misled town or scum?

Hey Corrik thoughts on Death?

Wait never mind.

changmas posted...

also attributed to him is it not making sense for (town) JC to be ever be recruited into scum cult (we did not discuss JC as the cult recruiter possibility at all).

HanOfTheNekos posted...

We talked about JC some - I gave some spoilers for the character Mio as we talked about how JC would fit a Cult set-up, and I said that JC was not Cult, no way. His role is specific and the way he hinted about it left room for someone to find him and help him. Then he claimed as he did, a role that is, indeed, doomed, if it makes it to day 4 and is still alive. The moment a Cult is revealed, JC becomes a terrible person to recruit - ergo, JC is not Cult and will not become Cult. No, we didn't discuss him being Cult Leader, or at least if we mentioned the idea, it was in aside that wasn't paid heed to.

CONTRADICTION SPOTTED.

htaeD posted...

Has a neighborizer board ever been created without letting one know who recruited him?
Because to me it sounds like the host said they were both recruited at the same time.

It's not used enough to have a standard implementation

I know in the infamous pineapple game Corrik when neighboring Sultan was identified as "shape" and had to willingly reveal he was Corrik

Obellisk posted...

you guys are arguing about cults and how many alignments the game has.

I actually am not doing this

The fact that people are repeatedly thinking I am trying to make that argument about that shows why Han is good at the game. Masterful deflection of the actual point at hand here (Han and Chang are scum as the contents of their conversation and conclusions drawn from it doesn't make sense-- whether there actually is or isn't a cult or scum is largely irrelevant)

changmas posted...

there is absolutely zero merit to the theory that Han and I are both scum who cooked this up to fool everyone else.

Why not? If you can confirm the other and make the town paranoid of a cult it seems like a strong play

htaeD posted...

But what is the best outcome of this discussion?

I convince town to lynch Han or Chang, ideally Han because I have more faith in him than Chang to argue out of it when one flips scum, because there's no way that town neighborizer makes sense given everything Chang has told us about the conversation and his and Han's reactions to it

changmas posted...

I mean they've been here but with no attempt to change the conversation away from the conspiracy theory you've shoved down our throats for 16 hours straight.

It's because there's merit to the theory and it's not the rubbish you and Han are dressing it as.

I will stress

I don't know the game setup

I think most likely 4+1. Further I can think of at least 3 setups where JC as cult leader makes sense.

I think it's completely at odds with Han's standard solving process to throw out a traditional scumteam based on nebulous wording on a flip and the opening post of the game. I also think the two of them unanimously agreeing on this and not having any disagreement is strange because I think the majority of the game hasn't ruled out the possibility of a traditional scumteam yet.

changmas posted...

It's been 16 hours! Literally 1/3rd of the entirety of day 2

People have not been idling for 16 hours

Corrik has, red has, Sbell has, IGCD has. The rest have been in and out

htaeD posted...

Lopen I find your logic for assuming a scumteam has to exist a tad flawed.

I didn't say that

I never said that

I said Han and Chang in an honest discussion about the game state do not outright remove the possibility of a traditional scumteam and 3p cult based on the language in Plum's flip and the opening post

It's completely absurd