Board 8 > Dota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 8 - Lakad matataaaag (Normalin, normalin)

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Also if he thought you were the cop who scanned him, why not use it on you??

Lopen posted...

Also if he thought you were the cop who scanned him, why not use it on you??

this was also after I confirmed I was in fact not a cop.

... so he thought you cop scanned him
You said "no am not a cop and did not cop scan him"
Then he used it on ctes anyway

Yes. This makes sense

Like I know you all think I'm confirmed scum because death miller can't exist but paint Ulti's actions over the course of the game and you can't find town motivations for anything he's doing. It's all about placing pieces to avoid suspicion. Right now pre-emptively using the item he didn't have is entirely so he can't be asked to give it away.

Ulti buying that item to begin with doesn't even make sense with his role.

I imagine scum have their own secret shop and he needed to disguise why he was going there.

Someone should buy a healing salve at some point during the day and see if it disappears from the inventory like the mayo Kirby got or the pidas thing that MZero got

The Votals
[1] Lopen - (Sbell), (red), Ulti,
[1] Ulti - Lopen

there is that scarey feeling deep in the cockles... makes me think scum and 3rd party ate just laughing at the three of us. (sbulopti)

But I'm just going to stomp that down.

As long as Ulti is lynched I think we win. There is no third party.

Keep in mind the following things

1. Ulti is going to try and convince the game that Red or SBell is scum. Do not fall for his tricks.
2. Do not accept a no lynch. Scum could have another extra kill in the wings.

Actually it could be Poppy

Just keep in mind the following

Red hammer as a scum role seems silly, very unlikely to be scum imo
Sbell, if not Roshan (and if he is, whatever, just give him the game), is probably a "Roshan miller" of sorts
MZero's role is basically confirmed as a bonus income would be needed for him to buy the Pidas.
Poppy's role is too weird and risky to just fakeclaim out of nowhere

Ulti has by far played the most scummy of all of you in a vacuum. When miller watcher is not in the setup, the meta of "no useful roles" has value too. Jailkeeper is a weird protection role to have in the setup as well because there isn't much stuff to roleblock.

It could be Poppy that Ulti tries to convince you all is scum that is, using the Corrik gambit-- Kirby made a really good post that found Corrik's post with a list of town and scum reads that implied Corrik would not have targeted Poppy. SBell as it turns out was on that list too, conveniently.

After we all claimed

Try again

Ulti give your ward to someone

Not me or sbell

@PoppyTheNinja
@Mzero
@Red13n

Lets make some decisions here on how we are dealing with the next 28ish hours.

If one of you urged ulti to hand over the ward it might be harder for him to just ignore it

It's not about today (though clean sweeping scum in 4 days would be cool)

It's about tomorrow and being sure to lynch you when I flip psychic

PS Why are you not giving the ward Ulti

The Death Miller is fine in this setup. I think we could have figured it out even if I didn't catch Ctes. There are a few reasons it works here and I'll be happy to defend them when the game is over.

Like anyone thinking this is an unfair setup, providing I'm understanding it correctly, just wants baby mode mafia and doesn't want to think.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This decision was already made and anyone entertaining death miller needs to never sign up for mafia again.

Just can't end the day without them... thats all i'm saying here.

Now if the setup is 10/4/1 with Death Miller I would actually agree they shouldn't host again

As an 11/4 with a lot of role traps, the setup works though

Which incidentally, is why I'm a lot less nervous about being lynched and losing now. I think 10/4/1 Death Miller isn't a setup that passes the eye test. 11/4 though, with this specific death miller and this specific game setup, yeah, it works.

Like if we want to end the day I'm completely fine with it. We have MZero give me the pineapple just in case it's a sneaky extra kill, have Ulti hammer me.

Oh god we're still on with the death miller distraction. I appreciate the commitment I guess.

Also Kirby's role could do what my role does as well and trap the fake watcher

The design was intended that while the role is "unfair" there are a lot of outs to catch it. I still think if we use shovels we'd reveal the facade too, as well as Lea's thief role.

Red are you still Hammerer or did you upgrade to glorified Vanilla?

Now red13n not playing again, that I would humor

Literally 0 effort put in late game as town. Sad.

Red, if you Vote and then I Vote, will The Hammerer end the day?

If it does, don't do it yet. We need Mzero to give me the pineapple. (Or Ulti if you'd prefer)

Well Red can't be bothered to play anyway so it doesn't really matter.

UltimaterializerX posted...

How do you know Red is town?

lopen knows everyone is town except you.

It's a little unfair to be fair. I am the only one who has my night action results and role PM.

clearly we can't drink the wine infront of you.

Just as long as you drink both glasses of wine we should win

I've thought about this setup way more than any of you because of being frustrated over a Death Miller. So like, just trust me tomorrow, please.

And seriously

Ulti keeps ignoring me talk about the ward

He can't give the ward to any of you. It doesn't exist.

Obellisk posted...

@PoppyTheNinja
@Mzero
@Red13n

Lets make some decisions here on how we are dealing with the next 28ish hours.

i'm good for ending the day whenever i don't think there's a ton to discuss as of right now

i'll send the shovel to red i guess

##vote: Lopen

Okay then.

Well since red can't answer a simple question, guess I'll find out for myself.

##vote: Lopen

Hammerer come out come out where ever you are.

(no one vote please)

Maybe the hammerer was inside all of us, all along.

The Votals
[3] Lopen - (Sbell), (red), Ulti, red, Sbell
[1] Ulti - Lopen

Well that answers that.

I mean I think it's probably prudent for Mzero to give away the pineapple but I guess he doesn't have to since even if there's an extra kill tonight it's final 3 the two town can lynch ulti

Don't know why no one cares about the ward he claims he has though. Saves time tomorrow to press that lead now

shovel has been sent btw

Just end it Poppy.

I think Mzero handing the pineapple to Ulti and hammering me is probably the most likely to end the game in victory. But it might be a power up of some sort if used so risky. I do think mzero probably explodes if he holds onto it though.