Current Events > No Tip Warning Appears On DoorDash In Updated Feature

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Trevorkkho posted...

That's why the best fix without costing anybody anything is change the word from tip to bid on all gig delivery app. These apps won't even start to pump up the base pay till the order was already late. That alone would shut the people up who pretend not know the word was used two ways and claim high ground because of one.

You've been harping on this bid thing for awhile and you're thinking it's wildly more clever than it is. No one is bidding on your delivery from mcdonalds. Like Uber or Lyft, it will ping a random nearby driver and if they decline, it goes to the next. Period. These dudes aren't sitting by a bounty board arguing over the bids on juiciest deliveries man. Your metaphor simply makes no sense.

Place an order with a $5 tip
It goes to a nearby driver
Wait for delivery
Eat food.

That's not bidding.

Wow, this is quite a fast topic. I'll have a read later.

thread summed up so easily

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c04e5da.jpg

oldest trick in the book and they fell for it

Rika_Furude posted...

Plenty of people ITT think that non-tippers are scum of the earth and deserve being assaulted such as having their food spat in. Again its just questioning them to see how far they would take their assault. What difference is a it between spitting in someones food or throwing a rock in their window? People have justified spitting in their food amongst other things. Tip-demanders are not ethical people.

customers arent responsible for how a business employees are paid either

employees wages are the responsibility of the business, regardless of your acktchshually shit going on with the terminology of gratuity. If theres a choice between something costing $5 and the employee being paid without a tip, or the thing costing $2 and the only way for the employee to be paid is with a $3 tip, the former is better in 100% of cases, no exception.

yep and they would use all that energy to harass a customer who is necessary for their whole business to exist in the first place rather than the company who decided to charge a delivery fee and not give them a cut.

imagine if they used that energy for good instead

So basically it's like when amazon sometimes gives you something free if you pick "no rush delivery"? :v Like, I don't have to pay the tip if I'm not in a hurry to get the food? I could always just order way ahead of time and save the money. Like, if I'm ordering a salad it's fine if its cold.

And then

Plumeofdusk posted...

So basically it's like when amazon sometimes gives you something free if you pick "no rush delivery"? :v Like, I don't have to pay the tip if I'm not in a hurry to get the food? I could always just order way ahead of time and save the money. Like, if I'm ordering a salad it's fine if its cold.

no but see they will be frothing at the mouth and poop in your salad and then post on the internet and people will clap for them and say you deserved it

Sexypwnstar posted...

If you're not using Doordash, Ubereats, etc. You're causing people to die faster

lol how did I miss this GEM

so if I go in person and pick my own food (remember the whiners ITT said people who use these services are lazy and so SHOULD tip) then I am being bad too?

by not using Doordash I am causing drivers to be poorer?

or is that a troll post that baited me?

Door dash GrubHub Uber eats is a horrible horrible industry.

Get off your ******* and cook some food.
Stay in school, don't do drugs
Don't do anything your poor drunk obese methhead neighbor wouldn't do

SSj4Wingzero posted...

I actually don't mind the practice of tipping for delivery (but then there really shouldn't be a "delivery fee", since that's just a way for the store to make extra money that doesn't go to the driver). IMO that's been a thing for quite some time, and I'm not sure why there's pushback against it now.

The stuff that's really obnoxious is:

-Self-serve food places asking for tips before your food has been given to you
-Asking for tips for take-out orders

You know where else you get food given to you for eat-in or take-out? A McDonald's. If you don't provide a level of service above a McDonald's...I don't see why a tip is warranted.

I bet the DoorDash drivers who whine about not getting tips don't give McDonald's staff a tip when they produce the order faster so they can deliver it on time

thinking....

WingsOfGood posted...

thread summed up so easily

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c04e5da.jpg

oldest trick in the book and they fell for it

lmao

Gremlynn posted...

it's also not legally required of me to not shit in the floor drain instead of the toilet in a public restroom.

But yall get real big fuckin mad at me when I do it.

That would be considered vandalism and is illegal.

If I ever use this service (which I will never), Im paying what on the bill.

• Subtotal for my food
• Delivery fee
• taxes
• total

If your employer does not give you that delivery fee, that between you and your employer.

Hell, Ive seen driver deliver to my coworkers. Theyre talking on their phones, barely acknowledging the customer. And when the customer says Thank you, they respond with a hand wave or Sure.

Thats not tippable service at all.

If the tip is effectively required, then why is it not just included as a fee? Is it because it would be silly to have multiple delivery charges?

WingsOfGood posted...

thread summed up so easily

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c04e5da.jpg

oldest trick in the book and they fell for it

Pretty much.

pnut027 posted...

If I ever use this service (which I will never), Im paying what on the bill.

* Subtotal for my food
* Delivery fee
* taxes
* total

If your employer does not give you that delivery fee, that between you and your employer.

Hell, Ive seen driver deliver to my coworkers. Theyre talking on their phones, barely acknowledging the customer. And when the customer says Thank you, they respond with a hand wave or Sure.

Thats not tippable service at all.

This.

reincarnator07 posted...

If the tip is effectively required, then why is it not just included as a fee? Is it because it would be silly to have multiple delivery charges?

Because companies would rather keep up the propaganda that it's the consumers moral responsibility to pay Ubers/resteraunts staff an acceptable wage or its you the consumer, and not the rich companies, that's the asshole. The moral obligation angle, which does work on some. It works on too many actually.

Which I should clarify it's not inherently bad someone wishes to give a tip, but the problem is the brainwashing that you have a moral obligation to. Or even the arbitrary rules on who gets a tip and who doesn't, as more than just food workers provide you a service amd get paid a shit wage.

Or even just the massive misconception that workers who are employed in resteraunts can legally pay you a sub minimum wage if tips are short.

RyukSan posted...

Because companies would rather keep up the propaganda that it's the consumers moral responsibility to pay Ubers/resteraunts staff an acceptable wage or its you the consumer, and not the rich companies, that's the asshole. The moral obligation angle, which does work on some.

Oh I certainly see why companies want to keep things this way, I just don't get the people that have fallen for said propaganda.

RyukSan posted...

Because companies would rather keep up the propaganda that it's the consumers moral responsibility to pay Ubers/resteraunts staff an acceptable wage or its you the consumer, and not the rich companies, that's the asshole. The moral obligation angle, which does work on some.

Literally no one said the companies aren't assholes. They absolutely are. What you and everyone else who argue against tipping (while it's the standard) keep ignoring is that if the companies bumped up their employees direct wages, they would just pass that expense (and then some) on to the customer anyway, while keeping a cut for themselves. The end result would be the customer being charged more than if they just tacked on a 15-20% tip, while the server/driver/bartender winds up making less. Literally no one but the rich asshole companies wins in that scenario.

TheOtherMike posted...

Literally no one said the companies aren't assholes. They absolutely are. What you and everyone else who argue against tipping (while it's the standard) keep ignoring is that if the companies bumped up their employees direct wages, they would just pass that expense on to the customer anyway, while keeping a cut for themselves. The end result would be the customer being charged more than if they just tacked on a 15-20% tip, while the server/driver/bartender winds up making less. Literally no one but the rich asshole companies wins in that scenario.

Once again you bring up a point that many has already addressed many times on this board.

If the companies raised their prices, most who are against tipping would not care.

It's up to the consumers if we want to continue being a consumer of their product. You have been told several times now that we are only obligated to pay what the company charges for their services and or product. Nothing more. If the prices for the service and products go up, so be it. We the consumers will decide if it's worth it.

You have been told many times now we don't find it our responsibility to make sure a companies staff meets above minimum wage. As once again there seems to be this misconception a company is allowed to pay a sub minimum wage if tips are short. That is against the law, regardless if any company is breaking the law.

Your argument that we would pay more is not an argument for against those who don't support your love for tipping for reasons you have been told many times before. Tips are not mandatory (your feelings telling you they are doesn't change in reality they actually arent). What the company charges for their services and product actually is mandatory.

As for your first sentence, the point being made is people like you focus more on the consumers than the companies on responsibility with your moral superiority complex.

I'm sure all the people who get tips will enthusiastically sign off on the plan of not making money while we work on abolishing tipping. And if they're upset, who cares??!!! We'll just say they are selfish and brainwashed by corporate propaganda. I am very intelligent and empathetic and definitely refusing to tip as social protest!

/s

Rika literally said a civilized country would make the tip mandatory. Because apparently charging the customer extra to pay the employees or cover nonsensical fees and inflation is acceptable if it's forced on you rather than asked of you.

RyukSan posted...

If the companies raised their prices, most who are against tipping would not care.

Which makes no sense because, again:

TheOtherMike posted...

The end result would be the customer being charged more than if they just tacked on a 15-20% tip, while the server/driver/bartender winds up making less.

You are calling the companies assholes in one breath while declaring that it's perfectly fine if they charge you more and pay their employees less in the next. What you haven't "addressed many times" (or even once) is how that makes any sense whatsoever.

RyukSan posted...

As for your first sentence, the point being made is people like you focus more on the consumers than the companies on responsibility with your moral superiority complex.

Because that's how it works in the current system. There is no "complex," is is indisputably morally superior to not fuck over your server by not tipping them when you know up front that tips are expected.

TheOtherMike posted...

Which makes no sense because, again:

It makes perfect sense, you have trouble following along.

What a company pays its workers, is not my responsibility to correct. What a company charges is all I am responsible for paying if I wish to use their services and products.

Your voluntary surcharge (tips) is irrelevant to this fact, regardless of your moral complex that you have that tells you one is supposed to when literally they are not required.

This is not complex. If they raises their prices to cover whatever they want to cover, so be it. The only thing I as the consumer is responsible for is the total they charge me, and I as the consumer will determine if I wish to use their services and products. What that company pays its staff is between the workers and the company. Not me.

TheOtherMike posted...

Because that's how it works in the current system. There is no "complex," is is indisputably morally superior to not fuck over your server by not tipping them when you know up front that tips are expected.

You're speaking to a brick wall, here. Moral superiority doesn't matter, to him.

He has made it abundantly clear, in his own words, that unless the tip is legally and mandatorally forced upon him, there is no moral superiority in giving one, servers being screwed into poverty and dancing for his amusement be damned. Anything saying otherwise is apparently just namby-pamby bleeding heart BS, and not giving a fuck and exploiting a fucked up system for his exclusive benefit is A-ok.

Essentially, as far as he's concerned, the social contract doesn't matter. only an actual contract

RyukSan posted...

Once again you bring up a point that many has already addressed many times on this board.

If the companies raised their prices, most who are against tipping would not care.

It's up to the consumers if we want to continue being a consumer of their product. You have been told several times now that we are only obligated to pay what the company charges for their services and or product. Nothing more. If the prices for the service and products go up, so be it. We the consumers will decide if it's worth it.

Your argument that we would pay more is not an argument for against those who don't support your love for tipping for reasons you have been told many times before. Tips are not mandatory (your feelings telling you they are doesn't change in reality they actually arent). What the company charges for their services and product actually is mandatory.

As for your first sentence, the point being made is people like you focus more on the consumers than the companies on responsibility with your moral superiority complex.

So if you are charged $25 and asked for a tip, you'll froth at the mouth and call everyone who tips brainwashed by propaganda

But if that same greedy company charges you $45 for that service straight-up, you'll happily pay that inflated price.

You care about your own wallet even less than you do fellow workers. All you care about is not being shamed for doing things non-mandatory. The free-thinking non-brainwashed RyukSan will pay any mandatory price for Applebee's.

RyukSan posted...

This is not complex. If they raises their prices to cover whatever they want to cover, so be it. The only thing I as the consumer is responsible for is the total they charge me, and I as the consumer will determine if I wish to use their services and products. What that company pays its staff is between the workers and the company. Not me.

They're overcharging in that scenario to literally get you to pay their staff to avoid it hurting their bottom line. Your argument is that it is perfectly fine for a company to rob you as long as they do it with a gun to your head. They are heaving the responsibility onto you in both scenarios.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

You're speaking to a brick wall, here. Moral superiority doesn't matter, to him.

He has made it abundantly clear, in his own words, that unless the tip is legally and mandatorally forced upon him, there is no moral superiority in giving one, servers being screwed into poverty and dancing for his amusement be damned. Anything saying otherwise is apparently just namby-pamby bleeding heart BS, and not giving a fuck and exploiting a fucked up system for his exclusive benefit is A-ok.

I just don't arbitrarily value a food service worker making minimum wage over the cashier at my grocery store.

As both workers are legally required to make minimum wage at the end of a pay period. Including the food service worker making sub minimum as there seems to be a popular misconception that sub minimum wage is legal when tips are short.

As for DD, Uber, etc, I don't use those companies to begin with.

RyukSan posted...

As both workers are legally required to make minimum wage at the end of a pay period. Including the food service worker making sub minimum as there seems to be a popular misconception that sub minimum wage is legal when tips are short.

I sure wish you worked as a waiter and got stiffed on tips. I'm sure you'd happily accept getting minimum wage, and then fired when your boss says you are bad at your job since you don't get tips.

hockeybub89 posted...

So if you are charged $25 and asked for a tip, you'll froth at the mouth and call everyone who tips brainwashed by propaganda

But if that same greedy company charges you $45 for that service straight-up, you'll happily pay that inflated price.

You care about your own wallet even less than you do fellow workers. All you care about is not being shamed for doing things non-mandatory. The free-thinking non-brainwashed RyukSan will pay any mandatory price for Applebee's.

You seem to have a reoccurring pattern of having trouble reading. Reread what you just quoted (post 469) very thoroughly.

It doesn't say Im willing to pay any price. In fact it points out the company can raise their prices to whatever, we the consumers will decide if it's worth it.

hockeybub89 posted...

I sure wish you worked as a waiter and got stiffed on tips. I'm sure you'd happily accept getting minimum wage, and then fired when your boss says you are bad at your job since you don't get tips.

I'm flattered you seem to think I haven't worked shitty jobs before.

In reality I just never felt entitled to tips as I was always aware they are not actually required of people I served.

RyukSan posted...

It makes perfect sense, you have trouble following along.

What a company pays its workers, is not my responsibility to correct. What a company charges is all I am responsible for paying if I wish to use their services and products.

This doesn't address what I said. At all. And it's wrong.

Scenario A. Your bill is $20. You are expected to tip. You tip %20, bringing your total to $24. Your server gets a $2 wage for the time they spent serving you, and the tip, for a total of $6 made on your table. The server made ~$18/hour if they average three tables like your per hour, and you pay $24 for your meal.

Scenario B. Your bill for the same plate is $30. The server is paid minimum wage. That extra $10 per plate goes almost exclusively to the employer. The server made $9/hour and you paid $30 for your dinner.

Again:

Scenario A - The server made ~$18/hour and you pay $24 for your meal.

Scenario B - The server made $9/hour and you paid $30 for your dinner.

You cannot explain how scenario B is preferable to A. You literally haven't even tried.

Were_Wyrm posted...

This is why I use UberEats, if I have to tip up front I better have the ability to take it back if the service was shitty.

Except then drivers get fucked over by tip baiting.

"Ooh I can bait you in with an alluring tip and then pretend it was shitty service as an excuse to lower or remove the tip!"

I would still have customers upset with me when I delivered pizza for a local place and I had accountability. Yes your food takes a long time to get to you, yes sometimes it's cold, yes sometimes it's the wrong order but 99% of the time it wasn't my fault.

I had a boss to report to I couldn't stop anywhere on the way, opening food packages to double check if the food is correct just makes the food get colder faster and it was already somebody else's job to do that. Lastly, sometimes restaurants run behind on making food or traffic is bad, considerably worse when the delivery service has no limit on delivery distance. Thankfully my restaurant at least had a 12 minute distance limit which really should have been a 7 mile limit.

No one should work for DoorDash or Uber Eats, sounds like a horrible hell where there's already a plethora of problems and then you also get to wear down one of the most expensive things you'll have to buy in your life, a car.

It really is telling when the only argument someone has is "you can't make me"

The best way to fight this is to simply not use the service. I remember one time I ordered a $10 meal and all of a sudden I see my price was like $20's or something like that without the tip. Granted I rarely eat out as it is, but man what the actual fuck. The service is simply too expensive, you're better off making food at home or getting it yourself. The only reason I used the service once was because I was taking care of my daughter and didn't feel like cooking anything, but man I paid for that out of my wallet pretty badly. The worst part was when the delivery driver gave it to the wrong house and I had to locate it myself.

Nothing says anti-greedy corporation like mindlessly spending infinite amounts of money on shiny things as long as the corporations don't ask for a tip. I'm sure they would love to hear that consumers say "I'll pay any price as long as you call it a mandatory fee!" They'd abolish tipping culture in 10 minutes tops.

tripleh213 posted...

Wingsofgood posted
thread summed up so easily

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4c04e5da.jpg

oldest trick in the book and they fell for it
lmao

Yep

Gremlynn posted...

It really is telling when the only argument someone has is "you can't make me"

I wonder if he puts the cart away or if that is considered free labor

hockeybub89 posted...

So if you are charged $25 and asked for a tip, you'll froth at the mouth and call everyone who tips brainwashed by propaganda

But if that same greedy company charges you $45 for that service straight-up, you'll happily pay that inflated price.

That definitely seems to be what he's saying.

WingsOfGood posted...

Yep

The corporation is now charging $60 for what was $30 plus tip. We sure showed them, guys! We will not be forced to supplement a corporations payroll and costs!

hockeybub89 posted...

I wonder if he puts the cart away or if that is considered free labor

Probably throws a tantrum about self checkout

pnut027 posted...

If I ever use this service (which I will never), Im paying what on the bill.

Subtotal for my food
Delivery fee
taxes
total

Your food total
Price of using doordash (extra)
Delivery fee
Taxes

And they ask you
Nm
Demand you tip also cause neither the delivery fee nor the price doordash charges really pays them and it is YOUR fault

Prestoff posted...

The best way to fight this is to simply not use the service. I remember one time I ordered a $10 meal and all of a sudden I see my price was like $20's or something like that without the tip. Granted I rarely eat out as it is, but man what the actual fuck. The service is simply too expensive, you're better off making food at home or getting it yourself.

Yeah this couldn't be more true. But not everybody thinks like this. Heck my gf with next to no income wastes money on this for convenience.

Prestoff posted...

The best way to fight this is to simply not use the service. I remember one time I ordered a $10 meal and all of a sudden I see my price was like $20's or something like that without the tip. Granted I rarely eat out as it is, but man what the actual fuck. The service is simply too expensive, you're better off making food at home or getting it yourself. The only reason I used the service once was because I was taking care of my daughter and didn't feel like cooking anything, but man I paid for that out of my wallet pretty badly. The worst part was when the delivery driver gave it to the wrong house and I had to locate it myself.

Then the whiners wouldn't have a job

So really they need to use their whining energy and direct it at doordash with strikes or such

RyukSan posted...

I'm flattered you seem to think I haven't worked shitty jobs before.

In reality I just never felt entitled to tips as I was always aware they are not actually required of people I served.

Well you'd think you would grow a fucking spine then, instead of bending over and taking it from worthless customers because "Well ackshually my boss is the real problem."

WingsOfGood posted...

Your food total
Price of using doordash (extra)
Delivery fee
Taxes

And they ask you
Nm
Demand you tip also cause neither the delivery fee nor the price doordash charges really pays them and it is YOUR fault

Yes, it is your fault. Stop utilizing unpaid labor for your lifestyle

DoorScam

WingsOfGood posted...

Your food total
Price of using doordash (extra)
Delivery fee
Taxes

And they ask you
Nm
Demand you tip also cause neither the delivery fee nor the price doordash charges really pays them and it is YOUR fault

But as long as they put the tip into the cost: "Take my money, corporate daddy. Give me any number and I'll pay it. Just please no asking for tips."

Gremlynn posted...

Yes, it is your fault. Stop utilizing unpaid labor for your lifestyle

Unpaid labor?

Doordash pays them $0?

And they still worknfor doordash!?!?

Like I hate unpaid labor like self checkout

Respect yourself

Temperature folks, society as a whole is brainwashed by tip culture.

But also tipped employees are all out of work if the non-tippers stop using our services because the business won't last without them.

WingsOfGood posted...

Then the whiners wouldn't have a job

So really they need to use their whining energy and direct it at doordash with strikes or such

"If workers don't strike, then fuck them. No sympathy!"