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htaeD posted...

There is such a thing as reverse psychology

Here's the thing if you believe Hb's claim then Ulti is more guaranteed scum than IGCD. There is no way Ulti gets mentioned that many times if he's not scum. He simply hasn't had a strong enough game to warrant that much chatter

His attitude towards Chang's ridiculous claim is a huge tell. He's clearly informed or paired.

I feel like we should mass today.

So JC definitely died at the start of day and wasn't shot if you look at the start of day flip

So framing IGCD by shooting JC is off the table

Framing IGCD by no killing is also off the table imo. Not enough reward for that risk.

I think the only way scum has a delayed kill is if there was punishment for hammer. Scum poisoner seems unlikely

So like here's the problem with assuming IGCD is for sure scum.

If he's scum one of the following is true

- The punishment was not told to scum and was losing a night kill
- The punishment was told to scum and IGCD forgot it
- The punishment was told to scum and was NOT losing a night kill

I find the first two scenarios hard to believe. IGCD putting in that little effort seems unlikely.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

A delayed kill doesn't really seem like much of a punishment if the target isn't informed

Well say they shot Death

Death got another scan off and now we've got Corrik as town

It does matter. I feel like losing a kill is actually kinda harsh.

Honestly I'm thinking Ulti is the safest lynch today. Why is everyone saying it's IGCD

##Unvote:
##Vote: Ulti

Actually I guess if they shot JC we'd still be at Mylo.

Shooting JC to frame IGCD?

What are the odds IGCD as scum forgot the anti-hammer merchanic

htaeD posted...

Also the heck is a deathcultist

It's me poking fun at myself for Death Miller.

No saying "if?" is not a catch. I was just talking in terms of "your" view. Obviously I will flip town. I'm just saying WHEN I do you don't lynch Chang right away like Dumey was trying to set up.

Uh Dumey sorry

Mixed up their names. Blame the roommate thing or whatever

Basically Dumey trying to roadmap Lopen -> Chang has made me paranoid enough that there is scum neighborizer who hit two town that I'm saying there is like a 5% chance Chang is town

However Chang's roleclaim if fake is a bad one because we can always test it at Mylo with no ill effects (unless scum was punished in a way that wasn't outright losing a kill and had a kill delayed or shot JC)

htaeD posted...

If?

I could be Death Cultist

htaeD posted...

Uh, did you mean Mylo?
Wouldnt lynching Chang at lylo result in our loss even if he is town and survives?

Sure yeah that

10 town left means that's what the game state will always be unless two kills happen tonight

Which is possible I guess. Maybe the punishment for hammer wasn't an outright lost kill but a delayed one?

Alternate lynch order

Lopen
IGCD
Ulti
Chang
Peaf

Just saying if I flip town always lynch Chang at lylo, never before

Corrik7 posted...

What a jump from you.

You always lynch Chang at lylo if you think he might be town

Dumey trying to set up Lopen -> Chang isn't sitting right with me at all. There is no rush to get "data" from me if you're sure IGCD is scum.

Lynch IGCD, Death NKed
Lynch Ulti, Hb NKed
Lynch Lopen, Han NKed

2. Edumey
7. Corrik
9. 5starscream
10. Chang

Final 4. If Chang is telling the truth, he is now unlynchable. Lynch Chang. Let's say Corrik is NKed

2. Edumey
9. 5starscream
10. Chang

Lynch Dumey.

Feels like the only way to lose is by lynching one of us and it's town/Town. Dumey leaning so heavy into that is giving me doubts. I guess Chang was town and scum neighborizer neighbored two town.

EDumey posted...

Right now I think my priority would look like Lopen>IGCD>Ulti>Chang>5tar. Lopen both because his votes have been bad, I think it would give us the most information

EDumey posted...

It seems that whatever Lopen flips, we can safely assume the opposite of Chang.
IGCD's flip doesn't seem to inform us of anything

Why would you lynch someone that has a 50% chance of being scum to "confirm" the other guy scum when you can just... lynch scum.

Not exactly what I'm saying no.

I don't like this

Chang do you see this

Dumey are you the neighborizer. That's the only reason I can't see you having Chang in your poe

And 5tar has felt very town since day 2 anyway imo.

5tar would be mentioned more than once just by scummates in conversation I would think.

EDumey posted...

that reads to me like he may have a night action to get off before he dies.

That I didn't do n1 through n3

Really

Where is the town neighborizer claim to protect Chang???

If you played more like red I wouldn't have completely trapped you I suppose so there's that.

Funny that you're now trying to say Dumey as scum makes more sense than IGCD and you aren't arguing against the IGCD lynch

changmas posted...

every game i understand more and more why red plays the way he does

So if town you straight up didn't read the game and this is where you feel it's necessary to point out how this game doesn't dignify your attention

Uh huh

So who are your 3 scum. Still insist Dumey needs to be in the poe?

Always 3 just way better level design

Also feel the control in 3 is tighter. Cape is more fun than the raccoon tail though

I mean I claimed while you were talking to me early in the day. Corrik saw it. Ulti saw it.

I also claimed I knew I was targeted n2 yesterday

Basically a lot of pretending not to read to cover up the logic hole of you thinking I might be town there

Yeah I bet you did despite it being mentioned by me Corrik and Ulti today

You do realize we both claimed bulletproof right

You shouldn't doubt I'm scum if you're town

Probably no GF in the game because if you scan cult before they're recruited that's like a GF. So Corrik and Han probably are safe.

Honestly IGCD Chang Ulti probably is just it. You can go ahead and lynch me after Ulti and then go for Chang. It's fine. No way does scum start with 4+2 recruits. 3+2 is what it'd have to be.

changmas posted...

i think 13 times on dumey is also too many

So if I'm scum and dumey is scum and Ulti is scum...

If you were just gonna vote IGCD not sure why you'd claim now. Your role's data is tainted now

I mean

The weirdest thing is you came into today trying to get me lynched.

Not IGCD

Also not Corrik who was just as guilty as me

I feel like if Corrik was hounding you it would have been Corrik instead of me.

People should consider this

My opinions have changed plenty. I had Ulti and you as town early for example

Being right about things isn't a town tell. As you're aware scum have a lot of knowledge going into the game so they're at an advantage.

Also for the record yesterday I didn't actually call red scum yesterday entirely wanted claim pressure.

Chang being scum
Ulti being scum
Probably IGCD being scum

Pretty good game

Occulam's Razor 2: Ulti is doubling down because he's scum and thinks reevaluating the truth of the claim will make him look scummy. Ulti screwed up and did not perfectly calculate either.

Occulam's Razor: Chang screwed up because not every scum move is perfectly calculated

changmas posted...

the reality is the whole lot of you are by and large absolutely terrible at evaluating what abilities can and can't exist in this game

He says when the guy he claims is scum evaluates his ability cannot exist in the game

Because I as scum would honestly attempt to figure out what abilities exist

Corrik7 posted...

And you also think that would no longer matter

Right?

"If I get hammerered during lylo Town wins the game" would almost make more sense.

Then lynch Ulti who thought that ability made complete and total sense.

Then we have a dance between you me and IGCD.

Lynch him first then we can discuss me bussing later.

Stand with me Corrik.

So is anyone going to claim neighborizer before we lynch Chang?

Corrik do you believe that ability exists?

I don't believe that Last Stand ability exists.

If we are to believe that a no kill is a punishment for hammering on lylo, becoming unlynchable is actually redundant for scum hammering for the win

changmas posted...

scum
2. Edumey
5. Lopen
8. IGCD

Seriously who the hell puts Dumey on their suspect list without considering Ulti or Corrik

Scum who doesn't want to tip their hand on who their scummate is and picks a completely off the wall set of suspects, that's who

Corrik7 posted...

This isn't playing the game seriously and for the fun of everyone else in the game. Just stop.

Yes it is

Because town red actually claims there

And if he doesn't claim, getting hammered enough times for being stubborn will make him correct his behavior

Note the one time red just didn't claim in that exact situation he was scum-- that's what I was waiting for there. If he didn't claim, I would have urged everyone to hammer. If he did, I would have urged everyone to back off.

Corrik7 posted...

He could be scum and do all the same things and skate away because of it.

Yeah

And then when he gets hammered we can correctly say he sucks at the game

Now we can't because dude just got blind hammered. Red doesn't suck at the game now, IGCD does. And that sucks.