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Dakimakura
05/15/24 7:20:13 PM
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Why hasn't Biden done more to overturn the hornyposting ban?

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Panthera
05/15/24 7:23:43 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
He very actively supported the dont vote for Biden mentality

He's also vocally hated Trump since before 2016 made hating Trump common

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/15/24 7:24:25 PM
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"We got money for wars, but can't feed the poor."

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Doe
05/15/24 7:30:05 PM
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I don't care if some Americans and some Democrats want to give Israel more bombs because they're wrong. I'm going to vote for Joe Biden in November but that doesn't mean I'm willing to pretend Israel does not carry active genocidal intentions and that the US government does not aid and abet those intentions to become action.

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Zikten
05/15/24 7:30:54 PM
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If Biden loses, I expect him to not even self reflect. Assuming we still have a free press in Trump 2.0 era, Biden will spend the rest of his life doubling down on his decision
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/15/24 7:33:16 PM
#56:


Zikten posted...
If Biden loses, I expect him to not even self reflect. Assuming we still have a free press in Trump 2.0 era, Biden will spend the rest of his life doubling down on his decision

It's what Democrats always do, assuming people will vote for them anyway to avoid the worse outcome.

It's a strategy that may work well against Trump, but the minute the GOP puts out a candidate even mildly more palatable than him, It's going to produce diminishing returns.

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emblem-man
05/15/24 7:33:19 PM
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In the Democratic base, I'd agree. Of swing voters in swing states though?

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Sayoria
05/15/24 7:33:46 PM
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Tone deaf as Hell.

He just knows in theory, he could be Trump on all fronts and as long as he has one stance that is more favorable, it doesn't matter. It's absolute shit VS shit with a little glitter on top.

Funny to think this 'freedom' we have is really the freedom of anything at all when our voices mean nothing.

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Zikten
05/15/24 7:34:56 PM
#59:


Sayoria posted...
Tone deaf as Hell.

He just knows in theory, he could be Trump on all fronts and as long as he has one stance that is more favorable, it doesn't matter. It's absolute shit VS shit with a little glitter on top.

Funny to think this 'freedom' we have is really the freedom of anything at all when our voices mean nothing.
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emblem-man
05/15/24 7:36:21 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's a strategy that may work well against Trump, but the minute the GOP puts out a candidate even mildly more palatable than him, It's going to produce diminishing returns.

So you're saying if Republicans had someone that wasn't trump, and was more of a standard right leaning Republican, they would win? Doesn't that show that most voters want a Republican right leaning style president?

Or is the idea that a low leftist turnout is what would keep Biden from winning?

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Solid_Snake07
05/15/24 7:38:36 PM
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Hate to crush your hopes, but no president is going to stop selling weapons to the only free democracy in the Middle East

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Doe
05/15/24 7:38:49 PM
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emblem-man posted...
So you're saying if Republicans had someone that wasn't trump, and was there for a standard right leaning Republican, they would win? Doesn't that show that most voters want a Republican right leaning style president?
Whether or not it's correct, that post is actually explicitly positing that the image of the president is more important than broad policy leaning.

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emblem-man
05/15/24 7:40:03 PM
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Doe posted...
Whether or not it's correct, that post is actually explicitly positing that the image of the president is more important than broad policy leaning.

That I actually do agree with, and it's the reason I detest our politics. Everyone has agreed that policies don't matter and it's all vibes.

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David1988
05/15/24 7:41:22 PM
#64:


Doe posted...
I don't care if some Americans and some Democrats want to give Israel more bombs because they're wrong. I'm going to vote for Joe Biden in November but that doesn't mean I'm willing to pretend Israel does not carry active genocidal intentions and that the US government does not aid and abet those intentions to become action.

Aiding and abetting genocide or fascist overtakes of other countries has been the US government's modus operandi for centuries, practically every president is guilty of the same just to varying degrees. In the end our choice is something like choosing between Duterte or Mussolini

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Heineken14
05/15/24 7:43:18 PM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Hate to crush your hopes, but no president is going to stop selling weapons to the only free democracy in the Middle East

I don't know. If we just don't vote and let fascism win then Democrats will understand what they did wrong and change everything next time they win.

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CountCorvinus
05/15/24 7:43:21 PM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Hate to crush your hopes, but no president is going to stop selling weapons to the only free democracy in the Middle East

Israel isn't a democracy. It's an ethnocracy.

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/15/24 7:43:38 PM
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emblem-man posted...
Or is the idea that a low leftist turnout is what would keep Biden from winning?

This part.

At least from how I see, the big advantage Biden has is that people absolutely fucking hate Trump. He's a double-edged sword for the GOP; he energizes right-wing voters but he also does the same for left-leaning voters.

I think even the illusion of a more "moderate" GOP candidate and the illusion of a return to "normal" party politics will induce much more apathy from left-wing voters, who will no longer feel that sense of urgency like they do with Trump, who is far more extremist with his rhetoric than pretty much any other GOP politician in recent memory.

The Democrat Party is in dire need of new blood with new ways of thinking, even if Biden wins in November. Because the GOP is too radicalized at this point to just die out quietly.

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Zikten
05/15/24 7:45:03 PM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Hate to crush your hopes, but no president is going to stop selling weapons to the only free democracy in the Middle East
Except Israel isn't a free democracy. That's just the myth sold to the public
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CountCorvinus
05/15/24 7:47:29 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Tone deaf as Hell.

He just knows in theory, he could be Trump on all fronts and as long as he has one stance that is more favorable, it doesn't matter. It's absolute shit VS shit with a little glitter on top.

Funny to think this 'freedom' we have is really the freedom of anything at all when our voices mean nothing.

Or as Nina Turner brilliantly put it:

Its like saying to somebody, You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,"

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emblem-man
05/15/24 7:49:34 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
Or as Nina Turner put it:

Its like saying to somebody, You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,"
The difference is, Biden isn't half a bowl of shit. Hell, didn't Nina say that before 10/7? If someone saw Biden as half a bowl of shit prior to the war, then they were just ignorant of the policy goals of the Biden admin

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thronedfire2
05/15/24 7:49:37 PM
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CountCorvinus posted...
Or as Nina Turner brilliantly put it:

Its like saying to somebody, You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all youve got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing,"

and if you don't choose, the entire thing gets force-fed to you.

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emblem-man
05/15/24 7:53:36 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
who will no longer feel that sense of urgency like they do with Trump, who is far more extremist with his rhetoric than pretty much any other GOP politician in recent memory.
Sounds like they should become more of a reliable voting bloc that Dem leadership feels confident in appealing to.

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RchHomieQuanChi
05/15/24 7:58:33 PM
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emblem-man posted...
Sounds like they should become more of a reliable voting bloc that Dem leadership feels confident in appealing to.

It's kind of a chicken and the egg situation though, is it not? If you want them to become a reliable voting bloc, you have to address the issues that they care about, just like you would for any voting bloc.

Younger generations tend to feel much more strongly about social issues than economic issues, and the Dems messaging on that front is often very tone-deaf.

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05/15/24 8:02:30 PM
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runewalshPSiv
05/15/24 8:03:10 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
This man completely ignoring the whole country telling him to end this genocide in Gaza he's letting happen is insane. Why would you risk losing the election like this? He's THAT confident people will vote blue no matter who? Like Hillary assumed in 2016?

Most people dont care about what's going on halfway across the world when we have so many problems here at home.

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thronedfire2
05/15/24 8:05:29 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's kind of a chicken and the egg situation though, is it not? If you want them to become a reliable voting bloc, you have to address the issues that they care about, just like you would for any voting bloc.

Younger generations tend to feel much more strongly about social issues than economic issues, and the Dems messaging on that front is often very tone-deaf.

Gen Z actually voted at a higher % in 2020 and 2022 than the same age range ever has in the history of the country

it turns out that taking rights away from people is actually a really good way to get them to vote against you

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ssb_yunglink2
05/15/24 8:07:16 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
This man completely ignoring the whole country telling him to end this genocide in Gaza he's letting happen is insane. Why would you risk losing the election like this? He's THAT confident people will vote blue no matter who? Like Hillary assumed in 2016?
For a democrat, I agree that hes going against his interests in continuing to fund this, as younger democrats almost universally support Palestine.

But this country as a whole? Its absolutely not in favor in Palestine. Hell i know people personally who want Israel to level all of Palestine. Theres unfortunately a huge amount of people who support genocide here.

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Crazyman93
05/15/24 8:09:56 PM
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David1988 posted...
US government's modus operandi for centuries
The US Government isn't even 3 centuries old, during most of which it was a rather isolationist nation that didn't fight a war outside of its land reach until the 20th century.

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DarthAragorn
05/15/24 8:13:01 PM
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emblem-man posted...
The difference is, Biden isn't half a bowl of shit. Hell, didn't Nina say that before 10/7? If someone saw Biden as half a bowl of shit prior to the war, then they were just ignorant of the policy goals of the Biden admin
Half a bowl, two thirds a bowl, who the fuck cares.

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David1988
05/15/24 8:18:53 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
The US Government isn't even 3 centuries old, during most of which it was a rather isolationist nation that didn't fight a war outside of its land reach until the 20th century.

The US government was isolationist with respect to Europe and other parts of the world, but they have consistently meddled in the affairs of Latin America since the 1800s

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 8:19:18 PM
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Solid_Snake07 posted...
Hate to crush your hopes, but no president is going to stop selling weapons to the only free democracy in the Middle East

Israel is not a free democracy.

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Crazyman93
05/15/24 8:22:47 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Israel is not a free democracy.
Correct, it's a free Parliamentary Republic.

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cjsdowg
05/15/24 8:29:57 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
Correct, it's a free Parliamentary Republic.

A nothing that has apartheid within it borders a not free anything.

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mybbqrules
05/15/24 8:34:15 PM
#83:


LonelyStoner posted...
We really shouldnt be deciding between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, but here we are. I hope we get some new blood in politics next election.
Except it's not giant douche vs turd sandwich.

It's milquetoast democrat who has pushed far more left leaning policy than anyone expected him to vs the unholy child of giant douche and turd sandwich who is also a literal traitor to the country, tried to incite an insurrection when he lost, is under 91 indictments, has already been proven to be a rapist and fraud, and is gearing up for a 4 year revenge tour with heavy authoritarian overtones.

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StarFighters76
05/15/24 8:38:03 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Except it's not giant douche vs turd sandwich.

It's milquetoast democrat who has pushed far more left leaning policy than anyone expected him to vs the unholy child of giant douche and turd sandwich who is also a literal traitor to the country, tried to incite an insurrection when he lost, is under 91 indictments, has already been proven to be a rapist and fraud, and is gearing up for a 4 year revenge tour with heavy authoritarian overtones.

And that's what these "but Biden is doing a genocide" people want. Sure they can scream they aren't voting, or is voting third party. But what they fail to comprehend is, that by doing so, will cause way more harm to everyone. Which is why I really don't care about calling them out as supporting Trump when they go "but Biden". Whether as a simp, completely clueless, or just trolling. I'm done with being nice about that nonsense.


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05/15/24 8:42:24 PM
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StarFighters76 posted...
And that's what these "but Biden is doing a genocide" people want. Sure they can scream they aren't voting, or is voting third party. But what they fail to comprehend is, that by doing so, will cause way more harm to everyone. Which is why I really don't care about calling them out as supporting Trump when they go "but Biden". Whether as a simp, completely clueless, or just trolling. I'm done with being nice about that nonsense.
What the both-sides crew fails to understand (deliberately) is that when people refer to Trump and the worst of his Republicans as Nazis, this is not just a playground exercise in name-calling.

It's just a brute fact.

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Fenriswolf
05/15/24 9:19:24 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Except it's not giant douche vs turd sandwich.

It's milquetoast democrat who has pushed far more left leaning policy than anyone expected him to vs the unholy child of giant douche and turd sandwich who is also a literal traitor to the country, tried to incite an insurrection when he lost, is under 91 indictments, has already been proven to be a rapist and fraud, and is gearing up for a 4 year revenge tour with heavy authoritarian overtones.

How does that justify Biden barely changing much of Trump's foreign policy screw-ups, including ones he criticized Trump for? The US embassy in Israel is still in Jerusalem, the nuclear deal with Iran is still torn up, the trade war against China plus its tariffs are still around, and now Biden is trying to ban Tiktok despite criticising Trump for the smoe thing.

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Rika_Furude
05/15/24 9:20:35 PM
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Fenriswolf posted...
How does that justify Biden barely changing much of Trump's foreign policy screw-ups, including ones he criticized Trump for? The US embassy in Israel is still in Jerusalem, the nuclear deal with Iran is still torn up, the trade war against China plus its tariffs are still around, and now Biden is trying to ban Tiktok despite criticising Trump for the smoe thing.
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David1988
05/15/24 9:21:34 PM
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Fenriswolf posted...


How does that justify Biden barely changing much of Trump's foreign policy screw-ups, including ones he criticized Trump for? The US embassy in Israel is still in Jerusalem, the nuclear deal with Iran is still torn up, the trade war against China plus its tariffs are still around, and now Biden is trying to ban Tiktok despite criticising Trump for the smoe thing.


Just because Biden maintained a lot of policies from the Trump presidency doesnt mean theyre remotely similar

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Kaiser1one
05/15/24 9:22:43 PM
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Yet another day I don't understand why the U.S. suckles Israel's nuts outside "muh Bible".

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mybbqrules
05/15/24 9:44:20 PM
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Fenriswolf posted...
How does that justify Biden barely changing much of Trump's foreign policy screw-ups, including ones he criticized Trump for? The US embassy in Israel is still in Jerusalem, the nuclear deal with Iran is still torn up, the trade war against China plus its tariffs are still around, and now Biden is trying to ban Tiktok despite criticising Trump for the smoe thing.
Please explain how Trump will be better for Palestine and Americans than Biden. Go.

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CountCorvinus
05/15/24 10:53:44 PM
#93:


Fenriswolf posted...
How does that justify Biden barely changing much of Trump's foreign policy screw-ups, including ones he criticized Trump for? The US embassy in Israel is still in Jerusalem, the nuclear deal with Iran is still torn up, the trade war against China plus its tariffs are still around, and now Biden is trying to ban Tiktok despite criticising Trump for the smoe thing.


Not only are the tariffs still around, but he's added to them:

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1790414289691439245

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SaikyoStyle
05/16/24 9:44:44 AM
#94:


mybbqrules posted...
Please explain how Trump will be better for Palestine and Americans than Biden. Go.
*Terminally online leftist hissing*

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/16/24 10:18:34 AM
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To be fair, a billion dollars is like ten planes with a handful of missiles each.

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cjsdowg
05/16/24 4:04:40 PM
#96:


mybbqrules posted...
Please explain how Trump will be better for Palestine and Americans than Biden. Go.

Did the other post to make that claim ?

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SaikyoStyle
05/16/24 4:22:14 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Did the other post to make that claim ?
Its a valid question.

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Trumble
05/16/24 4:23:02 PM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
Its a valid question.
Not if no one is making the claim in the first place and you're only asking it in an attempt to downplay what Biden is doing.

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SaikyoStyle
05/16/24 4:23:18 PM
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Trumble posted...
Not if no one is making the claim in the first place and you're only asking it in an attempt to downplay what Biden is doing.
Are you afraid of it?

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05/16/24 4:30:15 PM
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SaikyoStyle posted...
Are you afraid of it?
No one is "afraid" of it. We're just not letting you deflect.

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