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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 2:21:50 PM
#420
People treat it like a cop scan it becomes a cop scan.

Only when there is accountability and uncertainty is when lynch trains are valuable

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 2:19:24 PM
#415
Sbell lynch is worthless because it's cop scan but I will say hb looks the worst.

Hbthebattle posted...
##Vote: Sbell
well, here goes nothing...

The apprehension to me seems faked

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 2:14:38 PM
#408
Like Corrik if you want to play an idiot to show you divined me as scum or town by how I reacted go ahead.

But no I don't think "it is 3 scum to start 2 recruits" is that difficult to guess

I mean maybe it's 2 scum to start 2 recruits (3 scum because sbell lost a recruit) but we lynch Chang when game would be at Mylo based on 3 scum to start 2 recruits (4 scum since sbell lost a recruit) even if he says "but guys it's not Mylo yet"

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:11:15 PM
#406
Ok.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:09:47 PM
#403
4 starting scum with recruit 2 is a joke setup and I don't care if we lose that.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:09:04 PM
#402
I know that. I'm town.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 2:07:07 PM
#399
Lopen posted...
Anyway yeah really not interested in arguing with scum Chang. And if IGCD is town I don't really care if we lose anyway. If you want to save lynches Death, you can scan me tonight. I'm not actually miller.

I am

That 2 Hours Long Cutscene At The End of Chapter 5, TOWN Uninterrupted Bulletproof

I am bulletproof until targeted by a non-killing night action. I claimed miller (in addition to doing it as homage to Ben's absurd claims) in hopes town would not target me. However I was targeted Night 2 by something and as such am no longer Bulletproof.


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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 2:05:59 PM
#397
Corrik7 posted...
Lopen, let me ask you something.

How do you know when mylo is?

Clearly 4 scum total in the game with the 2 recruit limit

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:04:57 PM
#395
htaeD posted...
"both roles cant coexist because it could lead to an unwinnable situation for scum" has been proven to not be true lately.

It actually can't

There's no way I make it to endgame without being targeted by something.

That's why the roles can exist together.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:04:06 PM
#393
Corrik7 posted...
There is zero reason you believe you need to wait to endgame to lynch him if you were actually bulletproof.

We are both conditional bulletproof that can't exist in the same gamestate. It's a completely stupid role but I'm not going to throw it out

Like if a guy I thought was town claimed it I wouldn't push for his lynch. I mostly want Chang dead because of his gameplay not his claim.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:01:40 PM
#390
Like if you wanna be gutsy and not smart and Yolo we totally can

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 2:00:52 PM
#387
I think his role is lying

But there's also no reason to not wait till Mylo to lynch it unless you think scum has a role that powers up if they're last remaining

Like I would volunteer to be the lynch if nothing else

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:52:19 PM
#385
Corrik7 posted...
Can't see any reason Lopen would want to test Chang if Lopens role was what he said it was.

We test Chang because it doesn't lose us any tempo

It probably is just Ulti hb Chang but why not make us ironclad by going to Mylo first.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:49:07 PM
#382
Lopen posted...
If you were just gonna vote IGCD not sure why you'd claim now. Your role's data is tainted now

Literally post after the claim.

Lopen posted...
The thing that gets me is that Hb KNOWS his role is true and is still pushing for IGCD

Ulti is 100% smoking gun there. How would you not push for Ulti. Dumey frankly IS a little high too. Dumey has been active but I don't think he's driven anything. Scum wouldn't likely mention him all that much I feel.

This morning, hours before Han

Han suggesting an alternate route for the data when you could not with 3 days for it is the thing that convinces me, but it's not sheeping Han

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:46:11 PM
#381
Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen switches from totally believing me to calling me scum as soon as Han shows the slightest hint of disbelieving my claim?

Oh shut up I showed signs of disbelieving you hours before Han got here.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:44:58 PM
#380
Like playing that role as shown shows clear objectives

1. No need to generate another scan because it's worthless now. Literally 0 chance you or 5tar die before tomorrow. You claimed it was damning on Ulti but didn't act on it removing any real need to sat anything today.
2. No critical thinking on the meaning-- Han has thought about your role more than you have.
3. Bus of Ulti implicates Dumey by your logic.
4. IGCD lynch first means we don't have to try and digest meaning behind your claim until tomorrow.

Think hb was setting up IGCD -> me/Dumey victory condition.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:40:51 PM
#376
Well anyway

Ulti
Hb
5tar
Chang at Mylo to test claim
Dumey

That's probably my order atm. You can throw me in that list wherever you want. Going to be gone for at least 7 hours so have at it.

And no I'm not saying I don't see the case on IGCD. I'm saying if I'm scanner I never push IGCD over my damning scan of Ulti. I don't buy it.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:35:13 PM
#371
Hbthebattle posted...
Notice that there wasnt a shot last night.

This is your situational theory btw

Has nothing to do with hammering claimed protection

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:34:15 PM
#368
Hbthebattle posted...
HE FUCKING HAMMERED PROTECTION

HE HAMMERED PROTECTION THAT HE KNEW WAS NOT THERE TO RESPOND

Han do you think he's faking this because you said this was a towntell y/n

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:33:33 PM
#366
changmas posted...
i have all the logs saved

I'm pretty sure the reason I know it was nuked is because you were being sketchy with specifics and used that as your excuse for such.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:31:03 PM
#360
changmas posted...
but i actually checked that and it was 2 mentions for each of us (neither were direct addresses though)

Didn't you say the chat got nuked?

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:30:24 PM
#359
If I'm hb's role as town I've probably already considered Han's theory with a full game to digest it

Also if I'm hb's role as town I'm 100% pushing for one of my scans over situational IGCD theory. Even if I think 5tar is town. Why do you ever not lynch Ulti I really don't get it.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:27:51 PM
#353
Hbthebattle posted...
and yet, he has provided no explanation for why he hammered beyond "for the lulz" and has basically laid low all of today. Even if you ignore the scum-punishment for hammering angle, IGCD still looks incredibly bad.

Actually he came out to play earlier. Expressed frustration about not having time to fully read end of days, etc

Honestly literally everyone having him in POE is a red flag. It's like why I was calling Death town earlier. (Amusingly one of the few correct calls that actually mattered this game that Chang gives me no credit for)

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:25:43 PM
#348
changmas posted...
reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Point 2 you went after me specifically for basically doing the same thing Corrik and IGCD did

Why

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:22:38 PM
#346
Igcd town. Doc save happened and peaf was not our only protection deal with it.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:19:19 PM
#341
changmas posted...
reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Yeah. Before 90% of the day's content.

Being right doesn't make you town. Scum are right very often

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:18:00 PM
#339
Hbthebattle posted...
Why do I implicate Ulti if he's my scummate? Think before you post, Lopen.

Ulti basically implicated himself with his play today

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
Lopen
02/01/23 1:16:16 PM
#335
I wish whoever between Dumey and 5tar is town would analyze more. Paranoia is not analysis if you sull have Corrik and Death in your poe you need to try harder

I'm dying here. All I'm confident in is igcd town atm beyond cop and scans

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:13:03 PM
#329
Hb pocketing 5tar and using Dumey as the mislynch after IGCD is possible too tho

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 1:10:59 PM
#327
Hb 5tar and Ulti I'm liking this one

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 12:59:22 PM
#308
Usually in scum chats I've been in scum talk to the collective Han's theory has merit

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 12:53:50 PM
#302
Corrik7 posted...
You are saying to leave Chang alive all the way until end game now when you claimed bulletproof and he claimed bulletproof/unkillable.

I think he's scum but everyone is playing so weird and only so many can be scum

Just a completely dumb role setup existing almost makes more sense than hb playing his role as he did or the logic of Dumey and 5tar.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 12:05:02 PM
#288
That'll be my last post for a while

Go and solve Han

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 12:00:26 PM
#285
Dumey could you claim. Not an order just a request

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:53:38 AM
#281
I can win as town but I need other town to help filter me

If strong town is all scum or lazy we are screwed

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:50:10 AM
#278
I am much better as scum than as town.

I literally never get lynched as scum

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:44:38 AM
#274
I am actually good at this game

But I can't solve things alone. No one engages me because they've got their heads up their ass and they want to think it's bias.

The so called good players don't even try because it's ego and they'd rather not be wrong. Better to be inactive and claim you knew everyone's alignments later.

If Chang is town where the hell does he get off saying I'm bad. What has he ever done?

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:37:07 AM
#267
Like goddamn

People are going to call me bad at this game again because I'm actually trying to build cases on people and it ends up wrong again

Meanwhile like not everyone that's saying lynch IGCD or me can be scum.

I mean you all think my theories are bad but it's not "well maybe scumteam listed a name of an inactive townie 22 times because they're maintaining a list and referencing the list repeatedly"

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:33:41 AM
#266
22 is an exceedingly high number of mentions in general

You think what people are reposting a list of town reads over and over? What do you think they do in scumchat?

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:26:29 AM
#263
I've literally never done that in a scum chat ever.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:22:25 AM
#261
EDumey posted...
What if someone if keeping a list of town claims and Ulti gets mentioned any time it's referenced?

...

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:09:44 AM
#256
EDumey posted...
How many mentions of Lopen would you expect to be there by Day 3 if HB had scanned you instead? A lot more because you've been active? Less because you're town?

A lot

But Ulti has not been active. There is no excuse to bring him up that much

I certainly don't think I would be mentioned 22 times were I as active as Ulti

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 11:01:41 AM
#253
Ulti has exhibited no signs of being a power player this game and I don't think he's known as being a power player anymore than I am.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 10:52:04 AM
#251
IGCD has been anti-teamplay

Ulti has basically a scan on him and a boatload of terrible logic today.

Ulti is the lynch unless you don't think Hb's role is true.

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TopicMercenaries 5, Day 0 Results: Personally, I Prefer The Bear
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02/01/23 10:13:10 AM
#39
I'm not playing it so don't count on that

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 9:48:39 AM
#248
Who are the scum setting him up for mislynch.

Hb, Death, and 5tar?


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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 8:56:20 AM
#242
Ping me next time I will do it. I legit didn't see your post.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 8:53:58 AM
#240
New POE

Town
1. Han 3. Death 7. Corrik. 9. 5starscream

2/4 are scum
2. Edumey 6. Hb 8. IGCD 10. Chang

Scum
4. Ulti

Once I get mislynched town has one mistake to make. Chang is self solving and doesn't cost town tempo, but if IGCD is town the game is able to be lost. Hb X Dumey X Ulti team wins

You need to be completely sure someone in my scum POE that isn't Chang is town. That's why we should mass.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 8:46:04 AM
#239
htaeD posted...
Outside of the punishment for scum thing, which admittedly does give me slight pause.

That's entirely it

I basically believe this

IfGodCouldDie posted...
I honestly didn't even know it existed, but if I was scum it would definitely be something I was very weary about. I get way more paranoid in scum chat about stuff like that.

I have played with IGCD as scum before. I think he cares about winning as scum. Maybe as town he should care more but yeah.

My bigger problem is I don't think Hb were he actually his role is so confident that it's the scum punishment that he overrides his scan of Ulti which to me says he's scum 100%. I also don't know why he felt it necessary to make his claim now when you are absolute dying tonight.

That's why I think we should mass.

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TopicXenoblade Chronicles 3 Mafia: 4-1 Yippee!
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02/01/23 8:25:45 AM
#236
The thing that gets me is that Hb KNOWS his role is true and is still pushing for IGCD

Ulti is 100% smoking gun there. How would you not push for Ulti. Dumey frankly IS a little high too. Dumey has been active but I don't think he's driven anything. Scum wouldn't likely mention him all that much I feel.

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