Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXVII: Day 23 [smfffc]

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PlasmaKappa 04/26/25 11:51:07 AM #451:	Espeon posted... still for emet --- https://www.twitch.tv/plasmakappa - Randomizer Hundo Hub Tales of Berseria <cite>PlasmaKappa posted [p:984857976] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted... </cite><quote>still</quote>for emet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blaziken 04/26/25 11:58:45 AM #452:	PlasmaKappa posted... for emet Will do. --- Inviso thinks all starters should be Fire/Fighting. http://i.imgur.com/oOSm64C.gif <cite>Blaziken posted [p:984858043] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>PlasmaKappa posted... </cite><quote>for emet</quote>Will do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/26/25 12:00:51 PM #453:	Round now --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984858064] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Round now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 04/26/25 12:04:54 PM #454:	Round later (I'm about to watch Star Wars) --- That girl is poison... Never trust a big butt and smile :> <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:984858092] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Round later(I'm about to watch Star Wars)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/26/25 12:04:55 PM #455:	th3l3fty posted... no --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984858093] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>th3l3fty posted... </cite><quote>no</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mewtwo59 04/26/25 12:35:31 PM #457:	SaveEstelle posted... I should note that I hardly feel like XV and XVI are terrific in this regard. But its not hard to have more frequent scenes between hero and villain than XII did! XVI has some strong direct relationships between Clive and some of the antagonists. Unfortunately, spoiler guy isn't one of them. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984858399] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>SaveEstelle posted... </cite><quote>I should note that I hardly feel like XV and XVI are terrific in this regard. But its not hard to have more frequent scenes between hero and villain than XII did!</quote>XVI has some strong direct relationships between Clive and some of the antagonists. Unfortunately, spoiler guy isn't one of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/26/25 12:43:31 PM #458:	I was so behind everything with Kupka bro. Now that was payoff. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984858496] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I was so behind everything with Kupka bro. Now that was payoff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 04/26/25 1:59:34 PM #459:	Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII. --- Slowly becoming a Mega Man aficionado. <cite>andylt posted [p:984859367] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/26/25 2:03:19 PM #460:	andylt posted... Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII. Yep, give me Barthandelus any day Shame he's somehow the best of XIII's bad guys, what a crew --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984859406] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>andylt posted... </cite><quote>Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII.</quote>Yep, give me Barthandelus any dayShame he's somehow the best of XIII's bad guys, what a crew</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaveEstelle 04/26/25 2:05:34 PM #461:	MZero posted... Call me old fashioned but if I'm face to face with the main villain we should be killing each other. I don't think it adds much and it leads to a lot of things I hate like force-lose battles, battles that you win but lose in the story, the villain clearly being in position to kill your party but then has to leave because he has Urgent Business to attend to, etc. There are exceptions of course, like if it's not clear they're the villain at first, but in general I can do without it The main villain needs to be present in the story! Just not interacting with the heroes directly. Consider like Ocarina of Time. You basically see Ganondorf kidnap Zelda and then next time you see him it's time to throw down. But you know he's behind everything Hmm! OK! I dont quite agree but I think theres plenty of place for the types of villains which you prefer structurally as well! But for main villains throughout a story ehhhh. Mewtwo59 posted... XVI has some strong direct relationships between Clive and some of the antagonists. Unfortunately, spoiler guy isn't one of them. Yup. pjbasis posted... I was so behind everything with Kupka bro. Now that was payoff. Also yup. andylt posted... Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII. n o p e --- Quinton Bylines: TheGamer, RPG Site, Nova Crystallis, RPGFan <cite>SaveEstelle posted [p:984859431] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite><quote>Call me old fashioned but if I'm face to face with the main villain we should be killing each other. I don't think it adds much and it leads to a lot of things I hate like force-lose battles, battles that you win but lose in the story, the villain clearly being in position to kill your party but then has to leave because he has Urgent Business to attend to, etc. There are exceptions of course, like if it's not clear they're the villain at first, but in general I can do without itThe main villain needs to be present in the story! Just not interacting with the heroes directly. Consider like Ocarina of Time. You basically see Ganondorf kidnap Zelda and then next time you see him it's time to throw down. But you know he's behind everything</quote>Hmm! OK! I dont quite agree but I think theres plenty of place for the types of villains which you prefer structurally as well! But for main villains throughout a story ehhhh.Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>XVI has some strong direct relationships between Clive and some of the antagonists. Unfortunately, spoiler guy isn't one of them.</quote>Yup.pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>I was so behind everything with Kupka bro. Now that was payoff.</quote>Also yup.andylt posted... </cite><quote>Well here's a take, Barthandelus is used better in XIII's story than Vayne is in XII.</quote>nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/26/25 9:18:36 PM #462:	Vayne is a better character than Barthandelus but Barthandelus was better at being a villain --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:984864166] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Vayne is a better character than Barthandelus but Barthandelus was better at being a villain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/26/25 11:56:29 PM #463:	I did like the fights with Barthandelus. Also really cool imagery all around in his boss fights. That game definitely had an interesting art direction. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984865475] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I did like the fights with Barthandelus. Also really cool imagery all around in his boss fights. That game definitely had an interesting art direction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/26/25 11:58:34 PM #464:	Yeah, I enjoy XIII's presentation. That probably compensates for a lot of its ills for me. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:984865489] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I enjoy XIII's presentation. That probably compensates for a lot of its ills for me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arti 04/27/25 12:12:37 AM #465:	UltimaterializerX posted... Theres more discussion about Vayne in this topic than in Final Fantasy 12. And yet he was one of the villains in the most recent Dissidia title --- http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif <cite>Arti posted [p:984865590] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite><quote>Theres more discussion about Vayne in this topic than in Final Fantasy 12. </quote>And yet he was one of the villains in the most recent Dissidia title</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 04/27/25 12:15:44 AM #466:	I look at XII is a bit of an experimental game, in terms of both storytelling and gameplay. It was a large departure for the series and they clearly wanted to try something new; perhaps feeling that purely turned based style RPGs were becoming relics of the past. Plus the previous 4 titles had such powerfully central lead characters of whom the story revolved around. I don't think XII quite worked out like they had hoped, but I still find it sometimes refreshing to come back to because of how different it is. Yeah Vayne didn't really get enough screentime and certainly doesn't fit the mold of almost every other villain in the series in terms of how you interact with him, but I've always appreciated and liked his style and appearance, and I still feel that when he did get time he made an impact with it. At least for me, I felt for the time the game came out he had some of the best lines. His motivations and villain arc fall into the category of things which I tend to almost always like. It's a lot more than can be said about Zemus or Necron, those comparisons are just flat-out bad. These guys just appear from almost nowhere and upend the story just for the sake of "now you'll fight something even more powerful!". Vayne's just not in that category with those guys at all. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:984865610] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I look at XII is a bit of an experimental game, in terms of both storytelling and gameplay. It was a large departure for the series and they clearly wanted to try something new; perhaps feeling that purely turned based style RPGs were becoming relics of the past. Plus the previous 4 titles had such powerfully central lead characters of whom the story revolved around. I don't think XII quite worked out like they had hoped, but I still find it sometimes refreshing to come back to because of how different it is. Yeah Vayne didn't really get enough screentime and certainly doesn't fit the mold of almost every other villain in the series in terms of how you interact with him, but I've always appreciated and liked his style and appearance, and I still feel that when he did get time he made an impact with it. At least for me, I felt for the time the game came out he had some of the best lines. His motivations and villain arc fall into the category of things which I tend to almost always like. It's a lot more than can be said about Zemus or Necron, those comparisons are just flat-out bad. These guys just appear from almost nowhere and upend the story just for the sake of "now you'll fight something even more powerful!". Vayne's just not in that category with those guys at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 04/27/25 7:49:59 AM #467:	In defence of Barthandelus, he may be a one-dimensional villain with lots of clunky dialogue, but he's great at chewing the scenery and giving the party a singular figure to unite against, so I think he serves his story purpose well enough. The cutscene where he trolls Snow into hugging him is legitimately a good one imo. Also he has that neat little owl! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CfTgMXuxM&t=65s --- Slowly becoming a Mega Man aficionado. <cite>andylt posted [p:984867799] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>In defence of Barthandelus, he may be a one-dimensional villain with lots of clunky dialogue, but he's great at chewing the scenery and giving the party a singular figure to unite against, so I think he serves his story purpose well enough. The cutscene where he trolls Snow into hugging him is legitimately a good one imo. Also he has that neat little owl!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CfTgMXuxM&t=65s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 04/27/25 9:02:39 AM #468:	Nah. Zemus is different than Necron. He's ~~mind controlling Golbez the whole game.~~ So you can definitely argue he's some sort of mastermind of plot events in the same sense Vayne is, although much like Vayne I feel like he comes across as more of a plot device than a character because of how far in the background he is. I would say if Zemus showed up in the first part of the game for a bit and had some dialogue he'd basically be identical to Vayne in terms of what he does and how he does it. Necron kinda just randomly appears so yeah him I wouldn't compare. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:984868150] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Nah. Zemus is different than Necron. He's mind controlling Golbez the whole game. So you can definitely argue he's some sort of mastermind of plot events in the same sense Vayne is, although much like Vayne I feel like he comes across as more of a plot device than a character because of how far in the background he is. I would say if Zemus showed up in the first part of the game for a bit and had some dialogue he'd basically be identical to Vayne in terms of what he does and how he does it. Necron kinda just randomly appears so yeah him I wouldn't compare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 04/27/25 11:11:21 AM #469:	Lopen posted... Nah. Zemus is different than Necron. He's ~~mind controlling Golbez the whole game.~~ So you can definitely argue he's some sort of mastermind of plot events in the same sense Vayne is, although much like Vayne I feel like he comes across as more of a plot device than a character because of how far in the background he is. I would say if Zemus showed up in the first part of the game for a bit and had some dialogue he'd basically be identical to Vayne in terms of what he does and how he does it. Necron kinda just randomly appears so yeah him I wouldn't compare. Just because Zemus is given that ridiculous "here the whole time" story doesn't make him better or different from Necron. He still just randomly shows up and lessens IV's plot when you think about it... we already had a guy getting mind-controlled, by a guy who was being mind-controlled. Very stupid stuff, I almost would just prefer the randomness of Necron. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:984869050] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted...</cite><quote>Nah. Zemus is different than Necron. He's mind controlling Golbez the whole game. So you can definitely argue he's some sort of mastermind of plot events in the same sense Vayne is, although much like Vayne I feel like he comes across as more of a plot device than a character because of how far in the background he is. I would say if Zemus showed up in the first part of the game for a bit and had some dialogue he'd basically be identical to Vayne in terms of what he does and how he does it. Necron kinda just randomly appears so yeah him I wouldn't compare. </quote>Just because Zemus is given that ridiculous "here the whole time" story doesn't make him better or different from Necron. He still just randomly shows up and lessens IV's plot when you think about it... we already had a guy getting mind-controlled, by a guy who was being mind-controlled. Very stupid stuff, I almost would just prefer the randomness of Necron.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 04/27/25 11:25:00 AM #470:	Golbez was a really flat villain, and it made sense that someone else was behind him because his motivations were ill defined. Kuja was a proper villain, so its far more offensive for him to be upstaged at the last second by an actual nothing boss (Necron does not deserve to be called a character). --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:984869190] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Golbez was a really flat villain, and it made sense that someone else was behind him because his motivations were ill defined. Kuja was a proper villain, so its far more offensive for him to be upstaged at the last second by an actual nothing boss (Necron does not deserve to be called a character).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 11:26:03 AM #471:	I don't really think Necron upstages Kuja ~~giving him a deathbed repentance undermines him though~~ --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984869197] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I don't really think Necron upstages Kuja giving him a deathbed repentance undermines him though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 04/27/25 11:27:51 AM #472:	I mean he upstages him from a gameplay perspective, being the final boss. And he is a proper fight, if nothing else. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:984869216] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I mean he upstages him from a gameplay perspective, being the final boss. And he is a proper fight, if nothing else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/27/25 11:56:57 AM #473:	Necron is a good final boss. I think people miss the point of it as it ties together the themes and story. It's definitely not just a simple stake-raising fight. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984869457] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Necron is a good final boss. I think people miss the point of it as it ties together the themes and story. It's definitely not just a simple stake-raising fight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 12:00:06 PM #474:	pjbasis posted... Necron is a good final boss. I think people miss the point of it as it ties together the themes and story. It's definitely not just a simple stake-raising fight. Correct, he drives home what the back of the case advertised: The Crystal Comes Back ~~at the end of the game~~ --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984869485] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>pjbasis posted... </cite><quote>Necron is a good final boss. I think people miss the point of it as it ties together the themes and story. It's definitely not just a simple stake-raising fight.</quote>Correct, he drives home what the back of the case advertised: The Crystal Comes Back at the end of the game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 04/27/25 12:12:26 PM #475:	trading for zidane hour 1, auto --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:984869593] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>trading for zidane hour 1, auto</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 04/27/25 12:20:45 PM #476:	Espeon posted... trading for zidane hour 1, auto For Aerith --- "To be underestimated is an incredible gift." - Jack Rackham, Black Sails <cite>Pokewars posted [p:984869673] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Espeon posted... </cite><quote>trading for zidane hour 1, auto</quote>For Aerith </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 04/27/25 12:28:10 PM #477:	Pokewars posted... For Aerith kk --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever http://i.imgur.com/SSw6M9E.gif <cite>Espeon posted [p:984869740] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Pokewars posted... </cite><quote>For Aerith</quote>kk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 04/27/25 12:29:30 PM #478:	FFDragon posted... Congrats to Aerith on her finals loss now --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:984869757] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite><quote>Congrats to Aerith on her finals loss now</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 04/27/25 12:55:31 PM #479:	2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd could be pretty fun --- That girl is poison... Never trust a big butt and smile :> <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:984869967] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd could be pretty fun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/27/25 12:57:59 PM #480:	If Sephiroth gets 1st I'm in --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984869984] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>If Sephiroth gets 1st I'm in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/27/25 1:35:48 PM #481:	Final Fantasy in general is awful about making the final bosses characters that were present in the story without some sort of mind control or pretending to be someone else. The only ones that are in the story a bunch are Exdeath, Kefka, Ardyn, and [XVI Spoilers]. Everyone else either gets upstaged by someone at the end or was only around because they were controlling people from the shadows. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984870311] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy in general is awful about making the final bosses characters that were present in the story without some sort of mind control or pretending to be someone else. The only ones that are in the story a bunch are Exdeath, Kefka, Ardyn, and [XVI Spoilers]. Everyone else either gets upstaged by someone at the end or was only around because they were controlling people from the shadows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 04/27/25 1:42:38 PM #482:	Uhhh, Sephiroth? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:984870389] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Uhhh, Sephiroth?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 04/27/25 1:42:46 PM #483:	Hey does this make Twilight Princess a final fantasy game? sorry dumb questions only --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:984870393] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Hey does this make Twilight Princess a final fantasy game?sorry dumb questions only</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/27/25 1:44:29 PM #484:	Every time you saw Sephiroth outside of the Kalm flashback and the Northern Crater, it was actually Jenova. It's why he always turns into Jenova for his boss fights. It's not actually him. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984870414] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Every time you saw Sephiroth outside of the Kalm flashback and the Northern Crater, it was actually Jenova. It's why he always turns into Jenova for his boss fights. It's not actually him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 1:45:29 PM #485:	Mewtwo59 posted... Every time you saw Sephiroth outside of the Kalm flashback and the Northern Crater, it was actually Jenova. It's why he always turns into Jenova for his boss fights. It's not actually him. It's not physically him but he's controlling her and operating through her, so it's essentially him --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984870429] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Every time you saw Sephiroth outside of the Kalm flashback and the Northern Crater, it was actually Jenova. It's why he always turns into Jenova for his boss fights. It's not actually him.</quote>It's not physically him but he's controlling her and operating through her, so it's essentially him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/27/25 1:46:19 PM #486:	Sephiroth is controlling them though. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984870441] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Sephiroth is controlling them though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/27/25 1:49:41 PM #487:	Yeah, but if we count that, then we count Zemus and Ultimecia too. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984870468] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, but if we count that, then we count Zemus and Ultimecia too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 1:50:32 PM #488:	Mewtwo59 posted... Yeah, but if we count that, then we count Zemus and Ultimecia too. Ultimecia definitely counts. Zemus is a different case because you don't even learn he exists until the end of the game. At least you learn about Ultimecia halfway through (really, more like 60-65% but still). --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984870482] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, but if we count that, then we count Zemus and Ultimecia too.</quote>Ultimecia definitely counts.Zemus is a different case because you don't even learn he exists until the end of the game. At least you learn about Ultimecia halfway through (really, more like 60-65% but still).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/27/25 1:52:56 PM #489:	Do we actually learn about Ultimecia before the end of disc 3? I can't remember exactly when they bring her up for the first time, but I feel like it's relatively about the same spot they bring up Zemus in IV. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984870503] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Do we actually learn about Ultimecia before the end of disc 3? I can't remember exactly when they bring her up for the first time, but I feel like it's relatively about the same spot they bring up Zemus in IV.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 1:55:43 PM #490:	You learn about her at the very beginning of Disc 3. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984870531] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>You learn about her at the very beginning of Disc 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/27/25 1:56:09 PM #491:	Zemus was also not controlling them directly, I think. --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png <cite>pjbasis posted [p:984870538] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Zemus was also not controlling them directly, I think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xuxon 04/27/25 1:56:42 PM #492:	If it looks like a Sephiroth, acts like a Sephiroth, and is being controlled by Sephiroth, that's good enough for me Also Necron upstages Kuja in battle theme --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif <cite>Xuxon posted [p:984870541] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>If it looks like a Sephiroth, acts like a Sephiroth, and is being controlled by Sephiroth, that's good enough for meAlso Necron upstages Kuja in battle theme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 04/27/25 1:57:31 PM #493:	Xuxon posted... Also Necron upstages Kuja in battle theme Maybe the hottest take in the topic Darkness of Eternity is an all-timer --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:984870549] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Xuxon posted... </cite><quote>Also Necron upstages Kuja in battle theme</quote>Maybe the hottest take in the topicDarkness of Eternity is an all-timer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 04/27/25 2:25:31 PM #494:	I've literally never seen that opinion before. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:984870781] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I've literally never seen that opinion before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 04/27/25 2:27:20 PM #495:	Honestly I do like the ideas of mysterious bad guys though, leads to fun discourse about their motives and causes you to think more --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:984870795] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I do like the ideas of mysterious bad guys though, leads to fun discourse about their motives and causes you to think more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/27/25 2:28:36 PM #496:	LiquidOshawott posted... Honestly I do like the ideas of mysterious bad guys though, leads to fun discourse about their motives and causes you to think more This is fine to an extent, but there needs to be enough info in the game for you to actually be able to come up with plausible explanations rather than just head canon Like you can figure out why Ultimecia is doing what she's doing even though she never tells you directly --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:984870806] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>LiquidOshawott posted... </cite><quote>Honestly I do like the ideas of mysterious bad guys though, leads to fun discourse about their motives and causes you to think more</quote>This is fine to an extent, but there needs to be enough info in the game for you to actually be able to come up with plausible explanations rather than just head canonLike you can figure out why Ultimecia is doing what she's doing even though she never tells you directly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/27/25 2:33:21 PM #497:	Ultimecia is a bad example when her motivations are so vague that it leads to that theory you hate gaining traction. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:984870873] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Ultimecia is a bad example when her motivations are so vague that it leads to that theory you hate gaining traction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 04/27/25 2:34:30 PM #498:	I have long maintained that FF8's plot would work better if Ultimecia and Adel had been merged into one character --- Slowly becoming a Mega Man aficionado. <cite>andylt posted [p:984870884] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>I have long maintained that FF8's plot would work better if Ultimecia and Adel had been merged into one character</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 04/27/25 2:35:14 PM #499:	Mewtwo59 posted... Ultimecia is a bad example when her motivations are so vague that it leads to that theory you hate gaining traction. Nah, her motivations are pretty clear if you pay attention to the stuff the game tells you. FFVIII's problem is that it hides a lot of info in optional scenes and hopes the player will care enough to look for it. The bad theory comes from people completely misunderstanding the notion that sorceresses can't die without passing on their powers even though the game shows you in the ending what that means ~~when Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea against her will before she dies~~ --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:984870892] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite><quote>Ultimecia is a bad example when her motivations are so vague that it leads to that theory you hate gaining traction.</quote>Nah, her motivations are pretty clear if you pay attention to the stuff the game tells you. FFVIII's problem is that it hides a lot of info in optional scenes and hopes the player will care enough to look for it.The bad theory comes from people completely misunderstanding the notion that sorceresses can't die without passing on their powerseven though the game shows you in the ending what that means when Ultimecia passes her powers onto Edea against her will before she dies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 04/27/25 2:36:16 PM #500:	Save good characters --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:984870900] in Save My Fa... [t:80972201]...</cite> <quote>Save good characters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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