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it wouldn't be a final fantasy game without a release date delay

masterplum posted...

Gonna take bets now

IS CORRIK

A. Making a weird chemistry joke about balance
B. Trolling
C. Actually referring to some weird obscure thing he thinks everyone actually is aware of

PLACE YOUR BETS NOW

D. Stab

let's gooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgRZAGQPJVY

ViolentAbacus posted...

If you need a player, I can join in - I just am absolutely no good at Mafia (partially from anxiety).

That being said, I'd also be open to being a replacement.

I do love some Final Fantasy.

as long as you try your best it doesn't matter. i'm always willing to help newer players out

/in

really getting back to my roots playing in a game about FF on the site i joined as a JRPG-obsessed 13 year old lol

Isquen posted...

Hate the host, not each other >:(

no one should hate you for it, just agree it was a silly mistake, laugh and move on

i've played a game where there was a mafia recruiter who activated on death but had the recruitment part of their role PM redacted, and a game where mafia had a role that directly contradicted the listed mechanics in the OP (long story but it was a pseudo-resistance type game to save the life of a townie if everyone in it submitted a success, but mafia had a role that could make it so the townie always died even if everyone submitted success)

this was not as bad as those

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are an incredible person and I hope you stick around to play more. Sorry you got to glimpse my bad side a bit here >_>

lol it's NP, i've seen far worse in games. got a bit too into it myself because i was in a tight spot day 2 and fought back a little dirty

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Also I would like to day I was impressed with Poppy

thanks, appreciated.

for the record, i said this in the dead chat, but i should confess i hustled everyone a little bit - i have played a lot of mafia. I was on EM for 5 years or so, and i've played on mafiascum, mafia universe, and a bunch of various other sites. probably played 200, 300 gamse of FM total? i don't keep track of games but it's a very high number. currently in my "old veteran wandering around to a bunch of different communities to experience new things" phase.i was reminded that there are games here, so i decided to wander home and sign up for one. gamefaqs is the first message board i ever signed up for online so posting here is a nostalgic experience (even if jeff vea$ey ripped out teh dang soul of the site long ago)

it's a good thing no one in game asked me why i randomly decided to show back up to gamefaqs...wouldn't have had a good cover story.

anyway feel okay with how i did, was cool voting the entire scum team on day 1, maybe with hindsight i should have tried to townside a bit more but i took the actions that i thought were the best possible move at the time

i will just say that roles that lie to the players in their role pm are considered bastard modding and there should generally be a warning attached to that sort of things when a game goes into signups. first time host, though, live and learn, but please please please make sure games are reviewed to not have that sort of thing in the future, lol. (i have seen worse roles, though, believe it or not)

i don't necessarily blame town for making the choices it did given info available and it kind of sucks that this was the outcome for a game that had been going so well for them

(personally, i thought ctes was BLEEDING town on day 3. it's just tragic that my win condition was not aligned with the town so that it benefitted me more to allow him to get killed. if i have a town role PM i like to think that never happens)

this was one of the games of all time

shovel has been sent btw

Obellisk posted...

@PoppyTheNinja
@Mzero
@Red13n

Lets make some decisions here on how we are dealing with the next 28ish hours.

i'm good for ending the day whenever i don't think there's a ton to discuss as of right now

i'll send the shovel to red i guess

Lopen posted...

Poppy you can answer those questions too.

Lopen posted...

Actually you know what

First and foremost

I am lynched, the game continues, it is as I said. I flip psychic.

How do you approach tomorrow. At that point, if there are two scum, you know the game is over, right. So there can only be one scum. Therefore, I have to be correct, right?

Lopen posted...

Like we all need to be on the same wavelength here

When I get lynched and I flip Rizzrakk the psychic, are we all lynching Ulti or not? And if not, why not. I need, while I'm here, to convince you guys that one of the following must be true.

1. Roshan is a red herring, doesn't exist, and Ulti is the last scum.
2. Roshan exists, and Ulti is the last scum, so lynching the last scum and letting Roshan win is better than scum winning with overpowered Death Miller.

yes, sure, if you flip town i will take your word under consideration

anyway, i have to get back to work now, won't be on until later if the day is still going

Obellisk posted...

There was a whole discussion about this day 2.

almost everyone went to the store to check.

hiw are you actually playing dumb on this issue. Hiw are you going to act like withholding info from TOWN is going to help anything at this point. we are literally arguing about what roles make sense and you are gunna sit there like you don't even have one?

most of my time day 2 was spent either casing HB or arguing with lopen, i saw the other stuff but didn't think it was worth bothering with at the time

second of all, lopen is the default vote for the day regardless, so what use would me outing that info now serve?

Obellisk posted...

You have had multiple day and night actions to visit the store and find out your shard upgrade. 6 opportunities i believe. And you've done absolutely nothing all game?

well i didn't know i could check at the store at first, for one thing (still don't know how exactly it works since it's not really stated anywhere). for another thing i didn't think it was that important to check beforehand. and tbh even if i knew i probably wouldn't admit it out in the open, no point in announcing to scum if i have an ability that's actually useful

if no one is claiming to have sent mzero the pineapple he should probably pass it off given it's an unknown item from a non-town player

i haven't actually checked my upgrade yet, dumb but i figured doing nothing was the best course of action on night 2

i think it's probably better if i don't talk about any plans i have for buying shop items though

Obellisk posted...

items purchased? what's your enhancement again?

thoughts and prayers?

i haven't bought any items given the ones available didn't seem too useful

i can, uh, confirm getting the shovels but i don't believe the death miller stuff one bit

if anyone would like a shovel then say so?

Obellisk posted...

Red - Hammerer. Couldn't manually vote. Has upgraded his role with a shard giving him the ability to vote manually. (Has not said if he is still an auto hammerer)

Ulti - Bodyguard. N1-Han; N2-Sbell; N3-Red. Shard upgrade is __________ (please confirm). Purchased a Salve.

MZero - Moneygrubber. Makes double the monies. has purchased item that doubles his doubles. Shard upgrade is __________ (please confirm).

Lopen - Psychic thats told number of people who visit him. Also has 2 items he believes are doc saves for himself. N0 -nil; N1 -nil; N2 -nil; N3 -1. Spent all money on shovels he's now given to Poppy. Shard upgrade is ________ (please confirm).

Poppy - I'm totally drawing a blank on all of your claim. Please re-confirm.

SBell - Unkillable. Can't shop or use Items. No shard upgrade. ;_;

empowerer. i can prevent someone from being roleblocked. haven't used my role on any night.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If Red checks out, then Corrik died targeting Ninja. That's an easy one. And assuming 10/4/1, that would mean a scum team of you + MZero with Ninja as Rosh. The only out town has is to kill mafia today and then hope Mafia + SK don't both shoot town. Sucks, but that's what happens when you have SK in 15 and they always hit town.

And no you don't get the benefit of the doubt after that garbage yesterday followed by "there must be a banned role lol".

I'm going to bed for real this time.

if i were roshan i'd be dead, reread corrik's role

willing to cross the bridge of any doubts on me tomorrow but i'm fairly clearly not scum with lopen and the fact that there are multiple kills now points solidly away from corrik having died from visiting his target

UltimaterializerX posted...

Red. He was under the radar all game so I thought for sure he was getting killed, since he's the biggest name left.

Him being alive means he's our most likely Roshan. But we mathematically can't lynch him until tomorrow with a potential 10/4/1 setup.

wat

not buying anything lopen says obviously, vote is there in spirit, will wait to hear from everyone else

the amount of extra kills in this setup is seriously scuffed

sigh

Kirby321 posted...

I gave him mayo.

I couldn't have obtained the mayo without visiting the shop N1.

Don't worry, I was confused about that, too, until Ctes clarified it today. And I totally thought he was a Tracker because of it, too >_>

oh right

ctesjbuvf posted... I can confirm that Kirby indeed moved and went to the shop, that much is certain.

If Corrik visited Kirby, Death lying is the only possibility.

uh...remind me again how you know he moved and went to the shop?

##Unvote

while i'm at it

don't want day to end before mzero checks in

i went and reread my own post on ctes from last topic ( https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80160252/967961754 )

again the actions are kinda consistent with the miller claim but the associations are not particularly good and i can't get over the fact that potential town watchers in a setup doesn't make much sense

and even if a lot of lopen's arguments rub me the wrong way his play makes less sense from a scum framework than ctes's

ctesjbuvf posted...

Seriously, for all you insisting on doing setup meta, chang saying there's no way I have gotten a better role than him is the worst point.

it's less you having a betteer role and more than i find it super hard to believe there would be duplicate roles, especially town watcher when that would quite literally be a gamebreaking combination

admittedly your responses here are giving me a little pause

but realistically in this situation it's not the end of the world for town even if we're wrong so if you're town please hunt for who lopen's teammate is here

changmas posted...

Kirby, Kirby, Kirby. you were supposed to hold the line and not make me have to do this.

but fine if i have to bury ctes 6 feet under then so be it.

My Agh's shard upgrade, which I have to spend 3 days and 2 successful lynches' worth of income on, is to become a ninja watcher.

there is no fucking SHOT this guy started the game with roughly the same power I have to spend 500 gold on. absolutely zero chance.

no more waffling. we wait for mzero to claim and the new shop to drop and we end the day.

lol gg then, no brainer

i think ctes's play makes sense in the context of him not believing both lea and kirby are town

it could have been a long con claim of course and his associations are not particularly clean

the point by kirby in #180 of scum having a watcher/tracker does make some sense to me given lea's flip

Lopen posted... I wonder if these roles weren't randomized at all

That would be an interesting twist

"interesting" is one word for it

i'll just say i hope that's not the case and save the rest for postgame

--

how do we have so many miller claims what is this place even

Lopen posted... Here's what happened.

You bussed roleblocker when the lynch was between roleblocker and role thief, while claiming role thief was town
You bussed rolethief based on no new information when rolethief was clearly not going to try to win the game for your team

You get negative town points for Hb. Not positive.

this is just actively not true and has been repeatedly debunked

Kirby321 posted... I don't think it's that complicated.

Hb was a role thief. His ability tells scum who has what role. It's similar to role cop in that sense.

Hb was screwed anyway on D2, so it makes sense to use Death's stolen ability to save himself and get one more scan on N2.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but from what I've noticed in previous games, dead scum can still interact with their teammates in these games. I'm 90% sure that's not how it works in Epic Mafia, so it's worth mentioning because that means Hb can still relay his scan info to his living teammates. And that is the reason I believe Hb tried to delay his death.

ok no that is not at all typical in my experience lol

have seen that people have claimed but am still catching up

changmas posted...

Tbh that might clear red from being scum, i really dont think he signs off on HB straight up suiciding for basically no reason.

like why even do that? They delayed his death for exactly one night phase. What exactly could be the purpose for that? He couldnt steal another ability since he just used one during that day. So either just for him to deliver the kill or if he had an item he really needed to use at night.

or i suppose if they read deaths ability wrong and thought Hb could be healing salved

i don't get the sense the scum team is exactly the most coordinated

i think it might have been a last ditch attempt to scare people off, or maybe they just wanted to deny people from getting the gold from being on the wagon

UltimaterializerX posted... Okay this is actually easy. Something was really funny about that lynch and this clears it up.

Lopen was on Sultan for ages, but it took forever for people to actually vote for him. HB, who was around, never voted for him in self preservation.

##Vote: HB

No need to overthink this one. And when HB flips scum, Han is next. He defended HB and Sultan both and tried to put suspicion on me when I was AFK -- and Han is the guy last game who told me it was okay to go AFK while at work and helped our community to reach the consensus on adulting and friending being more important than mafia.

Oh and Han never voted on day one. That's his scumtell. But we can kill his buddy first.

also this - although i think han posted well enough Day 2 for me to second guess my scumread on him, i have a hard time seeing ulti going in on bussing his teammate and setting up han as a partner and then...nightkilling han instead

Isquen posted...

False Promise - As a Death Delayer, you may, once per day, use an action to DM the host a living target. False Promise will affect that player with a turbulent glow that freezes their health state until the end of that phase, doubling any healing and damage done until a later time. If a player is to be killed while under the effects of False Promise, they will be notified that their time is running out and will die at the end of the following phase. Items that boost health regeneration while doomed by this will prevent this impending death.

If the target of False Promise is lynched, the target may not be saved at all, but their flip will not post until the start of the following day phase, and the target may still use night actions as if they were alive.

yeah it wouldn't have worked that'd just be broken

but there are like so many things that un-align ulti from sultan/hb (and the 3rd party theory is equally nonsensical imo)

##Vote: Lopen

Kirby321 posted...

Well, Ulti didn't protect Death, the Cop, during Star Wars/Pokmon Mafia, so I've just learned not to question Ulti's targets as Town.

Though, it's worth noting that Ulti claimed to buy a Health Salve yesterday. But the item is useless to anyone not aware of Death's role. Hmm...

Then again, Ulti didn't use the Health Salve to rescue Hb from death, so I guess that's a point in his favor.

i don't think the health salve would have worked? but that's not really relevant

to assume ulti as scum you have to assume he goes in on bussing his teammate sultan day 1 and then after that he 180s on teammate Hb right away after defending him day 1 when he could easily have pushed someone else, and in addition claims bodyguard for literally no reason while doing so, a claim he can basically never survive to endgame with, additionally risking being counter claimed if there's an actual bg or doctor in the setup. it makes 0 sense as scum play.

there's 0 logic whatsoever to lopen's accusation here and it just reads like someone who isn't actually trying to solve the game and is just painted into a corner as to who he can accuse

basically everything lopen posts is pure unfiltered garbage lmao

i could see going after me being a hopelessly tunneled townie but the fact he's tying to incriminate ulti for not protecting han over someone he thought was an investigative pr is absurd

like this is beyond all logical reasoning at this point

the person he was defending all day yesterday flips scum, and he has not re-evaluated or reconsidered any of his stances whatsoever. there is no consideration that maybe he was on the wrong track and had failed to consider things, he is just actually going back to saying the same old crap like hb flipping scum never happened

if he's town this is the worst town play i've ever seen, and i'm going to assum that's not the case and he's just scum/3rd party at this point

Lopen posted...

This role does not exist. This is poppy claiming scum strongman right to our face. It is far more situational than Kirby's

lol ok

i mean, this is literally not a role i had ever heard of prior to now so i don't know what to tell you. the conclusion i am somehow trueclaiming as a strongman is just absurd, you'e twisting anything possible to try to fit your narrative

Figures there's no point, but would prefer not to answer if it's multi-use. What.

yes i'm not going to out if my role has limited shots or not because that information is not beneficial to claim

changmas posted... I also had it in my head that Han could not vote at all on Day 1, so if you could point out where he was able to vote that would be helpful.

agree with the general case against HB but Ill let him at least show up and speak for himself before i vote for him. Still not feeling good about Death either.

dunno i could see a scenario where chang sees the momentum against his teammate on day 2 and decides it's inevitable but i don't think it's the most likely

changmas posted... and I can subsequently confirm that you can visit the shop without buying anything and learn the nature of your Aghanim's Shard upgrade, which is what I did, and why I asked that question. Probably worth doing, especially if you have no interest in any of the other shop items at the moment / have a phase without a useful action to perform.

changmas posted... sure did. it was objectively the most useful night action i could have taken N1

this just feels like a really towny night action claim, unprompted so it's not like he's trying to cover things up, says he has nothing useful to do, scum probably does have an action (unless the one stunning people or are the hammerer).

i think chang is probably just town tbh

TheSultanOfSlam posted... That too. That was not nessisarily what I was talking about more so what poppy has been doing. If anything to reverse it back on Chang... it looks like he is actually the one swinging at low hanging fruit

this comment from topic 2 sticks in my mind. it feels very random for him to attack changmas like that and my first instinct says not distancing given i'd just voiced suspicion of changmas to start this thing off, but at the same time i can't exactly figure what low hanging fruit he's supposed to be going after

changmas posted... no no i agree with you this time. it does feel like something's off for sultan this game. i dunno about fake incoherent though, because I don't believe sultan thinks of himself as incoherent. So i don't think he would try and fake that

this in topic 3 is interesting

changmas posted... is corrik mad because he's town and feeling not listened to (like always) or is he mad because he's scum and he thinks he's doing an amazing job but he thinks the deck is stacked against him

this isn't in relation to flipped scum but my gut take is that a post like this is townie

changmas posted... Barring a compelling reason elsewhere I'm liable to vote HB and test out Mzero's radar this game. He has a pretty good track record for finding scum day 1 and I'm not too hot on him either, though he is often suspected. I feel like he hasn't really come in with an impassioned defense like he did in the previous game (baseball mafia?) so ideally I'd to see him come in and respond before I make a final decision

this is pretty good though. it doesn't feel like a bus? the reasoning of simply wanting to test mzero is essentially not trying to take any credit for himself. and again as much as i've seen people float the idea that scum had resigned to throwing one of sultan/hb under the bus, the fact that they avoided voting each other suggests this was really not the case

changmas posted... i think a vote for lea today is a wasted vote.

i actually kinda liked what hb had to say when he came back in, although i'd like to see a little more from him still. starting to lean sultan on a vote i think tbh

basically fine, similar to my own thinking on sultan/hb at the time - and this is before sultan made that really bad post where he refused to vote hb. it doesn't suggest actions in sync with what we know the mafia were doing so chang more likely town than not based on this

well, hb was scum, so, like, eh. not that i don't disagree with red as potential scum. need to reread to remind myself of what change has actually done

on rereading han did get into it with lopen toward the later parts of the day but he did still say he was town so who knows

ctesjbuvf posted...

Han's thoughts about the game yesterday do line up very well with mine now I've just noticed.

If anyone wants to think Han was not simply shot because he's good.

what thoughts are those, exactly?

Obellisk posted...

Sorry I was confusing your power poppy. you have claimed an anti roleblocking power right?

yeah

ctesjbuvf posted...

Poppy have you told who you've used your ability on?

i haven't used it because we killed the roleblocker day 1 so i figured there was no point

Obellisk posted...

was poppys ability multi use?

i would prefer not to answer this

Lopen posted...

Like to me the most damning things against hb were interactions with Sultan and Han. Once I got less convinced Han was scum that made me even less sure of Hb. Then you throw in everyone wanting hb dead and only Mzero really going for pushing it everyone else just being lazy and yeah.

see again this just tells me that you aren't reading because i made a pretty good case that turned out to be right and you literally ignored the entire thing to yammer "derp prove it" over and over at me while claiming ulti and i didn't have good reason to be voting hb

so liek, either you're scum or playing as an asset to scum

Lopen posted...

Also there's no way I'd play Roshan or scum like this. I'm drawing far too much attention to myself.

lmfao ok

sure but atp i'd rather kill mafia

##Unvote

ctes when you get back here i'd like to hear in your own words why you still think kirby is scum