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ZannoL
10/17/23 12:21:26 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Struggle in the sense of hard work and dedication is fine. Struggle in the sense of other people deliberately making your life miserable is not.

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UnfairRepresent
10/17/23 12:23:24 PM
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potdnewb posted...
my own happiness that has nothing to do with anyone else
What a silly post.

"You got up at 5AM and worked 2 shitty jobs with low pay to cover your pre-existing medical condition that your insurance won't cover while you're in agony and it gets worse every day.

Then a cop shot your son because he was black?

Well it's your fault you're not happy. Just be happy, it's in your control."

These are attitudes of spoiled rich sheltered people who think "suffering" is acceptable because it happens to other people.

Guys like Arnold would be the first to cry and scream if someone took his riches away because he "deserves" them. But the plebs don't. They need to "Suffer"

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BB_mofo
10/17/23 12:25:06 PM
#52:


Arnold had an abusive father growing up. He credits his father for pushing him into being successful so as to prove his father wrong. His younger brother crumpled under the same abuse and his life is a wreck. Instead of blaming their monster of a father, Arnold blames his brother for being weak.

So keep in mind that this is where Arnold is coming from.

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Karovorak
10/17/23 12:25:52 PM
#53:


cuttin_in_farm posted...
CE being constantly pessimistic and assuming worst case scenario intentions and implications never gets old.

I mean, it's not that extrem.

Right now only 9 votes (15%) are at "He's wrong".

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AloneIBreak
10/17/23 12:26:26 PM
#54:


But I dont want to be mentally tough, Ahhnuld!

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gatorsPENSbucs
10/17/23 12:28:28 PM
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Karovorak posted...
I mean, it's not that extrem.

Right now only 9 votes (15%) are at "He's wrong".
Which is kinda strange based on the comments here. Thought thered be a whole lot more nos.

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faizan_faizan
10/17/23 12:30:07 PM
#56:


We should never sugarcoat the realities of life from our children. You owe it to them to tell them about the inevitable realities of life they may face. It is your responsibility to prepare them mentally, physically and emotionally.

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DKBananaSlamma
10/17/23 12:34:24 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Which is kinda strange based on the comments here. Thought thered be a whole lot more nos.
Vocal minority is always a prevailing thing

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Prestoff
10/17/23 12:41:11 PM
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What he's saying is not wrong, but I think my big issue is that when people think of "coddling" and "toughening up" they think of extremes. Extremes in either case is toxic and bad for growth in general either shielding your kids in everything that can cause some discomfort or beating them up to "toughen them up". There's obviously a middle ground to be had when it comes to self improvement.

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cuttin_in_farm
10/17/23 1:43:13 PM
#59:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Dude is literally a Republican with a long history of abusing women.

You can't play the "You see what he actually meant was" card when he says right wing bullshit for decades.

Youre literally doing the what he actually meant card just in reverse bro.

Assuming the average person knows a celebritys political history is also a thing CE does.

Arnold of all people at least has credibility in overcoming hardship.

People are becoming more sensitive. Whether thats good or not, I dunno. Sometimes the needle goes too far. Acknowledging mental health and systemic hurdles is amazing and extremely helpful. But I dont think a solution is given at times.

The act of knowing the issue is enough for too many people. The type to say I dont have friends because of (insert disorder here). But folks just stop there and kinda sulk.

Back in the day, Im sure its frustrating having an issue nobody acknowledges and youre just outcasted or left behind (or worse, harmed).

But with progression in understanding, we still have to actually do something. The fear of being uncomfortable with things is definitely a downside of our progressing society. Imo.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
10/17/23 1:44:56 PM
#60:


The great men and women of history all had some kind of real struggle or adversity to over come.

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Villain_S_Fiend
10/17/23 1:50:21 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Youre literally doing the what he actually meant card just in reverse bro.
They cited precedent for why they thought what he said should be looked at with skepticism, so no, it's not just the same card in reverse.

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UnfairRepresent
10/17/23 1:53:45 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...


Youre literally doing the what he actually meant card just in reverse bro.

lolwut? "Actually listening to what he said is the same as going "what he actually meant was" and saying something completely different, you're just doing it in reverse"

That's seriously your argument right now?

Assuming the average person knows a celebritys political history is also a thing CE does.
Pretending you didn't know one of the most famous people in the world was the Governor of California is weird.

Demanding you're not allowed to listen to what he says and pretend he said something else is fucking weird.

All this nonsense solely to justify the rich being on top and corrupt while people suffer since "it's good for them"

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cuttin_in_farm
10/17/23 2:35:02 PM
#65:


Villain_S_Fiend posted...
They cited precedent for why they thought what he said should be looked at with skepticism, so no, it's not just the same card in reverse.

And people saying the opposite provided that hes gone through hardship, so is credible in the opposite direction.

So yes. The same in reverse.

Like, the dude said it is common knowledge hes governor of California. Isnt California like, a blue state?

Yall are weird to me tbh.

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TheLiarParadox
10/17/23 3:41:46 PM
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AceMos posted...
oh fuck *hug* im so sorry for your loss

ZannoL posted...
Omg, Im so sorry.

Thats just awful.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...
Jeez, I'm sorry for your family's loss. That brings up another vital point: there are no hard and fast rules on how to treat kids, because they're humans with an infinite spectrum (not meaning autism) of personalities and emotional needs.

Umbreon posted...
My condolences. No one should have to experience that.

Thank you, all. I really appreciate it.

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Irony
10/17/23 3:43:22 PM
#67:


Yes everybody should be Heihachi Mishima to their kids

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Priere
10/17/23 3:45:30 PM
#68:


Yes everybody should be Yujiro Hanma to their kids

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variasuite
10/17/23 3:49:35 PM
#69:


He's right in the sense that sharp edges exist and you can't protect them from all of them. That doesn't include mental illness, however, so saying "Get over it..." doesn't exactly work well, and that boomer mentality is actively harmful.

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StealThisSheen
10/17/23 3:53:47 PM
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I know somebody who coddles her kid to the extreme. She always asks him if he wants to do something, how it makes him feel, etc., before they do it... But that includes everything from doing homework, getting vaccines, etc.

Like, if you ask a kid if they like homework and want to do it, or want to get a necessary shot... Of course the kid is probably going to say no. But then instead of having him do it anyway, or encouraging him, she just goes "Okay," and that's where it ends. She had to start homeschooling him because he was failing school due to not doing homework or taking tests.

We need much less of that. But, obviously, we don't need to go to the extreme "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric typically takes us to, either.

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Ratchetrockon
10/17/23 4:02:56 PM
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I think dealing with people is the toughest part. Not studying or working out/doing manual labor.

I hate having to rely on other people to basically let me live. I feel like i have to tip toe around anyone because idk how they will react to my actions. This must be the long term effect of some childhood trauma.

I feel the Only solution for me is to try living off the grid but my chances are probably slim tbh. I didn't grow up learning how to hunt and make shelter. I will prob not last because my current body is not ideal to go live on a calorie deficient for months at a time. I'm on the verge of being emaciated despite access to many foods rn.

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Punished_Blinx
10/17/23 4:12:23 PM
#73:


Is it tough love when you have a secret love child with your maid that you try to hide from your family?

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voldothegr8
10/17/23 4:45:12 PM
#74:


WTF we HATE Arnie now!

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mybbqrules
10/17/23 4:49:02 PM
#75:


Jagr_68 posted...
also remember he's speaking as a bodybuilding Austrian immigrant who pushed himself into entertainment regardless of his work experience. He is right.
This.

Imagine how many people laughed or were skeptical when Arnie first told them he wanted to do movies. And imagine if he had let that get to him and he gave up.

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voldothegr8
10/17/23 5:03:37 PM
#76:


Punished_Blinx posted...
Is it tough love when you have a secret love child with your maid that you try to hide from your family?
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Doe
10/17/23 5:17:57 PM
#77:


It's self help advice. He's selling a book. It's as useful as any other self help advice, which is marginally for the people who need to hear it. It's not a completely nuanced perspective, and may smuggle in some negative beliefs about our society, but I wouldn't say it's malicious either. Unless you consider the whole self help industry malicious, which is not totally unfair.

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mercurydude
10/17/23 5:34:38 PM
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There's an element of truth to it, but this mindset has also historically been use as a justification to abuse certain groups, particularly disabled people.... so that to this very day there are those who believe people with autism, bipolar, and/or ADHD are people who just need to "toughen up" and that the conditions these people are diagnosed with are just made up.

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Sansoldier
10/17/23 5:39:52 PM
#79:


It depends. Some struggles are worth it, while others are manufactured, unneeded.

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BloodMoon7
10/17/23 5:45:16 PM
#80:


I've been through a lot of pain, pain doesn't really help you grow. Experience sure, but you can pick that up without having to suffer.

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Punished_Blinx
10/17/23 5:46:15 PM
#81:


Doe posted...
It's self help advice. He's selling a book. It's as useful as any other self help advice, which is marginally for the people who need to hear it. It's not a completely nuanced perspective, and may smuggle in some negative beliefs about our society, but I wouldn't say it's malicious either. Unless you consider the whole self help industry malicious, which is not totally unfair.

Tbh everything about it is good advice.

But he just has to sprinkle in "The younger generation is too soft!" bullshit and old guys who spout it always annoy me. The guy has been rich and successful for nearly half a century. He doesn't know what the younger generation is dealing with. He knows his bubble of fame and success along with interacting with a bunch of adoring normal people who look up to him.

There's plenty of pain and hardship that people are overcoming out there and it's not a bad thing to try and help those people.

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SHRlKE
10/17/23 5:47:02 PM
#82:


Two things.

A) Facing struggles and overcoming them IS important to growth.

B) That doesnt take away from the fact people sometimes need help to overcome said struggles.

Balance is the key and I fear weve coddled some people too far where its at their detriment.

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ZannoL
10/17/23 6:05:14 PM
#83:


SHRlKE posted...
Balance is the key
Indeed.
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Justin2Krelian
10/17/23 6:08:06 PM
#84:


How is this poll at 85% agree when the responses are so split?

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Damn_Underscore
10/17/23 6:13:43 PM
#85:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Struggle in the sense of hard work and dedication is fine. Struggle in the sense of other people deliberately making your life miserable is not.

You will face struggles in life. Maturity is knowing how to face them properly.

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Damn_Underscore
10/17/23 6:16:38 PM
#86:


Justin2Krelian posted...
How is this poll at 85% agree when the responses are so split?

CE is an example of how you SHOULDNT face struggles in life. Reading CE too much will make you a misanthrope.

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Hospy
10/17/23 6:16:46 PM
#87:


Justin2Krelian posted...
How is this poll at 85% agree when the responses are so split?
Vocal minority
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BloodMoon7
10/17/23 6:25:03 PM
#88:


Damn_Underscore posted...
CE is an example of how you SHOULDNT face struggles in life. Reading CE too much will make you a misanthrope.
What if I was already a misanthrope

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Puelto295
10/17/23 6:39:46 PM
#89:


I agree to a degree but having been raised with an extreme version of this ideology did me no favors to say the least...
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Damn_Underscore
10/17/23 6:40:01 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
What if I was already a misanthrope

Stay away from churches

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ZannoL
10/17/23 9:29:56 PM
#91:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Stay away from churches

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Lil_Bit83
10/17/23 10:17:01 PM
#92:


There's good in what he says, but it also depends on each individual's circumstances. A balance is needed.

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majin_nemesis
10/18/23 1:57:33 AM
#93:


SHRlKE posted...
Two things.

A) Facing struggles and overcoming them IS important to growth.

B) That doesnt take away from the fact people sometimes need help to overcome said struggles.

Balance is the key and I fear weve coddled some people too far where its at their detriment.
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hockeybub89
10/18/23 2:01:38 AM
#94:


What is the point of any of this if it should just be constant struggle?

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Guide
10/18/23 2:03:00 AM
#95:


What Arnold thinks is coddling, what I think is coddling, and what others think is coddling are probably very different things. And even then, it really depends on the child being raised. Some thrive with some conflict, others just break down.

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Notti
10/21/23 3:26:09 AM
#96:


FortuneCookie posted...
Arnold had two advantages that the modern generation does not have:

1) Legal use of steroids
2) Selective Nazi breeding

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He hated his father, and rightly so, but he is still a product of the "lets mate the fittest male with the fittest female" mindset.

Not everyone can pump iron and achieve the same results that he did. Our parents married for love or settled for what they could get. They weren't a part of somebody's attempt to create a master race.


Were his parents really all that fit??

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