Current Events > No Tip Warning Appears On DoorDash In Updated Feature

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Maybe you just have zero experience with the common man, but employees don't give a rat's ass how much fault corporate has when they're being treated like dirt by customers. Do NOT take it out on them. Ever.

Food delivery drivers in my country don't get tipped. It's all paid by the company.

Well then, why wouldn't they? Given that it's the origin of the problems.

Tips are the new racketeering scheme.

The mob should get in on the gig economy.

Because that's no excuse for pathetic excuses of human beings to abuse them.
"I'm allowed to abuse you because someone else is abusing you harder. Take it up with them."

I know the concept of human empathy is dying, but can you guys at least pretend to be good people?

I feel like I'm losing the thread.

I'm ok with the way this is set up, their wages aren't phenomenal. Tips are more like bids with that service.

Don't want to tip, either accept slower service or *gasp* get'cher own food!

Bro this is literally why there's now a warning, for people like you that refuse to get on board with how incentives work.

Not tipping isn't taking anything out on you tho. If you feel that way then you need to personally deal with it. Has nothing to do with me.
Not tipping is not tipping, that is it. But you wanna act like I'm the motherfucker that's repoing their house or some shit.

I've thought of pre-tipping as kind of like a protection scheme.

"Wouldn't want something nasty to happen to that chicken caccitore, hm?"

And some people seem to have been trained to reserve their rage for those who opt out of the scam! For the love of baby Jesus, leave some leather on those corporate boots!

The. Only. Abuser. In. The. Scenario. Is. The. Employer.

Because you're not "opting out."

"Opting out" would be not using the service at all. Punishing the company inflicting it.

Using the service and not tipping doesn't hurt the company or the system itself, it just hurts the poor schlub who has to now do the job for nothing, or even at a loss. And no, punishing the likely-already-poor gig worker is not going to encourage them to do something else, seeing as they're likely already desperate. Evidence: they saw your $2 for 6 miles tipless delivery and took it anyway.

No, it's not your problem. But there's the ethical way to protest, and the asshole way to protest, and using a tipped service and not tipping is squarely the latter.

Paying into a protection racket and bribing is a form of incentive, I guess.

Because you're not "opting out."

"Opting out" would be not using the service at all. Punishing the company inflicting it.

Using the service and not tipping isnt opting out, its opting in and saying "fuck you, got mine." It doesn't hurt the company or the system itself, it just hurts the poor schlub who has to now do the job for nothing, or even at a loss. And no, punishing the likely-already-poor gig worker is not going to encourage them to do something else, seeing as they're likely already desperate. Evidence: they saw your $2 for 6 miles tipless delivery and took it anyway.

No, it's not your problem. But there's the ethical way to protest, and the asshole way to protest, and using a tipped service and not tipping is squarely the latter.

The best protest is for workers to quit. Once the company can no longer provide a service, they will be forced to pay wages if they want to stay in business.

The customer protesting is the same result, except the worker will not be leaving on their own terms because cuts will be made rapidly and sporadically. At least with the former, the worker can plan their exit.

The issue is that its the company that decided you were not worth paying as you increase their profits. When a customer buys something, they expect that everything is included in that price. Imagine buying a table from IKEA online. 3 weeks later, you still dont have your table. You call IKEA and they give you the number to the contract delivery service who has your table. The contractor tells you that if you dont pay them directly, they wont give you your table. You explain that you paid IKEA a delivery fee. The contractor tells you that IKEA doesnt pay them the fee and you must do it. You dont see the issue with this?

This is how it should work: If the company refuses to pay wages, the workers should not work there. When the workers quit, the company no longer has a service to provide and must increase wages in order to stay in business. Thats not the responsibility of the customer.

Time and fuel are limited resources. If you want someone to prioritize you when they have to decide how to use them efficiently then you might want to kick a few extra dollars their way to make the decision even easier.

People still not undrstanding that it isnt and was never a tip, but a bid for their service

Then just don't give the company any money and hope that forces change. Stiffing the driver means everyone won except the person getting paid the least, the one most viewed as expendable.

FFS

If you don't like tipping culture, do not give your money to companies that refuse to give a living wage.

If you do order from companies that refuse to give their servers/deliverer a living wage, then you really ought to tip them.

The company is always the asshole in these scenarios. Always.

You have the choice to be an asshole, or not be one.

"Yeah, I screamed at the worker and stiffed him money, but his boss kind of created the scenario so they have no right to be mad at me! Some people have to suffer and that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

People have enough trouble at work without your ilk making it worse.

The only protest is for workers to quit. Nothing will ever change otherwise.
You don't see me looking to work a job where I don't get paid a wage. Too many other people are just okay with it.

And you still deign it to push your ire on me and not the ones actually exploiting people. I'm not "punishing" anyone.

Then use one of the other services like UberEats or even Grubhub.

Again making up these wonderful imaginative scenarios that make me out to be worse than the actual exploiters. Go ahead and keep putting words in people's mouths. That'll make you win!

You can still push your own ire on the company without punishing the workers.

Or just don't be a lazyass and go pick up your own food, ingrate.

Why don't you just shit in someone's mouth and tell them to blame their boss for allowing it and themselves for working there?

The best protest is for workers to quit. Once the company can no longer provide a service, they will be forced to pay wages if they want to stay in business.

The customer protesting is the same result, except the worker will not be leaving on their own terms because cuts will be made rapidly and sporadically. At least with the former, the worker can plan their exit.

Completely agree, but they need to change the name in this case from tip to bid. Because this isn't tipping.

I'm not punishing anyone. Get it through your thick skull. The only one stiffing the worker is the company.

Which is all well and good, except that it's putting a huge burden on the people least able to shoulder it.

A burden that wouldn't be such a problem if we had an adequate safety net but that's an issue for another thread.

I dont want them to prioritize me. I want them to deliver my order within the specified agreed timeframe. That time is acceptable to me. If it wasnt, I wouldnt have agreed to the time.

And how many lives are we comfortable volunteering to be made worse while we spend decades fixing society? Is your own among them?

And how many lives are we comfortable volunteering to be made worse while we spend decades fixing society? Is your own among them?

A burden that wouldn't be such a problem if we had an adequate safety net but that's an issue for another thread.

capitalism already writes off the bottom 10-15% so everyone else can benefit, cant get too much worse than that

If not tipping is considered abuse, then why is the option to abuse the worker made available?