Current Events > Not sure u guys realize how bad Israel is for Dems

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WingsOfGood posted...

But Trump's did not?

Seems all that needs to happen is vote Biden and stop being overly critical of him on Israel while giving Trump the biggest pass imaginable

Overly Critical on him supporting a genocide? Tell me how can you be overly critical of a someone who is supporting a genocide ?

WingsOfGood posted...

It means you cannot even call Palestine a state if he is elected and he will give Israel 100% go ahead to just wipe it all out, but after he ships off American citizens of Palestinian descent there.

Biden people have fought in the UN to stop their statehood, and even claimed if they do became start there would be worldwide starvation .

LightningThief posted...

Because the loudest protestors swearing up and down Biden should lose seem to coincidentally always seem to give Trump who's far worse a pass.

Ding ding ding

And bring up Trump plan and what do you hear? "Oh he can never pull that off!"

cjsdowg posted...

Overly Critical on him supporting a genocide? Tell me how can you be overly critical of a someone who is supporting a genocide ?

1. You ignore he is going to bring over refugees
2. You don't talk about this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

Yes it is being overly critical. Biden does anything "ahhh Genocide Joe!!"

Trump literally wants to glass the region labeling it the largest terrorist haven
- crickets
Chirp chirp

WingsOfGood posted...

1. You ignore he is going to bring over refugees
2. You don't talk about this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YHr_4ed1TuA

Yes it is being overly critical. Biden does anything "ahhh Genocide Joe!!"

Trump literally wants to glass the region labeling it the largest terrorist haven
- crickets
Chirp chirp

He has lied about. Seeing dead baby and defending real babies being killed. He has by passed congress to help kill those babies. He cut off aid funding because Israel told him to. His administration is doing playing strikes on American reporters, aid workers, childern, and hospitals. Everything that you said Trump wants to do over there Biden is literally funding.

You can say Trump would be worse over here which he would be. But that's it. Beyond that. Everything that Biden does wrong cant be met with But Trump. Trump is a horrible bastard that will make the world worst place. But that does not given Biden a free pass not to called out. Tell me 4 years ago did you think you would be going in so hard to defend someone funding a genocide?

I'm seeing a ton of people i've tagged as Dumpy Trumpy fans for years pretend to care about Palestine.

On the other hand, we're yet to see a single argument why what Biden's doing is okay that doesn't resort to comparing him to someone who is nearly universally acknowledged as an utter piece of shit.

Trumble posted...

On the other hand, we're yet to see a single argument why what Biden's doing is okay that doesn't resort to comparing him to someone who is nearly universally acknowledged as an utter piece of shit.

We're yet to see you acknowledge what anyone else is saying in this topic.

You're just shouting at the internet, bud.

ooger posted...

We're yet to see you acknowledge what anyone else is saying in this topic.

You're just shouting at the internet, bud.

he's not ever going to post an argument that isnt a strawman

Single-issue voters are some of the dumbest people I can imagine.

ooger posted...

We're yet to see you acknowledge what anyone else is saying in this topic.

You're just shouting at the internet, bud.

No. I've acknowledged multiple times that all you're saying is "but Trump!"

israel definitely wont be one of the deciding issues of this election. americans generally just dont care about international issues nearly to the degree they care about domestic issues

SaikyoStyle posted...

Single-issue voters are some of the dumbest people I can imagine.

this is also true in a world like the one that exists in our national elections. we have one of the most progressive presidents in modern history running against the most regressive and worst president since the civil war. biden is leagues better than trump on every single issue that exists

Trumble posted...

On the other hand, we're yet to see a single argument why what Biden's doing is okay that doesn't resort to comparing him to someone who is nearly universally acknowledged as an utter piece of shit.

Because there's no argument to be had here that's being practical.

I don't think anyone here who is saying how Biden is handling Israel is a superb job worth praise. The problem here that protestors and pretend Palestinian supporters are ignoring is the reality of the situation.

Saying and promoting others to not vote for Democrats or Biden is not helping Palestinians. It's hurting them. Don't claim you care about Palestinians, and in the same breath promote people to stay home 2024. As the alternative (Trump) literally has openly stated they want to harm Palestinians far worse. The mental gymnastics that it's the same thing both sides is exactly that, a gymnastics. It's not the same thing both sides, and that also applies to those running around claiming "regardless who wins will result in the same thing for Palestinians." A 3rd party candidate is not winning 2024, and staying home isn't helping them either.

You don't like hearing Trump is worse, but regardless if you don't like it, that is the factual reality of the situation. Trump or Biden will win 2024. Trump has openly stated his agenda for US Palestinians and Muslims along with foreign Palestinians and Muslims over in Palestine. So if your logic is to throw your hands up in the air because both candidates aren't ticking every box, despite one candidate being worse.... spare everyone the faux concern.

To clarify, I say "you" and "your" to speak in general. I haven't read all of your posts in this topic. These people don't want to hear Trump is worse, but that's the reality of the situation. Trump is far far worse for not only the people you claim to care about (Palestinians), but Americans as well such as maintaining a democracy, maintaining a country that doesnt shove Christianity into every home and school, LGBT rights, woman rights, minority rights and etc. Either Trump or Biden will win regardless if Biden isn't doing a fantastic job with this specific issue of Israel, that btw Trump would be doing worse in this specific issue.

Trumble posted...

No. I've acknowledged multiple times that all you're saying is "but Trump!"

As though that's not a compelling argument?

Cemith posted...

As though that's not a compelling argument?

It sure doesn't seem to be compelling to the voters that Biden is losing.

Which is what will actually determine who wins. Not what you or I or anyone else post on here.

Trumble posted...

It sure doesn't seem to be compelling to the voters that Biden is losing.

Which is what will actually determine who wins. Not what you or I or anyone else post on here.

The voters he's losing are not exactly rational minded people based on their answer to the people they so claim to care about.

The fact that Democrats are so naive that they think voting can or will defeat fascism would be hilarious if it weren't terrifying.

LightningThief posted...

The voters he's losing are not exactly rational minded people based on their answer to the people they so claim to care about.

And how many have changed their mind on the basis of you or others like you accusing them of that?

Surely it must be a lot if you're still employing this strategy, but just for the record could you give us an estimated figure?

As a Jewish Democrat, I will be voting for Biden a second time. Republicans are only using our unfortunate situation for personal gain

LightningThief posted...

The voters he's losing are not exactly rational minded people based on their answer to the people they so claim to care about.

Yeah if we, as a nation, still get Trump even after all that happened, we're cooked. Republicans won.

VGAddict90 posted...

The fact that Democrats are so naive that they think voting can or will defeat fascism would be hilarious if it weren't terrifying.

Why do you think Republicans keep passing laws that make it harder to vote?

Trumble posted...

And how many have changed their mind on the basis of you or others like you accusing them of that?

Surely it must be a lot if you're still employing this strategy, but just for the record could you give us an estimated figure?

Ive been pointing out this technique will get more and more dangerous very quickly for a few years now, it is starting to hit now and will only get worse.

there is no war in

cjsdowg posted...

He has lied about. Seeing dead baby and defending real babies being killed. He has by passed congress to help kill those babies. He cut off aid funding because Israel told him to. His administration is doing playing strikes on American reporters, aid workers, childern, and hospitals. Everything that you said Trump wants to do over there Biden is literally funding.

You can say Trump would be worse over here which he would be. But that's it. Beyond that. Everything that Biden does wrong cant be met with But Trump. Trump is a horrible bastard that will make the world worst place. But that does not given Biden a free pass not to called out. Tell me 4 years ago did you think you would be going in so hard to defend someone funding a genocide?

Once again you ignore Biden on refugees. Just like I said.

Now you claim Biden is funding everything Trump would do.
That is a lie.
Why did you lie?
Why would you lie to try and make Biden look as bad as Trump?

It's ALWAYS the same 3 or 4 people in every thread bashing Biden and trying to suppress voting that will only lead to Trump being elected.

The "Sit back and watch the world burn" people are just not very good people. Why people engage with these 'wonderful' individuals with the same arguments is utterly beyond me. No amount of facts or knowledge of how Trump will turn the US into a fascist hellhole matters to them because that is what they want regardless of how many times they argue it isn't.

If you know your actions/words will lead to one singular outcome and you still parrot those actions/words thread after thread...then that is what you want. PERIOD.

Sandalorn posted...

If you know your actions/words will lead to one singular outcome

Would it be fair to apply this logic to Biden letting Israel lead him around by the tail? A lot of people are putting a lot of scrutiny on the rhetoric of critics and protestors but the president's actions have basically infinitely more influence over who will vote for him in November. Harangue him!

Thought police itt harassing anyone saying anything other than "I support Biden 100%" smh

Like, I live in the former Socialist part of Germany and am finding some of the posts itt chilling

teep_ posted...

Thought police itt harassing anyone saying anything other than "I support Biden 100%" smh

Like, I live in the former Socialist part of Germany and am finding some of the posts itt chilling

Literally no one is saying "I support Biden 100%"

Take your bullshit and shut the fuck up.

Bunch of accelerationists and secret Republicans pretending to give a single shit about Palestinians

hockeybabe89 posted...

secret Republicans

Bold accusation to make to a Muslim and known left-wing poster

The term "harassing" might be misused on gamefaqs more than "literally".

BTW - It's also a dead give away about your reasons for posting.

Trumble posted...

On the other hand, we're yet to see a single argument why what Biden's doing is okay that doesn't resort to comparing him to someone who is nearly universally acknowledged as an utter piece of shit.

The election is only between these two! Everyone has to accept reality. If someone can't stomach bad things happening, then I guess they are going to collapse into a singularity when they realize not voting is not going to manifest a third good option into existence. They are just going to sit back and watch the worse option win and everything they claim to care about get fucked even harder and then infect everything else.

It's like watching the building you are in burn and letting it collapse because you worry that mitigating the damage might make it look like you're trying to minimize the crimes of the arsonists.

Sandalorn posted...

The term "harassing" might be misused on gamefaqs more than "literally".

BTW - It's also a dead give away about your reasons for posting.

Well, apologies for using the wrong word when writing in my third language

Alteres posted...

Ive been pointing out this technique will get more and more dangerous very quickly for a few years now, it is starting to hit now and will only get worse.

there is no war in

There is a war. Israel is genociding Palestinians because Netanyahu and his government hate Palestinians and have unfortunately taken cues from Hitler. It is fucking bullshit that the US allies with rotten shithole countries like Israel.

Now that we have that out of the way, Biden and Trump are the only two possibilities and Trump is objectively worse for Palestinians AND the people in actual America where American voters reside. It is obvious that voting for Biden is the only choice that makes sense. That doesn't make anything that Biden does good. He is merely a warm body that is less bad than the fascist GOP, and that is all that matters. One of them is winning no matter what, so we have a duty to ourselves, not the Democrats, to vote against Trump. Anyone who disagrees doesn't actually care about people, because people who care about other don't throw up their hands and say "let it burn" because there are no "happily ever after" choices. Someone who actually cares about others would try to minimize damage, not do nothing and wish really hard that there was world peace while everything burns faster.

The topic: "biden's handling of israel is costing him votes"

The responses: "TRUMP IS WORSE! VOTERS DON'T MATTER!! YOU'RE ALL SECRETLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN DISGUISE!!!"

We're hurtling towards a 2016-esque result. It's playing out mostly the same, it's almost like no lessons were learned.

1337toothbrush posted...

The topic: "biden's handling of israel is costing him votes"

The responses: "TRUMP IS WORSE! VOTERS DON'T MATTER!! YOU'RE ALL SECRETLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN DISGUISE!!!"

We're hurtling towards a 2016-esque result. It's playing out mostly the same, it's almost like no lessons were learned.

And when Trump gets elected we all know you will be in here with the "I told you so" comments without a hint of self-reflection. Basically the only thing you really care about, because you certainly don't give a shit about America.

1337toothbrush posted...

The topic: "biden's handling of israel is costing him votes"

The responses: "TRUMP IS WORSE! VOTERS DON'T MATTER!! YOU'RE ALL SECRETLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN DISGUISE!!!"

We're hurtling towards a 2016-esque result. It's playing out mostly the same, it's almost like no lessons were learned.

Hmm votes imply discussion of an election. The next election is the 2024 Presidential election. There are only two parties with a chance to win that election. Joseph Biden represents the Democrats. Donald Trump represents the Republicans. Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win. Trump is objectively worse for the country and his cultist party has proved their threat over and over since 2016.

"Hmm why people say Trump name?"

Clearly no lessons have been learned if everyone isn't voting against the GOP out of pure fear. 8 years of a party doing all they can to doom us all and people are still like "I dunno. That's bad, but what is the other party doing besides not that? I need positives."

Sandalorn posted...

And when Trump gets elected we all know you will be in here with the "I told you so" comments without a hint of self-reflection. Basically the only thing you really care about, because you certainly don't give a shit about America.

I want biden to win, which is why I'm warning that he's making the same kind of mistakes as hillary who miserably lost in 2016 and gave us trump in the first place.

WingsOfGood posted...

Once again you ignore Biden on refugees. Just like I said.

Now you claim Biden is funding everything Trump would do.
That is a lie.
Why did you lie?
Why would you lie to try and make Biden look as bad as Trump?

Biden literally bypassed congress to given money to Israel we are given them Billions. And Biden is making himself look as bad as Trump. On this issue. Why are you guys just admit what is going on and stop gaslighting ppl. Kirby just said the attack on civilian tent camp didn't cross any lines for Biden. But I am trying to make him look bad?

LightningThief posted...

When talking about irrational

Well said.

1337toothbrush posted...

The topic: "biden's handling of israel is costing him votes"

The responses: "TRUMP IS WORSE! VOTERS DON'T MATTER!! YOU'RE ALL SECRETLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN DISGUISE!!!"

We're hurtling towards a 2016-esque result. It's playing out mostly the same, it's almost like no lessons were learned.

I made a post asking if Biden bears and responsibility for people being turned away and got the same treatment and attacked. Which is seemingly something okay if you have the wrong view.

Trumble posted...

And how many have changed their mind on the basis of you or others like you accusing them of that?

Surely it must be a lot if you're still employing this strategy, but just for the record could you give us an estimated figure?

Oh you seem to misunderstand where I'm coming from.

I have lil interest in convincing someone who is irrational, to change their mind because their logic is irrational.

I'd have similar results convincing a flat earther the earth isn't flat.

I am although interested in pointing out many of these loud so called "Palestinian supporters" who are advocating for people not to vote or go 3rd, don't actually care about Palestinians. That or just plain irrational people.

Like I said, the people running around claiming they care about Palestinians, but advocating for actions that would unwillingly elect Trump, a worse candidate who is openly stating what he plans for Palestinians.... are not rational people to begin with. Nothing I or anyone here says to them is going to change that. These people don't even grasp the very fact of how US elections work let alone what's on the line this election.

So to your question why people are pointing out Trump is worse. Trump or Biden is going to win, like it or not. The so called Palestinian supporters, or at least the loud ones advocating to vote 3rd party or dont vote.... is why it's pointed out. The so called Palestinians supporters aren't bringing any rational contribution to the conversation because the loud ones are contradicting themselves that they care about Palestinians.

1337toothbrush posted...

The topic: "biden's handling of israel is costing him votes"

The responses: "TRUMP IS WORSE! VOTERS DON'T MATTER!! YOU'RE ALL SECRETLY TRUMP SUPPORTERS IN DISGUISE!!!"

We're hurtling towards a 2016-esque result. It's playing out mostly the same, it's almost like no lessons were learned.

I got modded for sealioning like you are now. Lets see if your post gets to stay up.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/95c21fe2.jpg

Tyranthraxus posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/95c21fe2.jpg

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if they do want to see Gaza leveled and fat fuck to open a hotel over it just so they can bitch and blame Biden.

Yazarogi posted...

I got modded for sealioning like you are now. Lets see if your post gets to stay up.

Summarizing the topic isn't sealioning. I've read through the topic and saw the same arguments running in a circle and summed it up in my post. Yes, trump is worse. We all know this. That doesn't mean the general public will bother voting for biden because of this. Having biden change his ways would go much farther than wagging your finger at message board users who pay more attention at politics than the general public.

Nonvoters are helping Trump.

So actions that create more nonvoters and focusing on antagonizing nonvoters instead of doing politics to sway nonvoters is helping Trump.

So Biden and people focused on antagonizing nonvoters that typical support Dems and voted for Biden last election are massively supporting Trump.

Sandalorn posted...

LOL...Sure.

Meanwhile you're happy with biden following in hillary's losing footsteps because you want him to win? Gaslighting yourself into thinking anyone who even lightly criticizes biden is a secret trump supporter isn't healthy.