Current Events > These organizations (BLM, DSA, college student org) showing their asses

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What youre seeing here is the rising sense of panic by pro Israel groups that their bullshit doesnt seem to be working anymore.

https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1711790931299426802?t=wxevkKD81AYLIjmJ3HwDsg&s=19

The worst one by far is the last one

WHAT? lol. TIL beheading babies should not be condemned

What youre seeing here is the rising sense of panic by pro Israel groups that their bullshit doesnt seem to be working anymore.

No one of any position of power has these opinions.

The people in the positions of power you care about give blanket protection to Israel because it serves a useful geopolitical purpose in the Middle East, or because they literally think God is telling them to do so.

At a time when every western government is somewhere between denouncing and calling for the eradication of Hamas, what does it change for tiny socialist groups to do the same before expressing solidarity with the Palestineans soon to face the brunt of retaliatory violence, on top of the conditions they've faced for years?

When the US and its allies prepared to invade Iraq, was it necessary for anti-war activists to preface each speech listing their disagreements with Saddam?

Should anti-police activists make clear their opposition to criminals before criticizing cops?

based on a fictional version of an actual event

At a time when every western government is somewhere between denouncing and calling for the eradication of Hamas, what does it change for tiny socialist groups to do the same before expressing solidarity with the Palestineans soon to face the brunt of retaliatory violence, on top of the conditions they've faced for years?

When the US and its allies prepared to invade Iraq, was it necessary for anti-war activists to preface each speech listing their disagreements with Saddam?

Should anti-police activists make clear their opposition to criminals before criticizing cops?

I would recommend anti police activists to probably not make a poster of an image celebrating the murder of innocent civilians. But what do I know.

I like how some progressives spent years mocking the right for "both sidesing" and using All Lives Matter rhetoric but are doing the same thing rn

The problem with both sidesing wrt ALM is black lives are disproportionately killed by police so the focus on violence against black people by police makes sense not the "all lives"

Israel and Hamas need to be condemned. Israel is engaging in genocide, Hamas slaughtered innocents.

The only innocent "side" is the Palestinian people.

I like how some progressives spent years mocking the right for "both sidesing" and using All Lives Matter rhetoric but are doing the same thing rn

You're too smart to think that applies here. This is like if the Nazis fought the Taliban.

The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

You're too smart to think that applies here.

Hamas is basically the equivalent of Nazis and ISIS having a love child. Read their charters, even the "kinder, gentler" version they put out is basically Nazi policy from the early 1930s. "We don't care if you're Jewish, just go be Jewish somewhere else."

The older version from 1988 was basically "kill them, all of them. Allah has commanded it." It includes as part of the text the hadith:

Meanwhile, the Israeli population is 18% Muslim. It's pretty hard imagine Nazis being fine with 18% of the population being Jewish, so the constant comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany are deliberately dishonest.

Hamas is basically the equivalent of Nazis and ISIS having a love child. Read their charters, even the "kinder, gentler" version they put out is basically Nazi policy from the early 1930s. "We don't care if you're Jewish, just go be Jewish somewhere else."

The older version from 1988 was basically "kill them, all of them. Allah has commanded it." It includes as part of the text the hadith:

Meanwhile, the Israeli population is 18% Muslim. It's pretty hard imagine Nazis being fine with 18% of the population being Jewish, so the constant comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany are deliberately dishonest.

There's an appropriate time to criticize a country for its sins. The day after said country is targeted by a terror attack that indiscriminately massacred more than a thousand men, women, and children isn't it.

Meanwhile, the Israeli population is 18% Muslim. It's pretty hard imagine Nazis being fine with 18% of the population being Jewish, so the constant comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany are deliberately dishonest.

There's an appropriate time to criticize a country for its sins. The day after said country is targeted by a terror attack that indiscriminately massacred more than a thousand men, women, and children isn't it.

What's this?

The last image plainly states "their resistance must not be condemned" They're not denouncing s***. They're celebrating innocent civilians being massacred.

I dont understand.

You can support Palestine and condemn the terrorists. Why arent these groups doing that?

It does sometimes really feel like anti-semitism is a huge motivator.

I don't know....This is completely conjecture so I admit I'm talking off nothing here completely. But honestly if a group from the Ukraine went around attacking Russian families, targeting musical festivals, killing random citizens, executing Russian families and parading them through the streets while desecrating them...even then I feel like people would be like "It doesn't matter what Russia did, this was not ok"

yet with THIS situation, its "Well Israel had it coming" or "Well both sides are bad, we condemn them both"

Why does Israel seem to uniquely get this reaction where people have to jump to condemn them on the day of one of the worst terrorist attacks in their history?

I could be wrong. Maybe they'd always do this. And in any case, I think it's probably not actually antisemitism in many cases, I think it's more likely that people consider hating on israel to be part of their edgy progressive identity. But it's a bad look.

virtually all of these organizations have been long-standing supporters of the palestinian people and have advocated to end the occupation, terrorism, and human rights violations that Israel has been committing in gaza for years.

so not exactly surprising?

Isreal should stop killing innocent people

Hamas is a terrorist group that is killing innocents and should be condemned, as should these sorts of attacks in general.

Palestinians have been oppressed by Israel for decades now and the deep seated anger that many of them feel towards Israel is understandable.

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

Yes. But there is no reason to say the second one after a horrific terrorist attack on Israel. Its ok to JUST say the first one and leave it there. It sounds like defending Hamas to bring up the second one in this context