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Garabandal
09/18/23 12:43:27 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/5/AAfY4qAAE2c_.jpg

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Doe
09/18/23 12:44:45 AM
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Wonder when this was written, because even conceding everything they say, Smash as a reference fest has easily been surpassed by Fortnite

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Beveren_Rabbit
09/18/23 12:47:26 AM
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Dark Pit
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Dark Samus

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Guide
09/18/23 12:52:11 AM
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I get disliking Smash, as a game, sure. Opinions and such. But there's this sort of weird, specific niche of antagonism towards Smash where it's not just "I don't like how it feels/looks/it doesn't appeal to me/etc", but they try to find some sort of "objective" or philosophical issue with it to make sure people know it's a bad thing.

My guess is they loved Smash, thought they were really good, then the internet hit them with small pond syndrome.

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Compsognathus
09/18/23 12:58:50 AM
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So many words to say "I hate fun and don't understand why others like fun."

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MrMallard
09/18/23 12:59:57 AM
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Smash was probably my favourite gaming event ever. Like I bought it, didn't like it and didn't play much of it - it was my first Smash game - but those fucking reveals were hitting on every level. You'd watch a Direct and wait for the Smash reveal, and outside of the occasional fart like Byleth, it always delivered.

I went back and saw Max Dood's reactions to the Smash 4 reveals and DLC and stuff, because I wasn't as into the directs and stuff like I am now. The trailers aren't very good. Like seeing Mega Man is hype, but they're very short and they don't have much context. Each of the Smash Ultimate reveals felt like their own little movie.

Like the King K.Rool trailer became a meme and they reused it for Banjo because of how well it went over, and that got kind of old - but the part where Donkey Kong and K.Rool are like gunning for each other and they're both like snarling and tearing at the ground to get more speed is fucking incredible. The Castlevania reveal absolutely fucking owned. For some reason, Mario and Luigi were killed by Ridley and Death respectively, like what?

I don't like the game itself, but that stretch of DLC character reveals was fucking awesome - and then they made a second wave of DLC and kept the reveals coming for another year. That span of time was very fun to be a Nintendo fan.
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Garabandal
09/18/23 1:00:22 AM
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Compsognathus posted...
So many words to say "I hate fun and don't understand why others like fun."
Spent the past few minutes reading the user's reviews and yeah that seems to be their entire schtick

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DerWillZurMacht
09/18/23 1:06:26 AM
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lolno, that's Call of Duty.
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Humble_Novice
09/18/23 1:12:16 AM
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Source?

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Dark_Arbron
09/18/23 1:13:10 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
lolno, that's Call of Duty.

Beat me to it.

Though as far as individual games go rather than as a franchise, Dungeon Keeper Mobile and especially Final Fantasy All the Bravest are worse.

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DarthAragorn
09/18/23 1:15:49 AM
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DerWillZurMacht posted...
lolno, that's Call of Duty.
that's not even the worst example as an FPS because

Doe posted...
Wonder when this was written, because even conceding everything they say, Smash as a reference fest has easily been surpassed by Fortnite


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refmon
09/18/23 1:16:41 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
Dark Pit
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pegusus123456
09/18/23 1:18:27 AM
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MrMallard posted...
Smash was probably my favourite gaming event ever. Like I bought it, didn't like it and didn't play much of it - it was my first Smash game - but those fucking reveals were hitting on every level. You'd watch a Direct and wait for the Smash reveal, and outside of the occasional fart like Byleth, it always delivered.
Fucking same. I'll probably never buy it, probably will never play it, but I lapped up every single trailer because they were great.

I still go back and watch a few every now and then.

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Garabandal
09/18/23 1:20:08 AM
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Humble_Novice posted...
Source?
https://backloggd.com/games/super-smash-bros-ultimate/
Sort by likes and you'll find it near the top

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ViewtifulJoe
09/18/23 1:21:29 AM
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It doesn't have anything to say?
Sure it does. If you're new to Nintendo, it's your checklist. You get a taste of a lot of characters and games. You use it to figure out whose games you want to try.
It also says FALCON PUNCH if you press b sometimes.

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viewmaster_pi
09/18/23 1:37:55 AM
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so weird to go in on smash bros of all things for this. how about dead by daylight or mortal kombat and all their licensed paid DLC crossover shit to cash in on nostalgia? did they "recontextualize" any of the characters or any other pseudointellectual big words that don't actually mean anything? and even then, that doesn't hold a candle to the swaths of games that only exist as vessels to hock lootboxes, battle passes, and "premium currencies"

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hereforemnant
09/18/23 1:44:10 AM
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We have to talk about Diablo Immortal & Fortnite before talking about SSB honestly

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Dark_Arbron
09/18/23 1:46:02 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Sure it does. If you're new to Nintendo, it's your checklist. You get a taste of a lot of characters and games.

Including characters for certain games in big demand for an outside-Japan release despite Nintendo's commitment to never doing so...

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ai123
09/18/23 1:48:13 AM
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Peel away the pseudo intellectual bollocks, and all you have is one big whine over vague, undefined terms like 'soul'.

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Dark_Arbron
09/18/23 1:50:05 AM
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ai123 posted...
Peel away the pseudo intellectual bollocks, and all you have is one big whine over vague, undefined terms like 'soul'.

It's a pretentious term, but usually it refers to something that has creative merit behind it rather than being a vapid corporate product made with a checklist.

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BombermanGold
09/18/23 1:54:55 AM
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Seems like the person who wrote that is just looking to troll or they just really hate the Smash franchise for reasons.

"Super Smash Bros. is the biggest emblem of soulless capitalism in gaming"

In my personal view, the article title should have said Madden.... or Call of Duty... or the Guitar Hero/Rock Band franchises (before those died off).

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Karovorak
09/18/23 1:56:06 AM
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Sounds like someone who thinks that all games should be some true artistic and highly sophisticated masterpieces, instead of... well, being fun.
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2r1aqueroso
09/18/23 1:56:51 AM
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This person got Wombo Combo'd and has never been the same.

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
09/18/23 2:01:42 AM
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I mean, let's be super fair here.

Which fighting games, outside of MAYBE MK or to a lesser extent Tekken, really gives a fuck about creating some sort of character growth and narrative out of what is largely seen as a focus on mechanics and balance?

Would the person who wrote this have the same complaint with Mario titles? The narrative exists to propel the mechanical aspects of playing the game, nothing more.

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Dark_Arbron
09/18/23 2:20:07 AM
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Karovorak posted...
Sounds like someone who thinks that all games should be some true artistic and highly sophisticated masterpieces, instead of... well, being fun.

Those two don't have to be intertwined or mutually exclusive. We're talking about games that are neither - just cash delivery vehicles to the publisher's (offshore and tax-dodging) bank accounts.

As I mentioned, Final Fantasy: All the Bravest.

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BakonBitz
09/18/23 2:24:07 AM
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It sounds to me like they're still hurt about some inclusions made like two or three games ago, like Sonic having an unimaginative moveset and Ganondorf being a Captain Falcon clone. Because now Sakurai has treated these characters with respect and didn't make them "vague facsimiles of what they really are." Even going so far as to have some of them play drastically different because that's the kind of game they're in, like Tekken or Minecraft.

His description of Smash Ultimate honestly fits Fortnite way more. All those different characters are literally just skins. They may add new abilities to go with some skins but those abilities conversely can be used by any skin. And you end up seeing some characters you'd never thought would hit the griddy.

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FL81
09/18/23 2:35:57 AM
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Garabandal posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/5/AAfY4qAAE2c_.jpg
the worst part about this rant, is that the author was probably entirely serious when writing this

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Karovorak
09/18/23 3:56:08 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Those two don't have to be intertwined or mutually exclusive. We're talking about games that are neither - just cash delivery vehicles to the publisher's (offshore and tax-dodging) bank accounts.


Yeah, we are talking about "games being neither". As in, being neither truly fun nor having some naritive.

But the comment shared by TC doesn't seem to care about the fun part at all.

Hell, the comment even says that Smash has "no soul", "no ambition", "no identity" but is a "masturbatory experience".

Only thing that is missing is some insult to the audience itself.

Oh, and ofc, something to say about the gameplay at all.
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Kradek
09/18/23 4:14:32 AM
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TBH I haven't truly enjoyed playing Smash since the 64, but still wtf at this person lol.

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rexcrk
09/18/23 5:18:01 AM
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Garabandal posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/5/AAfY4qAAE2c_.jpg


I truly feel bad for people like this who lead such a miserable life. Even if its an act, youd still have to have a not great life if you need to resort to this in order to get attention.


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MrMallard
09/18/23 5:42:48 AM
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Now I'm going through old Max Dood Smash reactions, lol.

Not gonna lie, the Smash 4 Cloud reveal is a really special moment:

https://youtu.be/CK5gdf5cMPM?si=58sZGZlL2xeMald7

Like he starts off by saying "they probably couldn't use him (Cloud, in a 3DS game) because he's never been in a Nintendo game", and then the direct immediately drops the Cloud reveal.
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DuuuDe14
09/18/23 5:59:51 AM
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Max's love for FF7 will never not be infectious. I had the same reaction when Snake got in.

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Karovorak
09/18/23 6:05:21 AM
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MrMallard posted...
Now I'm going through old Max Dood Smash reactions, lol.

Not gonna lie, the Smash 4 Cloud reveal is a really special moment:

Like he starts off by saying "they probably couldn't use him (Cloud, in a 3DS game) because he's never been in a Nintendo game", and then the direct immediately drops the Cloud reveal.

Max also has two nice videos were he rates all the smash trailers since the Smash 4 era. (one for Smash 4, one for Smash Ultimate).

It's just fun to see people like him being genuinly happy, but going beyond crazy.
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09/18/23 7:01:16 AM
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Garabandal
09/18/23 7:55:00 AM
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Other takes from this reviewer:

-Metroid Prime is bad and it's just Super Metroid in 3D
-The Shantae games are bad and they're only liked because of their aesthetics
-Pizza Tower is a 0.5/5 game
-Cuphead is racist and enjoying early animation is wrong even if you acknowledge its problematic history

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/18/23 7:56:49 AM
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Garabandal posted...
-Metroid Prime is bad and it's just Super Metroid in 3D
lol

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Garabandal
09/18/23 7:58:09 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
lol
The review in question:
https://backloggd.com/u/Archagent/review/671255/

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RchHomieQuanChi
09/18/23 7:58:53 AM
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Guide posted...
I get disliking Smash, as a game, sure. Opinions and such. But there's this sort of weird, specific niche of antagonism towards Smash where it's not just "I don't like how it feels/looks/it doesn't appeal to me/etc", but they try to find some sort of "objective" or philosophical issue with it to make sure people know it's a bad thing.

My guess is they loved Smash, thought they were really good, then the internet hit them with small pond syndrome.

This is probably indicative of most media "criticism" online in general. There's no such thing as "this isn't for me" anymore. Everything has to be an attempt to objectively "prove" why something is bad.

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Lobinde
09/18/23 8:00:44 AM
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least pretentious backloggd review.

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AceMos
09/18/23 8:07:13 AM
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that reads like it was written by a AI

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EmilyTheCEman
09/18/23 8:10:20 AM
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When youve been waiting years for Crash Bandicoot and you finally snap.

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Avirosb
09/18/23 8:14:12 AM
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Speaking of 'masturbatory wank', don't much care for these "games are art" types of people.

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Garabandal
09/18/23 8:19:05 AM
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Lobinde posted...
least pretentious backloggd review.
Lmao spot on. It's a great website as far as user interface but holy fuck I hate the community

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Garabandal
09/18/23 9:58:42 AM
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Garabandal posted...
Other takes from this reviewer:

-Metroid Prime is bad and it's just Super Metroid in 3D
-The Shantae games are bad and they're only liked because of their aesthetics
-Pizza Tower is a 0.5/5 game
-Cuphead is racist and enjoying early animation is wrong even if you acknowledge its problematic history
Also Super Street Fighter II Turbo is a 2/5 game

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Irony
09/18/23 9:59:19 AM
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Live as a service is

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CableZL
09/18/23 10:03:10 AM
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I loved Smash Bros. Ultimate, but I was pretty much done with it after finishing the story mode and unlocking all of the free characters. I didn't want to pay for DLC characters at all.

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Garabandal
09/18/23 10:33:30 AM
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CableZL posted...
I loved Smash Bros. Ultimate, but I was pretty much done with it after finishing the story mode and unlocking all of the free characters. I didn't want to pay for DLC characters at all.
That's fair.

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Garabandal
09/18/23 1:33:27 PM
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Garabandal posted...
Other takes from this reviewer:

-Metroid Prime is bad and it's just Super Metroid in 3D
-The Shantae games are bad and they're only liked because of their aesthetics
-Pizza Tower is a 0.5/5 game
-Cuphead is racist and enjoying early animation is wrong even if you acknowledge its problematic history
Oh also Cult of the Lamb is morally reprehensible because you play a cult leader and cults are a thing that exists in real life

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