Board 8 > Lying to get a remote job, wish me luck!

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ChaosTonyV4
10/04/23 1:33:46 AM
#51:


What the duck

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ChichiriMuyo
10/04/23 1:46:58 AM
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Let's see... depending on where you live, if they catch you in your lie they could make you pay them resistitution, sue you for fraud, and/or you could face imprisonment. It's a really bad idea and you shouldn't do it. I'm not even saying this as a moral judgement, just don't do it.

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HaRRicH
10/04/23 2:56:55 AM
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Imagine your first year under your belt at this new job you manipulated your way into -- feeling smug and clever now that you've gotten away with it.

And then you slip with one co-worker that you just got home. Maybe it's home from getting the mail, maybe it's home from lunch, maybe it's home from vacation, but you just say it without thinking.

You think to yourself: "Oops. Oh well, at least it wasn't my boss, and at least I didn't say anything weird. Just one person."

That one person talks more than you think, however, and they love talking with the boss at this cushy job you landed. Your little tidbit casually reaches the boss three hours later in that office you're not in, and it's enough to make your boss shit harder than Hank Schrader in Season 4 of Breaking Bad.

The boss checks your records and sees everything you've said about needing this accomodation a year ago. It's all right there in black and white -- PDFs of files you checked and signed off on yourself, alongside the boss's extemporaneous interview notes recognizing your comment about how a question was textbook discrimination.

Your boss double-checks with your co-worker just as normally-sounding as possible about if you really said "just got home." They confirm. The boss sweats about what must be reported now, and that's on top of all the actual work they already have. They don't have time for your long-term scam too.

But it gets done anyway, doesn't it. The report is in for HR to investigate, and now your fantasy you've dreamed of -- one that has ran with the bold assumption your plan actually gets you into a job -- now brings in the legal paperwork you thought you could avoid your whole career.

You said the wrong three words. Now you're the one sweating, remembering all the posts from this very topic warning you this was a bad idea. Your job has your social security number, your references, your contact information, and your future paychecks. If this goes especially poorly for you, your company may seek backpay too. You shit yourself like Randy Marsh in Season 11 of South Park.

Keep the audacity of this situation as a joke and not an attempt. Get an existing remote-work job.

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red13n
10/04/23 3:16:53 AM
#54:


This topic is fucking horrible.

And probably something that shouldn't be allowed to be posted on GFAQs.

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Kenri
10/04/23 3:31:58 AM
#55:


HaRRicH posted...
Imagine your first year under your belt at this new job you manipulated your way into -- feeling smug and clever now that you've gotten away with it.
you're already giving this plan way too much credit

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LightningStrikes
10/04/23 3:54:04 AM
#56:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Oh is Neato SHM

this explains a lot

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ChichiriMuyo
10/04/23 5:10:18 AM
#57:


red13n posted...
This topic is fucking horrible.

And probably something that shouldn't be allowed to be posted on GFAQs.
It absolutely should be allowed, so people can point out how damn bad of an idea it is.

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NFUN
10/04/23 7:59:22 AM
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Cavedweller2000 posted...
If this scheme of yours would actually work, don't you think that a lot more people would either be in their dream jobs and/or filthy rich from suing these companies?

You forget that if this were to go to court, civil or otherwise, of course they're going to get confirmation from your doctor. Who is no doubt going to say "Um no, they are not restricted to home working" after which the entire thing will fall on your head as this is the basis of your legal action

NeatoAnAccount posted...
Well yeah but we're talking about the nonexistent hypothetical world where I am suing them. If I were homebound and I sued them I'd have a slam dunk of a case. Since I'm not homebound, if I sued them they'd have a slam dunk of a case.


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Maniac64
10/04/23 8:31:38 AM
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Don't most applications tend to include a question about if you would need any reasonable accommodations and what they are. Which means you would need to intentionally lie about that in the application to get this far.

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Dels
10/04/23 8:36:27 AM
#61:


Maniac64 posted...
Don't most applications tend to include a question about if you would need any reasonable accommodations and what they are. Which means you would need to intentionally lie about that in the application to get this far.

that was addressed in the first post. it's the first paragraph after the numbered list. he had to lie on the form so they wouldn't discriminate.
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foolm0r0n
10/04/23 8:39:12 AM
#62:


HaRRicH posted...
That one person talks more than you think, however, and they love talking with the boss at this cushy job you landed.
They're dead then. (You use the money from the job to retain a hitman service from the dark web)

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HaRRicH
10/04/23 8:48:53 AM
#63:


Kenri posted...
you're already giving this plan way too much credit

Yeah but I did also say:

HaRRicH posted...
your fantasy you've dreamed of -- one that has ran with the bold assumption your plan actually gets you into a job -- now brings in the legal paperwork you thought you could avoid your whole career.

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Nanis23
10/04/23 9:03:27 AM
#64:


You know, lying about having a disability is bad
But unfortunately in the world we live in, a lot of people do that. and if you dare to question them about it, they will go on the offensive on you, "how dare you question my disability", "it's a private information" etc (Look I was in the army, Israel's IDF where joining the military is mandatory, you have no idea how many people lie through their teeth just to get a better job)

But the thing that gets me is your backup plan of blackmailing them. Like, how much of a shitty person you have to be to lie about a disability AND plan to blackmail a company that rejects your lie?

If it were just "Hi I have a disability I can't leave my home please hire me for remote job" and they would be like "sure no problem we will help you in any way we can" then you are just a scumbag that took advantage of people's goodwill

But that extra step of blackmailing made you reach the "shitty human being" tier, congrats

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10/04/23 10:00:21 AM
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Maniac64
10/04/23 10:44:09 AM
#65:


Dels posted...
that was addressed in the first post. it's the first paragraph after the numbered list. he had to lie on the form so they wouldn't discriminate.
Then he has nothing to threaten them about. He lied on his application, that's grounds for ending his candidacy. Doesn't matter where on the application he lied.

His threat has no teeth. If he did file a complaint they would just counter by sending his application showing he lied and thats all it would take. He can claim its a discriminatory question but legally that has already been decided as fine to ask. No company is going to be scared of that threat.

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NeatoAnAccount
10/04/23 11:01:27 AM
#66:


Maniac64 posted...
Then he has nothing to threaten them about. He lied on his application, that's grounds for ending his candidacy. Doesn't matter where on the application he lied.

His threat has no teeth. If he did file a complaint they would just counter by sending his application showing he lied and thats all it would take. He can claim its a discriminatory question but legally that has already been decided as fine to ask. No company is going to be scared of that threat.

"An employer may not take action against an applicant or employee for answering an unlawful question untruthfully."

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/criminal-record-discrimination-in-the-workplace

"Can you work in the office" is an unlawful question if it's used to discriminate against people with disabilities that preclude them from working in the office. They don't get to end my candidacy because I lied to protect myself from discrimination.

Nanis23 posted...
If it were just "Hi I have a disability I can't leave my home please hire me for remote job" and they would be like "sure no problem we will help you in any way we can" then you are just a scumbag that took advantage of people's goodwill

you are so innocent and naive, it's kind of cute

but also "if you legally wrong me i'm reporting you to the authorities" isn't blackmail. "give my wallet back or i call the cops" "quit discriminating against me or i report you"
HaRRicH posted...
Imagine your first year under your belt at this new job you manipulated your way into -- feeling smug and clever now that you've gotten away with it.

And then you slip with one co-worker that you just got home. Maybe it's home from getting the mail, maybe it's home from lunch, maybe it's home from vacation, but you just say it without thinking.

i mean why do i say this? why am i trying to connect with coworkers on a personal level. i just want a job where it's kind of like i don't have a job

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Maniac64
10/04/23 11:04:48 AM
#67:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
"An employer may not take action against an applicant or employee for answering an unlawful question untruthfully."
It's not unlawful. That's why it's a standard question that has been specifically written to not be discriminatory based on EEOC rules and guidelines.

They didn't ask if you could work in an office. They asked if you had any special requirements so that they could be sure to accommodate you in accordance with EEOC guidance. You are the one assuming it is discriminatory when they have written it to be the opposite.

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MysteriousStan
10/04/23 11:10:43 AM
#68:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Oh is Neato SHM

this explains a lot
I hope you all know that continuing to engage in this topic is an exercise in futility. It will accomplish nothing.
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HaRRicH
10/04/23 11:14:15 AM
#69:


Small talk strikes us all. If you ever entered a meeting early, if you ever waited for someone to enter a meeting who came late, if you ever had a job with "mandatory fun" like work-free meetings, if your performance ever seems different and your boss or teammate asks what's up, if someone ever mentions National Pineapple Day or whatever and it moves you to chime in, if you ever seem too quiet and distant and someone decides to reach out, if someone ever asks how you learned something in the past you're bringing to this job you manipulated...

...if you're planning to dodge small-talk, it's a weak arrogant plan. Time and random off-guard moments will have your blood pressure heightened and your behavior a little weirder every day you work.

Get an existing remote-work job.

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NeatoAnAccount
10/04/23 11:17:20 AM
#70:


Maniac64 posted...


They didn't ask if you could work in an office. They asked if you had any special requirements so that they could be sure to accommodate you in accordance with EOEA guidance. You are the one assuming it is discriminatory when they have written it to be the opposite.

If I say "yes, my requirement is working from home" they are instantly dumpstering my application. My interviewer would probably admit it too. If I just ask "so if i said i had to work from home you wouldn't be interviewing me right" they would say "right" and then they have admitted to it.

Everyone knows this, including the EEOC. The EEOC says on their website (somewhere) that candidates will often wait until after receiving an offer to ask for accommodation because it's difficult to prove discrimination beforehand. You can't penalize a candidate for lying on their application to protect themselves from discrimination.

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Colegreen_c12
10/04/23 11:33:30 AM
#71:


All I know is I can't wait for the follow up topic a year from now talking about your time in prison

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Leonhart4
10/04/23 12:31:39 PM
#73:


He thinks this plan is foolproof so let's just let him prove it

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Kenri
10/04/23 12:31:56 PM
#74:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
If I say "yes, my requirement is working from home" they are instantly dumpstering my application. My interviewer would probably admit it too. If I just ask "so if i said i had to work from home you wouldn't be interviewing me right" they would say "right" and then they have admitted to it.
Correct, because that's not a reasonable accommodation to a job where they (claim to) need you around in-person.

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Cavedweller2000
10/04/23 12:32:03 PM
#75:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
If I say "yes, my requirement is working from home" they are instantly dumpstering my application. My interviewer would probably admit it too. If I just ask "so if i said i had to work from home you wouldn't be interviewing me right" they would say "right" and then they have admitted to it.

Everyone knows this, including the EEOC. The EEOC says on their website (somewhere) that candidates will often wait until after receiving an offer to ask for accommodation because it's difficult to prove discrimination beforehand. You can't penalize a candidate for lying on their application to protect themselves from discrimination.
So if the interviewer asks "Do you have any specific requirements so we can accommodate you?" What would your response be?

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Underleveled
10/04/23 12:57:23 PM
#76:


As someone who has actually had to have a medical-based accommodation at work before, and one that was significantly minor compared to what you're asking for, I can say with certainty that no employer is going to give you such an extreme accommodation without documentation from your doctor that you need such an accommodation in order to perform the job (not that you have a medical condition, but that you need the accommodation). And beyond that it's a lot of paperwork and meetings and chats with HR and your boss... it's a headache and can feel like more trouble than it's worth and I actively tried to avoid it until it became clear that I wouldn't be able to perform certain expectations without it.

Besides the fact that threatening to sue someone in an interview is certainly going to get you disqualified on the basis of they simply don't want to hire someone with an attitude like that, you've already been brazen enough to post your plan in intricate detail on a public forum, which says that even if you do get hired, you're going to continue to brag elsewhere and eventually brag to the wrong person.

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10/04/23 1:01:29 PM
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foolm0r0n
10/04/23 2:52:50 PM
#77:


It's honestly way easier to just lie about being ok with office work. Say you just need 1 month remote and then you'll come in. Then extend it 2-3 more months. Eventually they'll forget about it.

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NeatoAnAccount
10/05/23 4:01:53 PM
#79:


Asking my doctor to write me an accommodation letter, I might be able to do this honestly :D

I applied to like 20 jobs yesterday with the "quick apply" button and already scheduled 4 interviews lol. One of them is even for a position that's supposed to be remote!

Kenri posted...
Correct, because that's not a reasonable accommodation to a job where they (claim to) need you around in-person.

You don't understand what a "reasonable accommodation" is. Working from home is not a "reasonable accommodation" for an auto mechanic or a construction worker. It is a "reasonable accommodation" for someone who does chats and emails, or software engineering, or graphic design, or phone sales, or whatever. An employer doesn't get to deny that accommodation on the basis that everyone else is in the office. They need to explain why that accommodation would cause undue hardship, and for the jobs I'm applying to it simply wouldn't.

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NeatoAnAccount
10/05/23 4:02:58 PM
#80:


Cavedweller2000 posted...
So if the interviewer asks "Do you have any specific requirements so we can accommodate you?" What would your response be?

Yes, I have HIV so I can't go into the office.

"Sorry, we're not offering remote work at this time"

I'm sorry, did you hear me? I have a disability and you're required by the ADA to accommodate it.

I actually basically used this today and it worked lmao

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masterplum
10/05/23 4:21:46 PM
#81:


The good news is anyone dumb enough to go through with this plan is also dumb enough to get fired fast

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Kenri
10/05/23 4:39:32 PM
#82:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
They need to explain why that accommodation would cause undue hardship
right and they'll just make something up, which is what employers do anyway when they don't want to offer remote work as an option

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NeatoAnAccount
10/05/23 5:05:25 PM
#83:


Kenri posted...
right and they'll just make something up, which is what employers do anyway when they don't want to offer remote work as an option

What can they possibly make up lmao the job description is on the internet and all of it can be done remotely

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foolm0r0n
10/06/23 12:05:01 AM
#84:


Their lawyers can explain exactly what can be done

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Cavedweller2000
10/06/23 1:58:32 AM
#85:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
Yes, I have HIV so I can't go into the office.

"Sorry, we're not offering remote work at this time"

I'm sorry, did you hear me? I have a disability and you're required by the ADA to accommodate it.

I actually basically used this today and it worked lmao
I call BS

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NeatoAnAccount
10/06/23 9:13:42 AM
#86:


is it really that hard for you to believe that the interviewer said "sorry we don't offer that as an option" and then finished out the interview anyway after i explained that she was discriminating against me

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masterplum
10/06/23 9:22:41 AM
#87:


It's really hard to believe someone would post this topic if they weren't an attention seeking whore

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jcgamer107
10/06/23 9:26:43 AM
#88:


I wish I could go back in time to stop myself from reading through this topic

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most_games_r_ok
10/06/23 12:16:53 PM
#89:


How has this topic gone beyond the first page and why one earth is this some "genius master plan". One of the easiest ways to land in jail if successful and then found out cause you literally don't care since you're bragging about it on Gfaqs of all things. Clearly, you will slip up and get caught.

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PrivateBiscuit1
10/06/23 12:39:12 PM
#90:


I'm reasonably sure this is all a troll and you guys fell for it.

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Nanis23
10/06/23 8:31:15 PM
#91:


most_games_r_ok posted...
How has this topic gone beyond the first page and why one earth is this some "genius master plan". One of the easiest ways to land in jail if successful and then found out cause you literally don't care since you're bragging about it on Gfaqs of all things. Clearly, you will slip up and get caught.
Why do you think anyone will find this here
This isn't Facebook. It's a dead message board in a dead website and he is using a nickname

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foolm0r0n
10/06/23 8:54:16 PM
#92:


There is a large amount of spiteful energy among b8ers, and precedent for using it

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most_games_r_ok
10/07/23 12:06:51 PM
#93:


Nanis23 posted...
Why do you think anyone will find this here
This isn't Facebook. It's a dead message board in a dead website and he is using a nickname
Nothing to do with anyone finding it here, it's about having the brazen confidence to brag about it at all.

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BlueCrystalTear
10/07/23 3:43:38 PM
#94:


NeatoAnAccount posted...
is it really that hard for you to believe that the interviewer said "sorry we don't offer that as an option" and then finished out the interview anyway after i explained that she was discriminating against me
So you got the job?

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WhiteLens
10/07/23 5:14:24 PM
#95:


Wouldn't it be easier to apply for a genuine remote job in a liberal city and just say you're gay to be a diversity hire?

I have no idea if that works but that sounds better than whatever the hell you came up with to create this topic.

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