Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 467: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Tells Your Story

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Forceful_Dragon
10/05/25 7:26:25 PM
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Are narcissists capable of introspection or reflection?

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Seanchan
10/05/25 7:27:45 PM
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They love their own reflection!

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Raka_Putra
10/05/25 11:11:01 PM
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I was just thinking about this title when I was reading the last few posts in the previous topic!

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foolm0r0n
10/05/25 11:49:55 PM
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https://bsky.app/profile/kojamf.bsky.social/post/3m2gqqno6xs2m

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Sheep007
10/06/25 8:55:14 AM
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France's new PM just resigned after a month because he couldn't get his cabinet voted in. Elections surely coming as the government is entirely useless, and the far-right will likely be coming in. Just a matter of how long Macron clings on, but I imagine the longer he stays the more support RN gets. Bit of a dilemma because if he doesn't leave, things have no chance to get better but it stops the far-right getting in short-term.

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FFDragon
10/06/25 9:02:02 AM
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foolm0r0n posted...
https://bsky.app/profile/kojamf.bsky.social/post/3m2gqqno6xs2m

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foolm0r0n
10/06/25 9:08:21 AM
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Sigh I thought the whole point of bluesky was to be public

https://bsky.app/profile/youranoncentral.bsky.social/post/3m2iercyut22e

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Reg
10/06/25 9:10:23 AM
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Sheep007 posted...
France's new PM just resigned after a month because he couldn't get his cabinet voted in. Elections surely coming as the government is entirely useless, and the far-right will likely be coming in. Just a matter of how long Macron clings on, but I imagine the longer he stays the more support RN gets. Bit of a dilemma because if he doesn't leave, things have no chance to get better but it stops the far-right getting in short-term.
I'm not well educated in French politics but isn't a big reason for the current situation over there that Macron and his party outright refused to cooperate with the Left coalition despite them getting a plurality in the most recent elections? That was my probably incomplete understanding.
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Forceful_Dragon
10/06/25 9:21:59 AM
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My likely imperfect understanding is that the recent revolving door is a result of the sides being unable to decide on how to pass a balanced budget. Dinner want to raise taxes and others want to lower expenses and both sides are opposed to compromise.

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Sheep007
10/06/25 9:28:06 AM
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Reg posted...
I'm not well educated in French politics but isn't a big reason for the current situation over there that Macron and his party outright refused to cooperate with the Left coalition despite them getting a plurality in the most recent elections? That was my probably incomplete understanding.
Kind of? It's a bit of column A a bit of the other 25 lettered columns. The parliament is hung like a r34 minotaur and essentially, whichever way the votes swing will not be enough to get everyone on board. Everyone hates Macron, and enough of the parliament is far-left or far-right that whichever way they try to swing, there's no chance of compromise really, as both refuse to cooperate - the moderate left want to basically slow down paying off the fucked national debt (which I kind of understand but is right now a one way ticket to begging the IMF for help), which Macron isn't in a position to force through because the conservatives won't vote for it. And the moderate right refuse to raise taxes which is kinda necessary if they want to actually pay off that debt. The far-left would rather side with the far-right in voting against literally anything because even if they probably won't win the next election, it's at least a chance to win and it gets the liberals out. And the far-right know they'll win so they can just straight up refuse.

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foolm0r0n
10/06/25 9:48:37 AM
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If only the US had such a nice multiparty system

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Seanchan
10/06/25 9:48:39 AM
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https://time.com/7323442/south-carolina-judge-diane-goodstein-house-fire-trump-political-violence/

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LightningStrikes
10/06/25 9:50:04 AM
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Yeah thats a fair assessment by Sheep. To give an idea of the numbers right now it is 577 seats with 289 needed for a majority and the seats are:

Government: 213
Far-Right: 126
Left bloc: 176
Regionalists: 21
Other left: 17
Other right: 16
Independents: 8

So basically there is no path to a majority that doesnt include either the left or the far-right. Of course making things even more complicated is that the left bloc is itself an alliance of multiple parties with the main components being the centre-left, the left/far-left, and the greens. However it is split in a way that it is not like the government can just peel off the centre-left and have enough MPs to govern.

All of this is made even more difficult by the fact that the government itself is already a very uneasy coalition of centrists, liberals, centre-right conservatives and even literal not even joking Bonapartists. It is already very unstable by itself. So really there are two viable options, appoint a left Prime Minister or hold fresh elections.

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IShall_Run_Amok
10/06/25 10:22:04 AM
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Seanchan posted...
https://time.com/7323442/south-carolina-judge-diane-goodstein-house-fire-trump-political-violence/
Years of Lard, I think they're calling it.

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Sheep007
10/06/25 10:28:53 AM
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I would obviously like to see a left PM even if I don't like Melenchon, but I think even if Macron signalled he was willing to do that, they'd rather elections. Taking power right now would be a trap for any party especially for such a short-term period, with godawful finances hanging over their heads and large-scale social unrest. And I might be cynical, but I'm of the opinion that a lot of leftist parties with genuinely radical ideals or policies much prefer being in opposition, capitalism is a system that's easy to critique and near-impossible to actually subvert.

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foolm0r0n
10/06/25 10:51:22 AM
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Seanchan posted...
https://time.com/7323442/south-carolina-judge-diane-goodstein-house-fire-trump-political-violence/
It's very irresponsible for them to be claiming political violence for something that could very likely be a gas leak. It could easily be political violence too, but the chance that it's a gas leak is just too great. Unless they know something

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HeroicCrono
10/06/25 11:35:15 AM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Yeah thats a fair assessment by Sheep. To give an idea of the numbers right now it is 577 seats with 289 needed for a majority and the seats are:

Government: 213
Far-Right: 126
Left bloc: 176
Regionalists: 21
Other left: 17
Other right: 16
Independents: 8

So basically there is no path to a majority that doesnt include either the left or the far-right. Of course making things even more complicated is that the left bloc is itself an alliance of multiple parties with the main components being the centre-left, the left/far-left, and the greens. However it is split in a way that it is not like the government can just peel off the centre-left and have enough MPs to govern.

All of this is made even more difficult by the fact that the government itself is already a very uneasy coalition of centrists, liberals, centre-right conservatives and even literal not even joking Bonapartists. It is already very unstable by itself. So really there are two viable options, appoint a left Prime Minister or hold fresh elections.

Bonapartists? What's their platform, have a Third Empire led by a descendant of Napoleon?

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Forceful_Dragon
10/06/25 2:36:18 PM
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The Commissioner of the Social Security Administration was just named the "CEO" of the Internal Revenue Service.

This is a position that didn't exist before and it's not immediately clear how this is different from the position of IRS commissioner.

The Treasury Department said in a statement that Bisignano will be responsible for overseeing all day-to-day IRS operations while also continuing to serve in his role as commissioner of the Social Security Administration.

So he's effectively running both? Except by creating a new position it maybe doesn't require Senate confirmation?

But the IRS commissioner is a position that actually exists. Although it is currently being filled in an acting capacity by the Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent.

Aka even more ridiculous power grabbing being done by the executive branch.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/06/25 2:51:19 PM
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?????

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2kbl7xoqb2n

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UshiromiyaEva
10/06/25 3:52:12 PM
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https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2kcfhekdg2a

I truly think he may be the worst living human being? He's worse than Trump himself for sure. By the "buy them a beer" metric, I'd probably sooner chip in for Putin.

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Sheep007
10/06/25 3:59:34 PM
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HeroicCrono posted...
Bonapartists? What's their platform, have a Third Empire led by a descendant of Napoleon?
They're perfectly respectable, bipartisan supporters of the current administration. Don't ask what their opinions were when Mussolini was in charge.

I wish I was joking about any of that but it's not even cracking the top hundred in the list of concerns about French politics.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/06/25 4:01:08 PM
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Schumer asks why Democrats should believe GOP will solve expiring health insurance tax credits in November

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer asked why Democrats should believe Republicans when they say they will negotiate on the expiring Affordable Care Act tax credits once the government reopens.

"If you're not ready to solve it now, how do we know you're going to solve it 45 days from now?" Schumer said.

Republicans' proposal would fund the government until Nov. 21. Democrats argue that pushes negotiations too close to the end of the year, when the enhanced tax credits for people who purchase health insurance through Affordable Care Act marketplaces expire. The subsidies were originally passed in 2021 during the pandemic and extended in 2022 for another three years.

There's urgency in extending the tax credits now, Democrats say, because open enrollment begins Nov. 1 and Americans face skyrocketing prices without the subsidies.

Democrats' plan would make the tax credits permanent.

"Insurers are waiting around to set rates for next year. They're doing it right now, not three months from now," Schumer, a New York Democrat, said.


I still have very little faith in the congressional Democrats and will not be surprised when/if they cave... But at the moment I'm pleasantly surprised that Schumer is saying the right things.

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Thorn
10/06/25 4:08:52 PM
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As infuriating as Schumer can be at... honestly, most times... he does occasionally find the right moment.

Now Jeffries... that's the NY Dem leading a caucus in Congress that I simply can't find anything positive to say about.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/06/25 4:10:12 PM
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I don't even know how Jeffries got where he is. Is it just because he's in New York? That can't be our only qualifier.

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Reg
10/06/25 4:48:19 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
I don't even know how Jeffries got where he is. Is it just because he's in New York? That can't be our only qualifier.
Isn't it just "because Pelosi said so"?
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Thorn
10/06/25 4:52:20 PM
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I'm not sure it was that direct but he was definitely being groomed for leadership post-Pelosi for a few years before it happened.

He entered leadership back in 2018 as the 5th ranking Democrat (after a few years in the House) and was made an impeachment manager for Trump's first impeachment and when Pelosi stepped down she endorsed him and so he ended up becoming Minority Leader unopposed.

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Forceful_Dragon
10/06/25 5:00:04 PM
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His primary qualifications seems to be the ability to talk for 24 hours straight to virtue signals in a way that doesn't effectively opposing Republican agendas.

I guess that makes him the perfect Democrat?

If "performative indignation" was a person.

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LightningStrikes
10/06/25 5:10:22 PM
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Sheep007 posted...
I would obviously like to see a left PM even if I don't like Melenchon, but I think even if Macron signalled he was willing to do that, they'd rather elections. Taking power right now would be a trap for any party especially for such a short-term period, with godawful finances hanging over their heads and large-scale social unrest. And I might be cynical, but I'm of the opinion that a lot of leftist parties with genuinely radical ideals or policies much prefer being in opposition, capitalism is a system that's easy to critique and near-impossible to actually subvert.

Yeah whoever is in charge is going to get punished in 2027, Macrons whole gambit was that the far-right would win and get destroyed in the presidential election. Of course the big problem with that plan is that it meant wrecking the country for three hears and voters did not agree!

Youre absolutely right on the point about some leftwingers never wanting power by the way. It is not most but a fair amount. Maybe you saw but there was some interesting recent polling of UK Green party members (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53108) showing that about 20% of members would not want to form a coalition with any other party, in other words do not want to enter government. It is the permanent opposition mindset and I have just no time for it.

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NFUN
10/06/25 5:29:16 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Yeah whoever is in charge is going to get punished in 2027, Macrons whole gambit was that the far-right would win and get destroyed in the presidential election. Of course the big problem with that plan is that it meant wrecking the country for three hears and voters did not agree!

Youre absolutely right on the point about some leftwingers never wanting power by the way. It is not most but a fair amount. Maybe you saw but there was some interesting recent polling of UK Green party members (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53108) showing that about 20% of members would not want to form a coalition with any other party, in other words do not want to enter government. It is the permanent opposition mindset and I have just no time for it.
I think that's the opinion of a great deal of The Left in Germany

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foolm0r0n
10/06/25 5:44:38 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2kcfhekdg2a

I truly think he may be the worst living human being? He's worse than Trump himself for sure. By the "buy them a beer" metric, I'd probably sooner chip in for Putin.
Technically Bannon has to be worse since he is incredibly competent while also believing pretty much the same stuff

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UshiromiyaEva
10/06/25 6:28:23 PM
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https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2klyultyl2i

I'll give Jeffries this, he's made sure that not much has to be said to give Dems the moral highground. All week Republicans from all a cross the country have been throwing all the bullshit they can at the wall to justify themselves, changing tactics and excuses left and right, while all the Dems really have to say is....this. On repeat. They don't have to vary the message or change anything about it at all, and it's such a no brainer that it's giving them the advantage in public sentiment since Day 1 of the shutdown. Whether they'll do something to make Dems cave, that's to be seen, but on a public sentiment level I think this is going to just get worse and worse for the Republicans until it's over. As hard as it is to believe I think they're on the backfoot, since as of yesterday afternoon or so (I assume after getting a bad pulse off of the a Sunday Morning Shows), even Johnson himself has shifted from "this isn't about Healthcare" to "Actually we're definitely going to be serious about Healthcare, super serious".

Healthcare was the 4th highest priority for American voters this time last year, but I won't be surprised if this entire situation causes that to rise up further just through osmosis.

Also Dems get to throw in an Epstein jab here and there. Really Rs they should have just rushed that vote in right before the shutdown rather than making it a part of it, because it's going to happen no matter what but now it's *attached* to this.

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Sheep007
10/06/25 6:59:25 PM
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LightningStrikes posted...
Youre absolutely right on the point about some leftwingers never wanting power by the way. It is not most but a fair amount. Maybe you saw but there was some interesting recent polling of UK Green party members (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53108) showing that about 20% of members would not want to form a coalition with any other party, in other words do not want to enter government. It is the permanent opposition mindset and I have just no time for it.
I actually didn't see this yet, thanks for sharing! YouGov have decided to only send me marketing surveys about ITV and petroleum brands and shit so I'm barely opening things from them right now. We've known it for a few years but it's nice to see them transforming from a rural, NIMBY small-c conservative party to a genuine leftist possibility a bit like in the rest of Europe. A lot of my younger friends are almost voting them by default.

Less nice to see half of them aren't willing to work with Labour or even the Lib Dems. They're a mostly environmentalist party, they won't be the first choice in our lifetimes, they need to at least be trying to have a say in government. And I'm glad they're branching out to a wider leftist party, but a little bit concerned they'll become a double-issue Palestine/environment party (which isn't bad but it's also not really a policy platform). With some luck they'll also continue to care about trans rights!

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foolm0r0n
10/07/25 1:50:07 PM
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He's always lucid and considerate on this particular topic
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-talk-doj-about-maxwell-pardon-says-diddy-asked-one-2025-10-06/

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 2:14:13 PM
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Sometimes their brains just turn off.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2mpkekz4y2s

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 4:17:16 PM
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Fuck Gavin Newsom

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Kenri
10/07/25 4:32:19 PM
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Hard to tell what future position Newsom is gunning for -- alt-right grifter or republican president. But definitely one of those two.

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Dancedreamer
10/07/25 4:36:38 PM
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Newsom seems to think that trans issues are what won Trump the election, not the fact that prices were going up.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 4:42:54 PM
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I mean he's extemely and aggressively anti-Maga, but despite that he loves cozying up with Republicans. He feels like...a complete reflection of a centrist. It's not that he's sitting in the middle, he's bouncing back and forth between the extremes of both.

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foolm0r0n
10/07/25 5:23:58 PM
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He's a very standard centrist. Haven't seen a single extreme thing from him. It seems to fit California pretty well at least.

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Seanchan
10/07/25 5:33:13 PM
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did Newsom do something recently?

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 5:39:11 PM
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https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/10/gavin-newsom-vetoes-gender-education-bill-declines-to-sign-other-trans-protections/

However it looks like there may be some misleading information here. He's only vetoed a single, older bill, however 10 other pro-Trans bills were recently passed. By CA law, unless he actively goes out of his way to veto them by 10/12, all of them will go into law even if he doesn't sign them.


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foolm0r0n
10/07/25 5:46:43 PM
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It's all so tame. If he were a frontrunner to beat Trumpism (which he absolutely would not be tbf), it would be very easy to vote for him.

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Kenri
10/07/25 5:48:24 PM
#43:


It's still a really, really bad look for the governor of the bluest state in the union. Citing the need for additional research as a reason to veto the gender education bill is particularly worrisome -- if you're trans you know exactly what that means when someone says that. It means they don't trust any scientific consensus that is remotely truthful and are waiting for a study that spreads lies about trans people instead.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 5:51:46 PM
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...Yeah, it's not tame. This shit is very fucking important. Abandoning Trans people is a dark path to First They Came. You already have Thomas giving a lecture a couple weeks ago where he said he'd be up to maybe turning over Obergefell if it came up on the docket (though at the very least even Alito said a few days ago that shit ain't happening...for now).

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AuraChannelerCh
10/07/25 7:12:26 PM
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I don't remember Gavin being this...off before. He does look like he wants to be like an extreme DINO copying Trump for some reason.

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foolm0r0n
10/07/25 7:27:32 PM
#46:


It is incredibly tame and you need to acknowledge that when talking to average people

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UshiromiyaEva
10/07/25 7:34:11 PM
#47:


I'll keep my conscience thank you.

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Thorn
10/07/25 7:40:37 PM
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The White House and OMB are now trying to just gaslight everyone on the law guaranteeing shutdown furloughed workers backpay (that Trump signed after the shutdown in his first term) by now going "oh no that isn't what it said"

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/07/g-s1-92363/omb-memo-shutdown-federal-worker-backpay

When questioned about it by reporters, Trump basically gave a response straight from a mob boss playbook:

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m2mjf75kgw27

Reporter: Is it the WH's position that furloughed workers should be paid their back pay?
Trump: [some typical Trump preamble attacking Dems] ...but it really depends on who we're talking about. But for the most part we're going to take care of our people. There are some people that really don't deserve to be taken care of., and we'll take care of them in a different way.

When also asked about the same memo, Mike Johnson of course sided with the WH and suggested that maybe their gaslighting about the text of the law was correct.

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foolm0r0n
10/07/25 7:46:21 PM
#49:


Ah right, the privileged's most prized and most fragile possession

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he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
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swordz9
10/07/25 7:46:52 PM
#50:


I really dont get why we cant just throw them out of office when theyre actively lying about everything they say and unwilling to follow the actual laws. Like this is where our ancestors wouldve started tossing these guys out of windows
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