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NOM
10/10/23 6:27:03 AM
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Zikten
10/10/23 6:31:11 AM
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They both think the whole area is sacred to them and gifted to them by God
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DUKLegend
10/10/23 6:36:05 AM
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tremain07
10/10/23 6:47:19 AM
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They've done horrible awful things to each other over the years to the point that mutual hatred between them will never go away, the conflict won't end until one side is completely eradicated and both of them believe that and will never stop believing it. There are no good guys vs bad guys here just people killing people in a cycle of religion and revenge.

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NOM
10/10/23 7:05:59 AM
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tremain07 posted...
They've done horrible awful things to each other over the years to the point that mutual hatred between them will never go away, the conflict won't end until one side is completely eradicated and both of them believe that and will never stop believing it. There are no good guys vs bad guys here just people killing people in a cycle of religion and revenge.
Sounds like they are both bad guys. Don't the religions they believe in preach peace and not harming your fellow man?

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Avirosb
10/10/23 7:09:15 AM
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NOM posted...
Sounds like they are both bad guys. Don't the religions they believe in preach peace and not harming your fellow man?
This ain't about religion but ethnicity. Religion is just a crutch.

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Ricemills
10/10/23 7:11:25 AM
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NOM posted...
Sounds like they are both bad guys. Don't the religions they believe in preach peace and not harming your fellow man?

You think extremists are not cherrypicking their holy books?

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NittanyLions23
10/10/23 7:13:16 AM
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Zikten posted...
They both think the whole area is sacred to them and gifted to them by God

thats not what caused the violence though.
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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 7:13:23 AM
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Ricemills posted...
You think extremists are not cherrypicking their holy books?

And it's not even limited to extremists. You could probably count the number of Christians in the US (or anywhere else, but let's use the US for now) who actually follow the Bible 100% accurately on one hand. They will always find an excuse to ignore something.

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ZaruenKosai
10/10/23 7:14:54 AM
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The good guys here are the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of this stupid war.

citizens --> civilians

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 7:15:46 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
The good guys here are the innocent citizens caught in the crossfire of this stupid war.


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NOM
10/10/23 7:17:25 AM
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Avirosb posted...
This ain't about religion but ethnicity. Religion is just a crutch.
So they're both racist?

Ricemills posted...
You think extremists are not cherrypicking their holy books?
You got me there. True.

NittanyLions23 posted...
thats not what caused the violence though.
So what did?

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Avirosb
10/10/23 7:18:07 AM
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Zikten posted...
They both think the whole area is sacred to them and gifted to them by God
Well in Israel's case it was gifted to them by Britain and their relationship started off rather rocky.

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Avirosb
10/10/23 7:18:41 AM
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NOM posted...
So they're both racist?

No, bigoted if anything.
Race does not equal ethnicity.

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ShineboxPhil
10/10/23 7:23:38 AM
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IceCreamOnStero
10/10/23 7:37:05 AM
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Israel: Fuck you! *does a war crime*

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does a war crime back*

Israel: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back*

On and on

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 7:39:59 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Israel: Fuck you! *does a war crime*

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does a war crime back*

Israel: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back*

On and on

With the ridiculous power imbalance, I'm surprised Israel hasn't just gone in and extinguished all traces of Hamas and any self-governance the State of Palestine may have. You'd think they could have basically ended this at any time.

Disclaimer: Not saying I'm calling or hoping for that to happen.

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TetsuoS2
10/10/23 7:42:20 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
With the ridiculous power imbalance, I'm surprised Israel hasn't just gone in and extinguished all traces of Hamas and any self-governance the State of Palestine may have. You'd think they could have basically ended this at any time.

Disclaimer: Not saying I'm calling or hoping for that to happen.


You can't be too obvious about eliminating thousands of people nowadays, that's how you get cratered by the rest of the world.

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Spartan_Jedi117
10/10/23 7:55:54 AM
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
Israel: Fuck you! *does a war crime*

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does a war crime back*

Israel: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back

Hamas: No, fuck you! *does another war crime back*

On and on
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization

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Mew
10/10/23 7:59:17 AM
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How are things in the West Bank? It seems like Gaza has been all the focus

Are there no Hamas operating in the West Bank?

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Guide
10/10/23 8:08:06 AM
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Spartan_Jedi117 posted...
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization

What does that invalidate about his statement?

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Avirosb
10/10/23 8:09:00 AM
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Spartan_Jedi117 posted...
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization
Bibi ain't no angel.

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IceCreamOnStero
10/10/23 8:33:44 AM
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Spartan_Jedi117 posted...
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization
1.War crimes targetting a terrorist organisation are still war crimes

2. Several of Israel's war crimes have murdered countless Palestinians who had nothing to do with Hamas.

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DKBananaSlamma
10/10/23 8:47:40 AM
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They should be locked in the rec room for a night and work out their differences. I mean "come on"

https://youtu.be/R0i_Ylc3SFc?t=90

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pnut027
10/10/23 8:51:41 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
You can't be too obvious about eliminating thousands of people nowadays, that's how you get cratered by the rest of the world.
This will never happen to the only Jewish state.

2023 and the actions of Hitler are still screwing us over.

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Foppe
10/10/23 8:53:55 AM
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Spartan_Jedi117 posted...
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization
...how does that justify doing warcrimes against innocent Palestina civilians that are unrelated to Hamas?

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name_unknown
10/10/23 11:02:00 AM
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Been in conflict before 1948.

"The roots of the conflict can be traced to the late 19th century, with the rise of national movements, including Zionism and Arab nationalism."
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Tyranthraxus
10/10/23 11:03:15 AM
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NOM posted...
Sounds like they are both bad guys. Don't the religions they believe in preach peace and not harming your fellow man?
No they don't.

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aarrgus
10/10/23 11:03:20 AM
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Avirosb posted...
This ain't about religion but ethnicity. Religion is just a excuse

Fixed that for you.

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Avirosb
10/10/23 11:10:24 AM
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aarrgus posted...
Fixed that for you.
I thought it obvious enough.

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tankboy
10/10/23 11:42:10 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
You can't be too obvious about eliminating thousands of people nowadays, that's how you get cratered by the rest of the world.

I mean, unless it's in Africa, of course. Or Arab-on-Arab, I suppose.
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10/10/23 12:02:50 PM
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FortuneCookie
10/10/23 12:06:59 PM
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Zikten posted...
They both think the whole area is sacred to them and gifted to them by God

So did the Crusaders. After you lose enough military conflicts, it becomes obvious that God isn't just testing your faith to see if you'll persevere.

Biblically speaking, if God wanted someone to win a battle, He gave them victory the first time. He didn't ask them to thin out their numbers ten times before giving them the win on the eleventh go-round.

But then I've never used religion for propaganda. I haven't had to do damage control.
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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 12:09:09 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
So did the Crusaders. After you lose enough military conflicts, it becomes obvious that God isn't just testing your faith to see if you'll persevere.

Biblically speaking, if God wanted someone to win a battle, He gave them victory the first time. He didn't ask them to thin out their numbers ten times before giving them the win on the eleventh go-round.

But then I've never used religion for propaganda. I haven't had to do damage control.

It's always puzzled me how people can reason "we won because God decided we would."

Because when you eventually lose, it becomes clear God is either an imperfect chess player, or is intentionally fucking with you. In which case why the hell would you follow or worship something that treats you like an object?

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Avirosb
10/10/23 12:12:37 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
It's always puzzled me how people can reason "we won because God decided we would."

"We didn't win but we'll continue praying until we do."


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Prestoff
10/10/23 12:14:28 PM
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https://youtu.be/OHmmjnEdtx8?si=UIx5D86bgvMTJJiQ

But on a serious note, there's just too much history to be undone for any side to just give up. It's an unsolvable problem where the only way for a peace talk to work is if one side gets totally obliterated.

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FlyEaglesFly24
10/10/23 2:14:21 PM
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Mew posted...
How are things in the West Bank? It seems like Gaza has been all the focus

Are there no Hamas operating in the West Bank?

West Bank is mainly a Fatah thing. There was a civil war between the two groups after Israel left Gaza almost twenty years ago. We find Fatah more agreeable than Hamas, and some parts of the West Bank are relatively safe, but not always.


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HHH_is_the_game
10/10/23 2:18:08 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...


With the ridiculous power imbalance, I'm surprised Israel hasn't just gone in and extinguished all traces of Hamas and any self-governance the State of Palestine may have. You'd think they could have basically ended this at any time.

Could it be that Israel is not the genocidal maniacs that people think they are?

Not saying they're angels, they have done very bad things, but guarantee that if the power imbalance went the other way we'd see very different results.

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xlr_big-coop
10/10/23 2:47:54 PM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
The good guys here are the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of this stupid war.

citizens --> civilians

Avirosb posted...
This ain't about religion but ethnicity. Religion is just a crutch.
These. In this case both sides are horrible. Always believed there's no good guys in a war and this is another example of it.

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Kinny100
10/10/23 3:42:11 PM
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cant get along cuz they all want the land
the land is a zero sum game

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Arcanine2009
10/10/23 3:44:58 PM
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Zikten posted...
They both think the whole area is sacred to them and gifted to them by God
I mean, Palestinians got booted out of their homes and have their land stolen for 75 years..
tremain07 posted...
They've done horrible awful things to each other over the years to the point that mutual hatred between them will never go away, the conflict won't end until one side is completely eradicated and both of them believe that and will never stop believing it. There are no good guys vs bad guys here just people killing people in a cycle of religion and revenge.
The Israeli government are awful for the way they have treated Palestinians, and so is Hamas. Hamas was created as a reaction to Israeli government take over, but I can't condone their actions. Especially with what happened over the weekend attacking innocent civilians

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TerraSeeker
10/10/23 7:20:07 PM
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One wants the other's destruction.

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10/10/23 9:03:56 PM
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MarcyWarcy
10/10/23 11:15:24 PM
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because the vastly more powerful and well funded of the pair has been getting told to do that since the 60s, ignoring it, and has still been getting massive checks from other governments for their colonialist policies

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DerWillZurMacht
10/11/23 3:03:32 AM
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Spartan_Jedi117 posted...
Except...Hamas is a terrorist organization

So is Mossad and the IDF.
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