Current Events > Biden signed a 1 Billion arms deal to Israel.

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CountCorvinus posted...

Not only are the tariffs still around, but he's added to them:

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1790414289691439245

didn't Biden actually increase US production of all of those things though?

Trump never brought jobs back here

The funny thing is, those tariffs just come back on the buyers, because we still import because it's still cheaper for companies to outsource to China. So when they have to pay more, why not push that cost onto us?

Trumble posted...

No one is "afraid" of it. We're just not letting you deflect.

I think youre afraid of it.

tc has been trying to shit on biden long before the current israel/palestine conflict, he doesnt care about a potential trump election or gaza at all

cjsdowg posted...

A nothing that has apartheid within it borders a not free anything.

You can have a problem with the IDFs handling of Palestinians and Gaza/The West Bank but the Palestinians arent Israeli. The 20% Arab Israeli minority have the same rights as the as any other citizens in Israel. Which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for anywhere else in the region.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

You can have a problem with the IDFs handling of Palestinians and Gaza/The West Bank but the Palestinians arent Israeli. The 20% Arab Israeli minority have the same rights as the as any other citizens in Israel. Which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for anywhere else in the region.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-adopts-divisive-law-declares-only-jews-have-right-self-n892636

cjsdowg posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-adopts-divisive-law-declares-only-jews-have-right-self-n892636

Sounds like the Arab minority is utilizing their freedom of expression to call bullshit. Which once again, is a progressive concept far ahead of any other country in the vicinity.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Sounds like the Arab minority is utilizing their freedom of expression to call bullshit. Which once again, is a progressive concept far ahead of any other country in the vicinity.

Really, I give you a literal example of the thing that you said wasn't happening and you write it off.

cjsdowg posted...

Really, I give you a literal example of the thing that you said wasn't happening and you write it off.

you linked to a news article about some mostly symbolic legislation that means nothing as an example of Arab Israelis being discriminated against as proof that their living in an apartheid state.

So yeah, really. Israel is the most progressive country in the region by a fucking mile. You can criticize their handling of this war and the Palestinians all you want but thats a stone cold fact and you know it.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

you linked to a news article about some mostly symbolic legislation that means nothing as an example of Arab Israelis being discriminated against as proof that their living in an apartheid state.

So yeah, really. Israel is the most progressive country in the region by a fucking mile. You can criticize their handling of this war and the Palestinians all you want but thats a stone cold fact and you know it.

And? Apartheid South Africa was also more "progressive" than most of its neighbouring countries then, which were mostly dictatorships, but that means jack shit.

You sound like one of those who randomly bring up Israeli LGBT rights whenever their policies towards Palestinians are criticized.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

You can have a problem with the IDFs handling of Palestinians and Gaza/The West Bank but the Palestinians arent Israeli. The 20% Arab Israeli minority have the same rights as the as any other citizens in Israel. Which is a hell of a lot more than you can say for anywhere else in the region.

Irrelevant. If an Israeli and Palestinian commits the same crime together, which goes as low as sharing a joint, then the former would be punished by Israeli civil law but the latter would be punished by the harsher Israeli military law. That is a form of apartheid.

Sayoria posted...

The funny thing is, those tariffs just come back on the buyers, because we still import because it's still cheaper for companies to outsource to China. So when they have to pay more, why not push that cost onto us?

Or if they're total cheapskates, they'll outsource to Vietnam. WAAAY cheaper than outsourcing to China.

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WRONG. Trump would be criticizing Hitler and boasting about how he'd totally handle the eastern front better, and his chuds would agree.

Fenriswolf posted...

And? Apartheid South Africa was also more "progressive" than most of its neighbouring countries then, which were mostly dictatorships, but that means jack shit.

You sound like one of those who randomly bring up Israeli LGBT rights whenever their policies towards Palestinians are criticized.

Irrelevant. If an Israeli and Palestinian commits the same crime together, which goes as low as sharing a joint, then the former would be punished by Israeli civil law but the latter would be punished by the harsher Israeli military law. That is a form of apartheid.

No, its not irrelevant. Palestinians arent Israeli citizens, and they dont want to be for the most part. Once again, be critical of that conflict and how the Israeli government is handling it all you want. But its not a reflection on the civil liberties and rights of Israeli citizens.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

No, its not irrelevant. Palestinians arent Israeli citizens, and they dont want to be for the most part. Once again, be critical of that conflict and how the Israeli government is handling it all you want. But its not a reflection on the civil liberties and rights of Israeli citizens.

"sure, they're committing a genocide, but not against their own people!"

Criticism of Biden isnt an endorsement for Trumps garbage ass, you guys. Ill be voting for Biden this election but I dont care for either candidate. A shitty politician is a shitty politician. Im waiting on AOC to run.

Rather see it go to Ukraine

Solid_Snake07 posted...

No, its not irrelevant. Palestinians arent Israeli citizens, and they dont want to be for the most part. Once again, be critical of that conflict and how the Israeli government is handling it all you want. But its not a reflection on the civil liberties and rights of Israeli citizens.

And? If you're a white man living in the USA in the 60s you'd have plenty of political rights, whereas North Vietnam was an impoverished communist state. Claiming that "at least I can vote in the USA" is not a very good defence of the Vietnam War. Rinse and repeat with the Iraq War.

Fenriswolf posted...

And? If you're a white man living in the USA in the 60s you'd have plenty of political rights, whereas North Vietnam was an impoverished communist state. Claiming that "at least I can vote in the USA" is not a very good defence of the Vietnam War. Rinse and repeat with the Iraq War.

Where in this topic did I defend the war in Gaza? I said Israel is the most progressive democratic state in the Middle East and every mouth breather came out of the wood works to say nah uh because the world has to be completely black and white for them to process it I guess. So Israel is apparently the Sith with zero redeeming qualities.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

you linked to a news article about some mostly symbolic legislation that means nothing as an example of Arab Israelis being discriminated against as proof that their living in an apartheid state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/disturbing-video-shows-jewish-convert-fatally-shot-by-idf-in-west-bank-posed-no-threat/

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/21/1213892449/palestinians-israel-war-discrimination-censorship

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/israel-opt-latest-un-recognition-of-apartheid-comes-amid-soaring-attacks-on-palestinian-homes/, https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702, https://www.icj.org/un-icj-denounces-israels-system-of-apartheid-against-palestinians/

Stop.

smdh Joe

Very bad move, should be shamed

Kimberly posted...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/disturbing-video-shows-jewish-convert-fatally-shot-by-idf-in-west-bank-posed-no-threat/

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/02/the-many-civil-and-human-rights-challenges-facing-israels-palestinian-citizens?lang=en

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/21/1213892449/palestinians-israel-war-discrimination-censorship

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/10/israel-opt-latest-un-recognition-of-apartheid-comes-amid-soaring-attacks-on-palestinian-homes/, https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702, https://www.icj.org/un-icj-denounces-israels-system-of-apartheid-against-palestinians/

Stop.

Stop what? All I said is that theyre the most progressive country with the most civil liberties in the Middle East. I didnt say its a utopia free of racism(obviously not true anywhere btw) or that theyre doing an awesome job handling Gaza and the West Bank.

If any of you really wanted to refute that you would tell me what country it is you think theyre lagging behind in that regard and back it up. Which none of you will do because the divide is so vast theres no real argument to make. Its a stone cold fact that you all know is true. If voicing an almost universally agreed upon truth upsets you this much thats a you problem.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Stop what? All I said is that theyre the most progressive country with the most civil liberties in the Middle East. I didnt say its a utopia free of racism(obviously not true anywhere btw) or that theyre doing an awesome job handling Gaza and the West Bank.

If any of you really wanted to refute that you would tell me what country it is you think theyre lagging behind in that regard and back it up. Which none of you will do because the divide is so vast theres no real argument to make. Its a stone cold fact that you all know is true. If voicing an almost universally agreed upon truth upsets you this much thats a you problem.

You said that there wasn't apartheid

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Stop what? All I said is that theyre the most progressive country with the most civil liberties in the Middle East. I didnt say its a utopia free of racism(obviously not true anywhere btw) or that theyre doing an awesome job handling Gaza and the West Bank.

If any of you really wanted to refute that you would tell me what country it is you think theyre lagging behind in that regard and back it up. Which none of you will do because the divide is so vast theres no real argument to make. Its a stone cold fact that you all know is true. If voicing an almost universally agreed upon truth upsets you this much thats a you problem.

1978 Iran. Until America got ahold of it.

I'm sorry but I'm supporting Palestine. I'm personally against genocide. Also many Americans could use some help but we're spending money for another country for them shoot the people they want to take land from.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

Stop what? All I said is that theyre the most progressive country with the most civil liberties in the Middle East. I didnt say its a utopia free of racism(obviously not true anywhere btw) or that theyre doing an awesome job handling Gaza and the West Bank.

If any of you really wanted to refute that you would tell me what country it is you think theyre lagging behind in that regard and back it up. Which none of you will do because the divide is so vast theres no real argument to make. Its a stone cold fact that you all know is true. If voicing an almost universally agreed upon truth upsets you this much thats a you problem.

At this stage, saying that Israel has a democratic system is like saying the Big Mac has nutritional value. Technically true but completely irrelevant when the topic is about the treatment of Palestinians, who are increasingly being driven out of their own lands by Zionist settlers.

And like I said before, your logic can be suitably be applied to apartheid South Africa. If you're a white South African you'd have far more rights than most of SA's neighbours which were largely war-torn dictatorships.

Solid_Snake07 posted...

All I said is that theyre the most progressive country with the most civil liberties in the Middle East.

That is not what you said. You asked for evidence of discrimination or apartheid and blithely pretended it didn't exist when examples were provided to you. You retreated back to your defense of their actions as being "the most progressive nation in the area" after trying to deny the apartheid explicitly and the genocide implicitly after having ample evidence provided to you rather than engage with any of it or address how it might affect your original claims. You just keep doing the motte and bailey shit over and over again.

So again, stop. Stop acting like you care, stop acting like you know what's going on, stop acting like your opinions are in any way informed about what Palestinians or Arab Israelis have to go through while you push your insane points about apartheid and genocide.

Just stop. It's actually not hard at all to do.