Current Events > Fallout TV show pretty good except some plotholes (spoilers)

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I enjoyed the show. The acting was stellar. The production was good. Not much to complain about.

However there is a serious MASSIVE plothole.

In episode 1, Vault 33 open their Vault to exchange for a husband to Lucy from Vault 32.

Later we learn that Vault 32 has been dead for 2 years.

Then at the very end we learn that these vaults are managed by a brain in a robot that probably never sleeps and they can instantly clean up a raided vault in less than a day.
Furthermore Lucy father is part of a huge Vault-tec conspiracy.

These add up to these issues:

1. Her father would have known vault 32 was dead long ago because they died from finding out the truth about management. That it is left in this state for 2 years makes no sense.
2. Her father would have INSTANTLY known the people in Vault 32 at the exchange were not fellow company-men (though afterward he claimed to recognize Moldave) he is able to remember some weird password but not his fellow coworkers he is conspiring with?
3. Moldave 200 years ago was an anti-vaultec person yet she has apparently been in suspended animation. How?
4. Even if you could suspend disbelief on some of this, the idea that the brain didn't check up on Vault 32 and neither did Lucy dad in 2 years and Moldave just HAPPENED to know everyone there was dead and wait around for 33 to request an exchange is a BIG leap of belief suspension.

ok ill look out for those when i watch it later

I mean Fallout 3 and 4 have a shitload of plotholes

Bethesda actually hates the previous Fallout games and New Vegas because the writing in them is better.

Ratchetrockon posted...

ok ill look out for those when i watch it later

not the way to do it lol....

damn we posted in the same exact time omfg

WingsOfGood posted...

not the way to do it lol....

i have trouble following the plot of stuff through watching so i just read up a summary first

also why is Maximus basically just Finn from Star Wars?

like his whole characterization is basically to mimic Finn
I probably wouldn't get this vibe if not for the robot suit though but he is in a robot suit like a stormtrooper, just felt similar

Ghoul is cool but honestly pretty tropey

On its own it isn't terrible. However, if you're a fan of FO1, 2 and NV lore and are invested into the world building... you're going to fucking hate this.

It is an open secret that Bethesda hates NV and the og games. And it shows.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

On its own it isn't terrible. However, if you're a fan of FO1, 2 and NV lore and are invested into the world building... you're going to fucking hate this.

It is an open secret that Bethesda hates NV and the og games. And it shows.

oh?

I haven't played Fallout so maybe that why I liked it?

Ratchetrockon posted...

damn we posted in the same exact time omfg

i have trouble following the plot of stuff through watching so i just read up a summary first

you do you I guess

I literally spoiled the main plot and the twist of the show

1. The robobrain didnt tell him because it was afraid that the same thing would happen there?

2. Why would he not believe them? Aint all overseers from Vault 31, so he could have believed that the Vault 32 persons were recruits from Vault 32?

3. While not explained, it exist at least 3 possible solutions. Cryo sleep, mutation/part ghoul, android.

4. Moldave visited Vault 32, discovered what happened and used the traditional marriage to get inside 33. The robobrain was quiet about it because it was afraid that Vault 33 would do a 32, it didnt really trust Lucys father or it had started to go crazy/break down.

Foppe posted...

1. The robobrain didnt tell him because it was afraid that the same thing would happen there?

Huh? If the robobrain knew it would have cleaned it up like they cleaned it up in the episode. But it was left to rot for 2 whole years.

2. Why would he not believe them? Aint all overseers from Vault 31, so he could have believed that the Vault 32 persons were recruits from Vault 32?

He knew all the people who are from Vault 31. Everyone in Vault 31 was alive 200 years ago as a company man of Vault-tec.
Moldave was not one of them unless season 2 shows her go from literally saying Vault-Tec SUCKS to working for them. Not to mention there should be more than 1 person from Vault 31 in 32. He would have noticed he recognize no one. And if Vault 31 company man died you would assume brain replace them.

3. While not explained, it exist at least 3 possible solutions. Cryo sleep, mutation/part ghoul, android.

perhaps

4. Moldave visited Vault 32, discovered what happened and used the traditional marriage to get inside 33. The robobrain was quiet about it because it was afraid that Vault 33 would do a 32, it didnt really trust Lucys father or it had started to go crazy/break down.

Didn't trust Lucy father? That makes 0 sense. Pretty sure Robobrain is that government worker guy that pestered Ghoul 200 years ago. Not to mention everyone in Vault 31 is trustable and in on it.

We see with Lucy little bro that Robobrain instantly respond to the current overseer.

Also,

Why does the BoS make a big deal about Maximus being a knight when he still has a ways to go until he hits a rank of significance lol

Crimson_Corsair posted...

On its own it isn't terrible. However, if you're a fan of FO1, 2 and NV lore and are invested into the world building... you're going to fucking hate this.

It is an open secret that Bethesda hates NV and the og games. And it shows.

I think fans exaggerate that "hate " why would Bethesda invite the creators of the original games to the premiere of the TV series if their whole plan for the show was a middle finger to them? The bad blood seems to be a fandom theory.

WingsOfGood posted...

you do you I guess

I literally spoiled the main plot and the twist of the show

it's ok
i find it interesting

I4NRulez posted...

Also,

Why does the BoS make a big deal about Maximus being a knight when he still has a ways to go until he hits a rank of significance lol

I can believe the knights are just incompetent on every level

but that kinda makes a plot hole on how they acquire all that fancy tech and kept it up

WingsOfGood posted...

1. Her father would have known vault 32 was dead long ago because they died from finding out the truth about management. That it is left in this state for 2 years makes no sense.
2. Her father would have INSTANTLY known the people in Vault 32 at the exchange were not fellow company-men (though afterward he claimed to recognize Moldave) he is able to remember some weird password but not his fellow coworkers he is conspiring with?
3. Moldave 200 years ago was an anti-vaultec person yet she has apparently been in suspended animation. How?
4. Even if you could suspend disbelief on some of this, the idea that the brain didn't check up on Vault 32 and neither did Lucy dad in 2 years and Moldave just HAPPENED to know everyone there was dead and wait around for 33 to request an exchange is a BIG leap of belief suspension.

1- Moldave and his wife were in cahoots, she would have used her credentials to maintain the illusion that everything was ok.
2- True, he should have recognised her.
3- Perhaps she was with AVault Tec all along, learned of their plan, and decided to secretely start a movement against them.
4- Working with Lucy's mother, Moldave would have all the information she would need to construct an elaborate ruse.

008Zulu posted...

1- Moldave and his wife were in cahoots, she would have used her credentials to maintain the illusion that everything was ok.

Them being in cahoots could work except that the computer in Vault 32 overseer room had a massive hole in it if I recall.
Then again the lil bro accessed some computer, which one was that?

2- True, he should have recognised her.

Thinking about it more, didn't she literally introduce herself as Moldave?
Not only should he remember as being a big anti-vaulttec person 200 years ago he would remember going to her city a burning it to the ground because his wife joined it. LOL

3- Perhaps she was with AVault Tec all along, learned of their plan, and decided to secretely start a movement against them.

I can see her raiding a vault and using their machine I suppose, but it would have to be done early on.

4- Working with Lucy's mother, Moldave would have all the information she would need to construct an elaborate ruse.

I can see this if they got in Vault 32 two years ago. But the timeline doesn't seem to work out. Didn't Lucy mom go to live in New Cali and Moldave was president? Then Lucy dad comes and burns it down and kill Lucy mom.
So then...Moldave would have to had entered Vault 32 after all this.

WingsOfGood posted...

Them being in cahoots could work except that the computer in Vault 32 overseer room had a massive hole in it if I recall.
Then again the lil bro accessed some computer, which one was that?

It was the one at the desk, I think Betty smashed it because she knew he had used it.

Friends,

I watch 7 shows, I will save the last for tomorrow.

I think they did a good job. I am playing fallout 4 right now,
and I just played fallout 3 a few weeks ago.

I did not like the main chick, I thought people in a vault would be skinny,
and how is she a Ninja. She fought off like 10 guys in one show...
Still, a damn good show. it will suck to wait a year for season two.

Lmao people mad because someone gave her a big butt
https://youtu.be/v6yttiTAzP0
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My impression is that the Vaults don't communicate a ton with each other. Brain-on-a-Roomba obviously isn't that helpful and they appeared to only speak with one another for trading and breeding purposes.

Hank probably recognized Moldaver in a vague way, just enough to know that she'd be a Vault-Tec employee.

Moldaver is a genius with connections and probably knew other people screwed over by Vault Tec. Possibly even the company that developed cryogenic sleep.

We will figure out how she survived in season two.

pegusus123456 posted...

My impression is that the Vaults don't communicate a ton with each other. Brain-on-a-Roomba obviously isn't that helpful and they appeared to only speak with one another for trading and breeding purposes.

Hank probably recognized Moldaver in a vague way, just enough to know that she'd be a Vault-Tec employee.

They dont. The show made it pretty clear that the non Vault Tec employees are just in isolation and assume the other vaults are doing the same thing.

I4NRulez posted...

They dont. The show made it pretty clear that the non Vault Tec employees are just in isolation and assume the other vaults are doing the same thing.

The other vaults are different companies. This was the purpose of Ghoul wife plan at the end. Each company manages their own vault differently.

31-33 is all Vault-tec.

Vault 4 for instance I don't think was managed by vault-tec scientists

WingsOfGood posted...

The other vaults are different companies. This was the purpose of Ghoul wife plan at the end. Each company manages their own vault differently.

31-33 is all Vault-tec.

Vault 4 for instance I don't think was manahed by vault-tec scientists

None of the vaults communicate with each other. The 3 interconnected vaults dont outside of that marriage event. Thats why they didnt know one was wiped out and thats why they knew nothing about the vault with all the employees.

Even the vaults outside of the 3 dont communicate. Its been a running thing through the games. The vaults are all isolated

Yeah I was anticipating more reveals in the finale.

Beany posted...

Yeah I was anticipating more reveals in the finale.

What other reveals were you hoping for?

I think the robot in 31 is basically doing what normal overseers do to their people. Keep them in line. So by telling 33 that 32 has been MIA for 2 years, it'd spook and ruin the trio setup, likely causing everyone in cryo to die as well.

They talked about 'control' in the board room meeting with the other corporations. They also talked about having the vault dwellers chase their tales in one of their weird and crazy vault concepts.

What I'm curious about is how Lucy's dad somehow blew up Shady Acres.

As far as the lady, I just assume she got cryo'd somewhere. iirc that was the first mission in Fallout 4, stealing someone's cryo slot.

ClayGuida posted...

I think the robot in 31 is basically doing what normal overseers do to their people. Keep them in line. So by telling 33 that 32 has been MIA for 2 years, it'd spook and ruin the trio setup, likely causing everyone in cryo to die as well.

But he wouldn't tell everyone just the overseer who is a Vault-tec employee.

008Zulu posted...

What other reveals were you hoping for?

Oh no idea what exactly, just something that explained some of the plot holes TC mentioned.

I wonder how long it took Lucy's father to walk from Los Angeles to New Vegas? That has to be close to 1 week on foot. I envy the endurance of the fusion cores in the show, the ones in game barely seem to last an hour.

008Zulu posted...

I wonder how long it took Lucy's father to walk from Los Angeles to New Vegas? That has to be close to 1 week on foot. I envy the endurance of the fusion cores in the show, the ones in game barely seem to last an hour.

They also seem to be very scarce in the show. Which is funny because I have about six of them from an hour of play in 76...

Hexenherz posted...

They also seem to be very scarce in the show. Which is funny because I have about six of them from an hour of play in 76...

The ammo perk has them in every other ammo box or desk drawer. Maybe he maxed out that perk, and has just found them under every rock?

Crimson_Corsair posted...

On its own it isn't terrible. However, if you're a fan of FO1, 2 and NV lore and are invested into the world building... you're going to fucking hate this.

It is an open secret that Bethesda hates NV and the og games. And it shows.

fo 1, 2 and new vegas are my favorite games in the series and I loved the show. Have you heard about the cancelled fallout 3 game? Nothing that happened in this show wasnt going to be explored in van buren. The ncr was supposed to fall, beth has been slowly incorporating stuff from van buren for a long time now.

those plot holes are things I noticed too, the show does make lucys dad seemingly look like an idiot. There is potentially hundreds of people cryogenically frozen so him not knowing everyone is plausible.

the robot cleaning up vault 32 needs an explanation, I was just talking to a friend about how none of that made any sense. As far as we know there are only 3 people from 31 who are active. One is on the surface, and I dont think the other two are capable of doing it alone.

dont listen to the nay sayers, the show didnt retcon new vegas, at the worst it added new stuff to the timeline.

Barber102 posted...

the robot cleaning up vault 32 needs an explanation

That was the guy in the meeting with Cooper's wife.

my biggest issue is how the ending misses the point of the fallout games

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

my biggest issue is how the ending misses the point of the fallout games

How so?

WingsOfGood posted...

How so?

This very confused by that point. Like it seems to get in dead on considering the things that happen and the people involved.

Hell even just the way Shady Sands is taken out is a very Fallout sort of thing.

since when has the Fallout games been about how capitalism is bad?

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

since when has the Fallout games been about how capitalism is bad?

Since thats kind of a background lore sort of thing considering the whole reason for the Great War was over consumption of natural resources and it has been kind of a theory that has existed that it was caused on purpose?

FWIW, I've been watching some reaction videos and the show does state that the marriage is part of the Vaults' triennial trade. So yeah, they probably don't talk much outside of that.

008Zulu posted...

That was the guy in the meeting with Cooper's wife.

i know that, i meant how did he manage to clean 32 when he gets trapped by a simple broom. That needs an explanation. It was obvious who the robot brain is.

In the flashback, didn't Moldave say that it while it was hypocritical for her to be a rich commie, you sometimes have to use the enemies weapons against them?

I'd guess she just either joined valttec as a spy or found someway to buy her way into a cryogenic pod.

My impression was that she already worked for Vault-Tec. Her company was bought out by them, I believe?

No mention of the Ghoulfication potion hastily put together by the chicken fucker vendor?

Fwiw, Lucy's dad wasn't exactly some high ranking Vault-Tec executive. He was an executive assistant. It's entirely possible that Bud wouldn't tell him about the status of Vault 32.

The Moldaver stuff is weird though. How did she survive? Where did she get a raider army? Were the raiders part of the same NCR remnant we saw at the observatory? They didn't seem like the type to brutally raid a Vault.

what i want to know is, if the purpose of Vault 31 is to store cryogenically frozen Vault Tec employees in anticipation of Reclamation Day and resettling the wasteland, then why are some of them thawed out and made Overseer of the other two vaults? did those employees draw the short straw or what? they are going to live and die before they will get a chance to resettle the wasteland. and yeah, there is the detail that the other two vaults are there to provide breeding stock, but how does that make sense when the Vault 31 people don't even tell their children the truth about the vaults, and none of their children go on to become Overseers themselves, or to have any real power in the tri-vault system? all of the Overseers were people who came from Vault 31. not descendents of people who came from Vault 31.

I think the purpose is to train Vault 32 and 33 to be bright-eyed, sunny managers like Bud. Lucy herself acts a lot like an ineffective middle manager when she tries to deal with surface dwellers her way.

It's not meant to be Vault 31 employees doing the entire job themselves.

why is the show getting so much praise on CE, but youtube critics are saying the show is bad and ruined the series?