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You took a GP from both of us! I should be at 110 he should be at 113
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Errors found:

All my stuff should be off recharge
I should have one more GP than listed (for Ilya leaving)
Eddv should have one less (for paying Ilya)
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Bass.EXE will have his time. He's just more Tsundere for Yu so it takes a longer time
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It's Bass.EXE with a Kirby ability set for Bass.EXE (and two Life Aura passives to break through which is the main reason I got it)
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10 EXP on Dante's Devil Trigger ability, completing it.
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Bass.EXE uses Get Ability on Kirby, gaining his Bass.EXE custom which replaces Luster Candy. Bassception!
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To celebrate their victory, Yu decides he's going to take Kirby for the ultimate test. The Rainy Day Beef Bowl Challenge! If this won't satisfy his hunger, nothing will. He approaches Kirby, who's randomly playing with a Waddle Doo. Yu's feeling great and wealthy, so he invites Waddle Doo to come with to compete in the challenge as well (though Yu can't exactly place where his mouth would be...)

After some waiting and anticipation, the massive bowls are delivered. Yu warns Kirby that he might want to take his time with this, savor the flavor. Kirby gives him a knowing nod, before digging in, and destroying it in record time. (did he go slower? Maybe a bit?)

Kirby looks to Waddle Doo's bowl
Kirby looks to Yu's bowl
Yu and Waddle Doo look to Kirby, then each other, and sulk their shoulders.

<(^_^)>

Kirby lets out a satisfied oiiiii~, rubs his tummy, kicks up his feet, and allows them to keep eating.

Kirby had defeated the seemingly endless meat bowl, but had it actually filled him up? Or was he being considerate of his friends? The beef bowl is legendary, and Kirby's lack of self restraint when it comes to food is as well, but... Yu personally chooses to believe in the power of friendship over the power of the meat dimension mythos.

(This time, at least. Please spare us your wrath flying meat monster!)

Yu s.Links with Kirby
Thou hast established a genuine bond. Kirby unlocks the Summon Helper ability.
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So those bids should put my GP at 110 and Eddv's GP at 113 because of Ilya upkeep.

Battle on MID as ATTACKER
4 Murder EXP on Duke's Balls of Steel

I'll think about the rest
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Brooklyn Nine Nine too low!!!

but I otherwise agree with the writeup completely (except for not liking Gina at first)
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Offer Eddv the services of Ilya for 0gp (negotiate hard leader san!)
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Cassandra Railly
Niles Crane
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MrGreenonion posted...

BB but they sure are fun to watch

This is a joke right
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I think the gameplay in Infinite looks like it has a lot of potential to be fun

But man those graphics are something out of the late 90s and it has a hud some dude made on MUGEN. Lots of work needs to be done visually I think. Just update Marvel 3's style it really looked pretty nice.
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That was a cool team. Chun Li and a very manly Phoenix
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Archer would be like the combination of Shirou and Gilgamesh in that video. So the dude firing all the weapons which look like bullets, Archer can do this with any weapon he knows of, combined with the guy blocking all of em with his own weapons.
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I think Dracula is only effortless to explode because the Star Dragon Sword is here. I don't see him surviving against rocket propelled Star Dragon Swords.
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Dante's weapons are the souls of demons he's killed yeah

I'm pretty sure I was not asked that!
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Will give my take on the match because neither leader can be bothered to argue and none of the votes can either

Pros of Archer's Team:
- Good starting position + 100m, and the ability to fire all sorts of overpowered weapons at will.
- Cloud can buff Archer, making him more effective-- possibly can even buff himself as Archer will be bombarding the enemy team enough that they're going to need to be prioritizing dodging
- Ranged options on the enemy team are fairly garbage, meaning Archer can pretty much fire at will until they get to him
- Cloud is decent backup, and can probably hold off one or two enemy melees for a bit
- B&K, Geese, Juliet, Neclord, Alice, Dracula are probably all mowed down pretty easily before even getting in or contributing anything of note, and without any real effort put into it. Archer can fire so many weapons at once, some of which are going to be literally exploding for AoE damage.
- Loss of ideal teammates clause means that Shao may do some dickish thing like grab Sora and use him as a shield while he approaches.

Pros of Dante's Team:
- Assuming Archer eliminates the ones he can effortlessly explode, that leaves Dante, Sora, Lightning, and Shao Kahn. This is a match Archer will lose if he's in a 4v1.
- Dante, Sora, and Lightning are all very good at dodging. Not a given Archer can take any of them out on the approach.
- Shao is very durable and has teleportation. Also not a given he can be taken out on the approach.

I think it's a match that isn't super clear and needs a bit of Archer hype on the more obscure weapons he can and has projected for the easy sale myself, but what can you do.
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Imo rocket Star Dragon Swords pretty much massacre Dracula and Neclord without any effort, which is kinda good because thinning the numbers in that first 100m is paramount for Archer here.
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Think Cloud has the Star Dragon Sword btw
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Strong arguments from both sides.
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Usually I wouldn't have argued it but it seems like a sleep status ailment in every sense of the word. *shrug
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Couldn't Flynn open with Salvation to wake Haseo up.
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The write-up says it's Yuffie so I don't know why we're discussing Neptune's personality to begin with.
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That's also a possibility. I'm not sure Raiden in ripper mode is going to be going for the ideal target right off and if he doesn't Armstrong probably bowls into him or he gets shot first.

Very interesting match despite assuming a stomp coming in. I'd probably abstain from this one either way.
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To be fair he was saying Haseo gets OHKOed by a headshot.

Which might actually be viable, but not with Turok

Raiden on the other hand. Blade Mode gives him bullet time and lets him see enemy weakpoints and he has a sword that basically cuts through anything, against an immobile target. Him OHKOing Haseo might be a thing that can happen. Would need some good selling of Haseo to think otherwise.
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Well it takes 2 minutes of a goober orc with an axe hitting it to kill it, which means it's not entirely brittle

That being said I tend to agree with Drak that piercing armor probably is very effective given its appearance.

Not sure it gets one shotted though it's kinda thick. She might need to swing a few times just to get the surface area.

Although I'm not sure it's relevant. Even with +50% params I don't know how relevant Grigori is in a small arena with Ripper Raiden and Armstrong tearing things up.
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On the one hand, sure

On the other the terrain is small enough that she basically starts in melee range with the totem

What does that thing actually take to knock down anyway? How many Saber strikes is it taking
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A lightsaber seems like a great weapon to destroy something with. This may be Jaesa's time to shine-- can she save Grigori in record time?!?
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I voted against the Samus weapon loadout both times for what it's worth
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It's a game of human chess
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I don't know but I do know they probably eclipsed 22 in like 6 months.

http://www.profightdb.com/wrestler_search/dolph-ziggler-450.html?opp=3295

Here's a match listing if you're interested. I got to 12 televised singles matches and realized I'd only scrolled 1/3 the way up. Never mind the tag matches and non-televised ones.
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It has to Kofi vs Dolph
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That moment as a newbie where golf swinging technique clicked and I was able to hit a golfball like 10x as far despite putting way less power into the swing was magical.

I mean I'm still basically a newbie cause I never really got into golf, but I'm curious if you'll be bad enough to start to have a moment like that
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I mean I like Ilya as much as the next guy as my signature will tell you, but she's clearly not the best part of her own show even when there's not loli sexualization abound.

Although it's not even Ilya's fault for the most part-- screw you Chloe
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Ilya's a decent show that'd be 1000% better without any loli fanservice

And hell it'd probably be better without any lolis period. Give me a Rin and Luvia show with occasional appearances from Caren instead.
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With Vergil it's quite literally that the human side of him is considered weak. There's no "heart" or "soul" or any sort of cliche abstractions made there. It's he wants to be more like Sparda cause Sparda was an almighty Demon Lord. Dante isn't so much concerned with preserving his human side because of some sort of attachment to the human side of him cause of "heart" or "soul" as much as he simply isn't obsessed with gaining power, so his human side is naturally preserved without any real effort on either end from him.

It's for that reason that really, the idea that Dante gets significantly better with Devil Trigger as time goes on is kind of a jump. He uses it incredibly sparingly in the games, and you could assume he makes no effort to really get better at using his demon side, since that's just not a concern of his. So I mean, you basically need to assume that the undocumented 10 years between games has Dante facing stuff that's significantly more dangerous than the stuff featured in the games-- otherwise he'd just... not be using his Devil Trigger, and so would have no real reason to get better at it, even if that's the kinda thing that could be expected to happen with time.

Vergil, you could make that jump, though amusingly enough he does not devil trigger any more often in DMC4 than he does in DMC3, which kinda implies it is in fact not like Dragonball crap and might not be something you "get better at."
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...everything to do with Vergil? the more he gives up his soul the more he becomes just a raw devil. gives up soul for power.

This isn't a thing, no. Maybe the word you were looking for is humanity? He wants to master his demon side (which, for all you want to say about Dante taking it easy, Vergil not CONSTANTLY being in Devil Trigger mode is a glaring plothole for him if DT works how you're claiming) to get more powerful. "Selling your soul" is a demon cliche but not really something that exists in DMC so much. Demon's souls are referenced often.
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Like, demons in the games reference giving their soul to Dante for his weapons. Dante references Sparda's Soul in the exchange with Vergil at the end of DMC3. Demons not having souls in DMC I'm not sure where you even got that. If anything the games sorta bludgeon you with the opposite.
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Wanglicious posted...

the idea of giving up your soul for more power here matches up with the series' idea that devils don't have souls, they only have power. he transforms into a devil to fix that, canceling out its effects as he stays in DT for that duration.

What. Where did you even get that as part of the DMC mythos. That's clearly incorrect and leans more to you trying to impose random headcanon on the game, much like you're doing by changing Dante's life into some sorta kaio-ken gravity training chamber for Devil Trigger despite nothing in the games leaning towards him getting better with it over time.

But yeah it's still draining his life energy while he has it in spite of being in DT, so "not having a soul" isn't helping there. And all the menu descriptions for the item basically say the same, here. Soul = life force not literally YERR SOULLLL.

Do you even play these games or do you just watch cutscenes.
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Well I mean he braced himself to block a Savior punch, and sorta gets pushed back a bit-- and this is when the Savior was deactivating. DT he could've held stronger against punches, caused the boat to rock less.

As for plot holes: Every fight in 1 and 3 that Dante takes seriously that does not feature Dante using DT at all in cutscene. Probably 5 or 6 minimum between the two games.

And the artifact that gives him unlimited power at the cost of draining his lifeforce actually does something.
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I really hope it isn't Brooklyn Nine Nine that you're ranking so low.
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It's not so much he can't do it at will as much as, he hesitates in using it. You're the one trying to fabricate reasons like "he clearly can't hold back" which we never really have any indication of. Like why would something like "blocking better against this giant stone statue punch" be something that you'd risk hurting Nero and Kyrie with. Like he gets so much power from DT his block is gonna send out shockwaves?

I'm just saying there are a lot less plotholes in DMC if there's some sorta cost to Devil Triggering, even if the cost is something as simple as "if I use it now I won't be able to use it later." It's not defined clearly either way, but the game hints in gameplay, boss gameplay, and cutscenes, that it has limits, so it's more sensible to just figure it probably has some limits.
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Even ignoring "ideal teammates capable of a pre-executed plan" I'm not even sure who the anti-social dicks are, here.

KOS-MOS - She's a robot who is all about making the smartest moves. No emotions there. She's got no reason or desire to go rogue.
Donte - Works well with his allies in DmC. Not really anti-social, just a jerk to enemies.
Wrex - Anti-social a bit, but clearly good at working with a team and following orders, given the game he's from. Has that one moment where he has a tiff with Shep, but really pushed to that point-- unlikely to come up in a skirmish.
Liquid - Leads FOXHOUND. Clearly can work with a team just fine.
Bass - Maybe? But not to a fault or anything.
Yu - No.
Kirby - No.
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trdl23 posted...

half of Team Donte being pompous, antisocial dicks are what sell it to me. If they all fought together and optimally at the right distance, they could put up a good fight... but that ain't happening here.

Nice ignoring that ideal teammates clause
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I'm talking more about, the series as a whole, though The Savior would probably count as Dante was pretty much playing seriously there. I mean he even goes power for power with it a bit as he blocks a punch with his sword-- if DT wasn't something that had any sort of cost, no reason he doesn't use it against him cause strength is something DT helps a good deal with.

Also just for the record I refreshed on the cutscene. I slightly misrepresented it, but honestly I kinda think what actually DOES happen is probably even more indicative that DT can't just be used infinitely.



Like, Dante sits there getting drained forever until Jester informs him that the artifact gives him POWER in exchange for his soul. Then he flips on Devil Trigger with that prodding, knowing he has POWER cause why not, and asks why the hell Jester didn't tell him that to begin with-- sorta raises the question of why he didn't try to do it beforehand if he can just do it as much as he wants.
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For what it's worth it's not really an established fact that he CAN'T do it infinitely but I think there are a lot less plot holes if you assume he can't. "He wasn't challenged" isn't quite good enough, cause there are a lot of situations where he is clearly challenged and still isn't doing it. It's only when he's pretty much at the brink of death when he's doing it in cutscenes, pretty much ever. Even when like, he's fighting in situations where he's pretty much serious, and his friends are at risk, and he's cutting it rather close. Dante's really carefree in say, 70% of the games, but he's got a pretty big selection of fights he's taking seriously, in all of the games, and yeah, you never see him just busting out DT without a major reason for it. Vergil following pretty much the exact same mechanics as an enemy as the player does is a hint too.

That and, the artifact Kanzaris is referring to giving Dante infinite DT as part of the power of the artifact, well, it probably means something. Otherwise it's not really giving Dante any power-- just draining his life to let Dante do something... he can apparently already do?
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You're still misrepresenting it. The artifact is literally making him DT. It's not "oh crap this is killing me I'd better DT" and still failing to tank it-- it is in fact that the artifact is giving him the power to DT infinitely, at the price of draining his life. The fact that the only time he does that is when in possession of an artifact known to give extra power at cost should be a hint that he can't just do it infinitely at his whim, not evidence that he can.
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No I meant Jester said that about the artifact Kanz is talking about. It's literally sucking his soul out (in a "I'm draining your lifeforce" way not a "you're losing your humanity oh noo" way) and forcing him to DT as it does so. He's not DTing to "regen tank it." In fact you don't even regen in that mission because of DT, you need to kill things for health pickups

DT in fights used recklessly seems more like a thing that causes fatigue if used excessively so there's a certain recharge period to it. It's generally only used in desperate situations in cutscenes, either on pure reflex or because the dude just got desperate and was willing to accept any fatigue cost later.
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That's not really true. The artifact forces him to DT as it's killing him. Like it floods him with power or whatever and he can't turn DT off even if he wants to. Jester says "it exchanges the soul for power" or something like that. DT's limitation is definitely more than a gameplay thing and can't be done at all times. Even boss Vergil obeys limitations with his Devil Trigger, and it's only ever used sparingly in the cutscenes for the same reason.
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