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Cult leader
JC

Scum
Han (How he played end of yesterday was not what town does when a player they think is scum is the leading lynch)
Red (Killed n1 town and Han is scum. No pressure from Han yesterday)
Death (Killed n1 town and Han + Red are scum, looked bad yesterday 83 reasons)
Ulti (My main doubt here, possibly town but probably suiciding into cult leader)

That being said JC probably still the lynch here. Ulti telling the truth is possible. JC as scum is possible.

Really thinking Ulti is just scum here and they're attempting to suicide him into JC who I've convinced them is cult leader with my speculation and he's going to 1-2 try to get JC's cultist lynched

I doubt JC actually got a conversion off though

JC you really wanna screw scum's plan up reveal you were roleblocked and stick it to em

King vs Poe

Possibility of the best winner actually winning here. Let's get it

PunishedBen posted...

you must also select a target to SEND the scan results to.

Sultan flip is irrelevant. Ulti could have got his scan

Hb's vote is completely unnecessary and is probably not cast if he's scum

Further voting plum is consistent with his suspects

The only two suspicious votes of terms of timing were Edumey and Peaf imo. But frankly I think everyone is town on that lynch and the scum agenda would be to try and push a narrative that one scum was on the lynch.

If you want my theory

JC is cult leader and is buying time to recruit. Possibly only 3 uses so he won't mind being lynched day 4

However we never lynch JC as scum team is probably roleblocking him

I doubt just cult. The way end of day played out doesn't fit just cult tbh

EDumey posted...

I'm more concerned with the people who were saying that Plum looked bad without voting like SBell and Death

Note Han literally did not only this (he called plum cfwr scum) but actively tried to start other wagons

If Han is scum Red is scum as Han team 100% murders Red night 1. Note Han also didn't do his usual schtick of trying to push Red to do anything

I will say kill of Sultan profiles as a dangerous scum team who is out to only remove the impossible mislynches

I feel like a dread scumteam consisting of like Han Ulti Corrik Red is very possible. Of note Red was clearly here during the lynch and just was here to lecture us on how Plum was town plum (without any real effort to provide an alternative) and Ulti was conspicuously absent. Corrik is the only one I feel was showing any real townishness during the last bit.

##Vote: Han

I will flesh it out later and I don't really want to go super hard on this thought just yet for risk of Han POSSIBLY being town as I don't want to distract him in that case.

HOWEVER I will say that repeatedly trying to "start other lynches" yesterday at lynch time when he himself said Plum was a good lynch earlier in the day and Plum had basically given up just rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like lip service "hey I tried to stop this townie from being lynched"

Anyway I think looking into the end of yesterday is prudent. A lynch that settled with 5 people with no intent to b8 special should actually be a wealth of information

I have my own conclusions which I'll be talking over in topic later when I have time. But I would advise others to pursue this too as yeah, 5 votes to lynch pretty much no attempt to start another wagon is just really weird.

changmas posted...

so last night, Han and I were neighborized by someone else. Neither of us claims to have the power to do so. The most likely conclusion we came to was that a different town member put us together to try and have us work together, because a scum with the same power would probably try and torture Han instead.

The chat self-destructed as of the start of Day 2, but I have all the logs saved. i don't think either of us fully trusted the other but in my mind we spoke candidly on a number of different topics.

big items of discussion were that plum's flip suggests that the scum team itself is the cult, and what that might mean for the game setup. also discussed some people who were around most of the day but didn't vote (ahem....DEATH).

also, we decided scum/cult like....never ever recruits JC unless they are forced to. it makes absolutely zero sense for them to do so if it's a free -1 town player if they don't do so

Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that you both were neighborized by someone else? Is it just as simple as you both denied neighborizing the other or did the host confirm this in some way?

It's hard to beat Lizard in terms of getting power on the board early so you can get that early turn priority. Aero is pretty good for keeping him at 5 too.

Good to see Booster Tower winning easily. That's basically the only part of the game that has stuck with me with fond memories all this time

I mean I remember bits and pieces of a lot of other stuff but Booster Tower is on another level

To get the cult leader

Let's special JC

More logical conclusion if role references cult tbh

One I'd no doubt you'd have reached were thar actually your role

Jc probably cult leader who wants 3 days to recruit

Why not consider that plum

masterplum posted...

Mmm, that too

Lol

masterplum posted...

its enough of a meta read to completely put on the breaks especially considering part of the suspicion was based on the role being a scum setup to live 3 days

No your primary reason for suspicion was JC giving up

That's it? That's pitiful. The plum I respect as a strong mafia player (as town) wouldn't abort his suspicion of JC on just that.

Do it again or quote it

If it makes you feel better I'm going to try my best to take 83% credit and make you lost to history

Plum as town doesn't just give up here

My catch is simple and concise. If it's not an actual catch he could probably walk us through the thought process easily

Who are we letting get away make the case

Who doesn't care about the game

He's a scum role who is immune to the cult recruiter

Simple

Any other lynch will not have my vote even if I think death is scummy

I'm up for lynching plum 5tar or JC pretty much only atm.

Well ok I'm fine with this then

1m or 61m?

Chaeix posted...

you're acting as if it's strange for someone to show up late to the party and not want to get it started again

It is strange if you think the party was started on scum

Chaeix posted...

to clarify why i laughed, 5tar posted suspicion of me long afterany votes on me were removed, why would 5tar actually pursue me given that the other proponents had backed off

Back to thinking JC is just scum

Like how on earth does this make sense as something to think is bad logic for suspecting 5tar on

This guy suspects you and chooses not to give you any pressure because there's ... no votes left on you. No shit that's exactly why it's suspicious. That's exactly when you need to put the legwork in.

It felt more like lipservice "well uh guys for the record I suspect this guy!" more than actual legitimate suspicion.

5tarscream posted...

Lopen. Just stop. Or at least, explain why you think I'm scum.

Already did.

The big glaring thing was your so called suspicion of JC which you never actually pursued whatsoever.

So yes Sultan I do have a strong forceful preference for Plum to be lynched

In particular because I feel he's been caught whereas the case on 5tarscream is more nebulous

I think Plum's case is an easy sell and that people should go with it

Plum and 5tarscream are the only two high confidence scum for me right now and I think the other names being thrown around are bad choices

I think Jubilee pretty much needs 3 bombs to be worth using

Moon Girl instead of White Queen maybe though

Use Hulk or Iron Man instead of Spectrum imo (probably Hulk-- Iron Man needs actual support to win the lane)

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

These 3 post by Lopen give me pause

undefined posted...

Honestly plum being convinced by hb flavor meta to stop pressuring JCshould make him autolynch today

He's shriveled up and died since I pointed it out too

Just lynch plum

undefined posted...

Plum NEVER takes flavor meta seriously. I'm fairly certain he has active disdain for it.

undefined posted...

Particularly when he wasn't even voting him based on flavor!

How so Sultan. Am I convincing you or reaching too far for you. Because I'm sure someone else who has history with Plum can vouch that going down flavor/setup rabbit hole to undo actual in game reads (recall, he convinced himself to vote JC because he felt JC was giving up) is very unlike something Id expect Plum to do

Particularly when he wasn't even voting him based on flavor!

Plum NEVER takes flavor meta seriously. I'm fairly certain he has active disdain for it.

Honestly plum being convinced by hb flavor meta to stop pressuring JCshould make him autolynch today

He's shriveled up and died since I pointed it out too

Just lynch plum

Including you earlier today

Your snakelike motions to try and attack me as I turn my focus are noted

Lmao

Why do I need to build town equity like everyone has me on their town list

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, yeah, don't believe Plum's anger. Shooting day 1 as vig is a-ok.

I read this as sarcasm was also a problem

When I think you were actually being genuine

Ok

Yeah Han is OK. Recalculating

Okay

Han off scum list back in undecided

Let's vote plum instead of sbell today then I will listen to sbell theories

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ah, come around on plum and he scatters away into the night, tail tucked between the legs.

Oh

Wait did come around mean "I've come around on plum being scum"

Because the post read like you had plum as town to me.

Which is it please educate me

There's a lot of mental gymnastics in that post he just dropped to make plum town by Han. Like way too much. I don't like it at all.