Current Events > I wish folks realized how "From the river to the sea" feels to Jews

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Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel

A Jewish person hearing that chant, what they hear is not free Palestine, when they hear "from the river to the sea" what they hear is "kill all the Jews"

Oh no the Jewish fee fees

Being Jewish =/= being Israeli or supporting Israel

Calling for intifada for example just means a call for "struggle" and has little to do with violence (first intifada). But others hear it and think of the second intifada which consisted of large amounts of civilian violence and deaths.

I won't get involved in the debate and protests and all that, how you feel about Israel/Palestine, that is up to you. I don't want to start a whole thing (especially with the new board rules). So this is just about the chant.

I won't get involved in the debate and protests and all that

Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel

You do not have the privilege to fence sit the actual mass violence but still tone police the people who are calling for the violence to end.

This is repeatedly at the crux of criticisms of Palestinian advocacy: to forcibly equate liberation of Palestinians to killing of Jewish people, or else to make the mere feelings of Israelis or Jewish people as valuable as the actual lives of tens of thousands of Palestinians being murdered by the state of Israel.

In this case "From the river to the sea" appears multiple times in the Hamas charter,

Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel

• Evangelical Christians believe that without Israel's existence, the Rapture won't happen
• Israel is the only "Western" country in the Middle East
• Conservatives have a fascination with the concept of ethnostates
• Israel's strategic allyship with the US greatly contributes to the control the US has had over many parts of the Middle East
• Israel is the "whitest" country in the Middle East

Oh hey yet more Palestinian genocide denial from the Palestinian genocide denier.

I'm shocked!

Israel tends to use the phrase as well if I remember correctly. Israeli anti-Semitic claims about the word, in an attempt to silence people,hasn't made the whole situation any better

This is not tone policing. What? Mere feelings? Saying they should not chant things that make Jews feel unsafe in a currently very tumultuous world for both Jewish and Muslim people is not tone policing.

Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel

Any criticism of the mass killing of Palestinians is argued to make Jews feel unsafe. It's a disgusting and antisemitic form of argumentation.

Israel tends to use the phrase as well if I remember correctly. Israeli anti-Semitic claims about the word, in an attempt to silence people,hasn't made the whole situation any better

Yes, I know this. But I highly doubt even the most anti-Israel Jews, want to see Israel and its people exterminated?

Benjamin Netanyahu "in the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea,

https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2024-01-19/netanyahu-rejects-two-state-solution-says-israel-will-control-from-the-river-to-the-sea/

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It is always funny how some people with all the power , want to control HOW people protest, and no matter how they protest they still have an issue with it.

Any criticism of the mass killing of Palestinians is argued to make Jews feel unsafe. It's a disgusting and antisemitic form of argumentation.

Why do conservatives hate jews but love israel

Many anti-Israel Jewish people do not want Israel to exist and find it religiously offensive that the state associates itself with their religion. The state = / = its people and a state can be ended without exterminating the people inside it.

Many anti-Israel Jewish people do not want Israel to exist and find it religiously offensive that the state associates itself with their religion. The state = / = its people and a state can be ended without exterminating the people inside it.

Not denying anything. Not debating that. It doesn't matter how you feel about the israel/palestine issue, which is why Im trying not to engage in any discussion or debate about that.

Protest the genocide and apartheid, ask for a free palestine, that is fine.

but chanting this is going to turn people against your cause because Jewish people hear this and feel unsafe. This is something that the left would be very sensitive to in any other circumstance for a different minority in America.

And also I genuinely don't care how they feel about the chant, there's a genocide going on.

Getting strong "all lives matter" vibes here

So to some Israel being gone as a (Jewish majority) State, means to them no more Jewish people. While to some, it just means a liberal binational State.

UCLA had to cancel their classes because a violent group attacked pro Palestinian supporters. Why?

Considering how the chant and the ongoing genocide are inextricably linked, no you don't get to say, "that's off topic, we aren't talking about that :("

And also I genuinely don't care how they feel about the chant, there's a genocide going on.

Man, I find this a bit weird. Does using a chant or phrase help your cause more or less. If it doesn't help the cause of stopping a genocide, the answer is simple to not use it. It might not be logical for people to feel offended by it, but it is what it is. The genocide is more important than a phrases which is exactly why phrases and chants should be dropped and modified in the most effective way.
If changing a phrase makes your message more tolerable to some normie suburban mom who doesn't listen to news or have extensive nuanced knowledge of the Israel/Palestine issue, then do it. It's such low hanging fruit

You say the chant and the genocide, are linked, so it is relevant. If we are saying this chant makes Jewish people feel like you are calling for their genocide, because of the link with this phrase and a genocidal Hamas charter and statements from genocidal terrorists.... does Israel genociding Palestinians mean this is ok, especially in America, where the Jewish people here are not in Israel ? The reason it's not on topic is because having a heated debate about Israel's actions should not affect this chant, as Israel committing genocide still does not make it ok.

As somebody above said, what is the purpose of this specific chant, that even knowing it will make Jews feel like you're in return calling for THEIR genocide, you want to use it anyway?

Because the objective is NOT just to have a cease fire and then leave the Palestinians in the open-air concentration camp they're stuck in.

I remember people repeating the phrase "From the river to the sea" after the Hamas terrorist attacks and before Israel started bombing everything in Palestine.

It's pretty clear the phrase can have negative connotations. Don't know why some people are plugging their ears and ignoring the history of the phrase and how its changed over time.

This is probably another area where people speak past each other.

Some think the removal of Israel as a Jewish majority State defacto means that Jews in Israel would become a minority (not just religiously, but ethnically as well), which would then lead to the eventual decline of them through violent means. It's probably largely paranoia, but it seems to be what they think would happen.

So to some, Israel not being a Jewish majority State, means to them no more Jewish people. While to some, it just means a liberal binational State.

They live in fear that were this to come to pass, they'd be living in the conditions that they've inflicted upon the Palestinians within Israel.

https://twitter.com/hutchinson/status/1783996727185596774?t=iHqghwmkwZnzyNko2yuNHg&s=19

And the same goes for Israel with the continuation of their settlers and their horrid genocidal language.