Current Events > Black Conservatives and White Liberals (45 minutes)

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BunkerBoy posted...

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Being a black Conservative can work just fine if you're rich and a selfish asshole. Just ask Kanye West

Nirvanas_Nox posted...

Why? There was almost no context for it and I have better things to do then watch a 45 minute video.

Then why post anything?

Why go out of your way to post ignorant shit just because you dont want to watch a video?

I dont understand the stance of acting too busy to watch a video while simultaneously acting condescending about the ideals people in the video express.

Black conservatives are just voting against their best interests

Huh? Do yall really think like this lmao?

Destiny in the video made a sharp point about how conservatives at least make you feel like you can accomplish something while liberals are too busy saying the world is against you.

Yall are just like Alec. No emotional discernment. Aliya and Xavier were two reasonable and logical conservatives in the video. Renee, granted, said she was conservative for economic reasons.

tl;dr

If you dont want to watch the video, dont give your ignorant opinion. Please.

Also, being conservative is broad. Aliya, for example, did not support Trump despite claiming to be conservative.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Destiny in the video made a sharp point about how conservatives at least make you feel like you can accomplish something

Accomplish what?

CyricZ posted...

Accomplish what?

They're better at selling to their base something they want or something they're working towards even if anything they pass policy wise just hurts Americans more than anything.

The Democrats are utter dog shit at campaigning & revving people up to get excited to vote for them since Obama, feels like they just accepted their position as partially controlled opposition

I feel that's not answering my question.

CyricZ posted...

I feel that's not answering my question.

Then idk what else he was saying, the keywords were "feel like you can accomplish something."

I mean yeah I get the idea that conservatives peddle simple solutions and that sounds attractive.

But then you ask yourself, what are you actually accomplishing?

What have conservatives in America accomplished in the last 40 years apart from repealing Roe?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Black conservatives are just voting against their best interests

Huh? Do yall really think like this lmao?

Absolutely. Well, maybe as individuals they are in a privileged position where it may claim to benefit their selfish interests. But conservatism is against pretty much everyone's best interests. Them having stupid opinions while being a minority doesn't make the opinions less stupid.

Wandering__Hero posted...

Being a black Conservative can work just fine if you're rich and a selfish asshole. Just ask Kanye West

Kanye West needs legit psychiatric care. Being shielded from the consequences of his actions (ie, being rich) is genuinely bad for his health, conservative or no (though the fact that his declining mental stability is resulting in him becoming a conservative is, you know, auspicious).

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Then why post anything?

Why go out of your way to post ignorant shit just because you dont want to watch a video?

I dont understand the stance of acting too busy to watch a video while simultaneously acting condescending about the ideals people in the video express.

Black conservatives are just voting against their best interests

Huh? Do yall really think like this lmao?

Destiny in the video made a sharp point about how conservatives at least make you feel like you can accomplish something while liberals are too busy saying the world is against you.

Yall are just like Alec. No emotional discernment. Aliya and Xavier were two reasonable and logical conservatives in the video. Renee, granted, said she was conservative for economic reasons.

tl;dr

If you dont want to watch the video, dont give your ignorant opinion. Please.

Also, being conservative is broad. Aliya, for example, did not support Trump despite claiming to be conservative.

If I had a nickel for every good thread where someone posted a 30 minute video with no explanation or context, I'd have zero nickels because that's never happened

Wandering__Hero posted...

If I had a nickel for every good thread where someone posted a 30 minute video with no explanation or context, I'd have zero nickels because that's never happened

You sure seem invested having not seen it.

CyricZ posted...

Accomplish what?

Being successful or happy. Be it going to school, getting a good career, whatever. Conservatives, even if its not completely true, wont say You are at a disadvantage by being a minority.

Conservatives say if you apply yourself and work hard, you can be successful

That message is immensely more palatable to to individuals who dont feel at a disadvantage.

Xavier, one of the conservatives in the video, stated that he worked hard to get into an esteemed college. And one of his peers claimed Xavier could have put a smiley face on his application and be accepted because he was black. This made Xavier begin to doubt if he actually got into the school on his own merits versus affirmative action. This type of problem arises a lot when it comes to liberal talking points.

The video touches on how its a socioeconomic disparity more than a racial one in current day. Obviously racial injustice is directly linked to the disparity, but its a subject matter that if not treated with nuance, youll get people like Xavier who start to feel like they arent being rewarded for the effort and work they put in to life. No one likes feeling babied.

As one example linking to the video.

And I have to disclaim, Im not saying conservatives actually implement policies that support their claims. But are much better at selling the idea.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

And I have to disclaim, Im not saying conservatives actually implement policies that support their claims. But are much better at selling the idea.

If conservatives are tricking people into thinking something that isn't true while their actual policies cause the opposite, that is just further proof that conservative voters are voting against their interests. And note that I said conservative voters, not black conservative voters, everyone needs to stop letting this be framed as whether black people specifically are harming themselves by being conservatives. That is pushing a false narrative that white conservatives are behaving rationally and downplaying the many valid reasons for saying that being conservative is bad.

BunkerBoy posted...

Is there these days?

Nope

dude trolling you

Makeveli_lives posted...

Thanks for actually giving it a shot.

I saw the majority of it last morning and before I saw this topic. Chandler and Alec (mostly Alec) were annoying. I watch videos Jubilee. Spectrum and Middle Ground are my favorites.

Toonstrack posted...

Cuz young white libs know the best interests of the African American community, why don't they all just listen to them right?

I didn't say that but continue with your strawman.

KI_Simpson posted...

If conservatives are tricking people into thinking something that isn't true while their actual policies cause the opposite, that is just further proof that conservative voters are voting against their interests. And note that I said conservative voters, not black conservative voters, everyone needs to stop letting this be framed as whether black people specifically are harming themselves by being conservatives. That is pushing a false narrative that white conservatives are behaving rationally and downplaying the many valid reasons for saying that being conservative is bad.

This I can get behind.

Toonstrack posted...

This sites user base? Yea sometimes.

You got white kids literally saying "we know the best interests of black people" in this thread lmfao

The most racist people I've ever seen are white liberals.

runewalshPSiv posted...

The most racist people I've ever seen are white liberals.

That just tells me you haven't seen a lot of people.

Toonstrack posted...

On this website it's even more skewed. MLK himself would be called a conservative on this site bc he was an evangelical.

MLK Jr. was literally a Christian socialist. That's the ideology he identified under that you right wingers try very hard to wipe from him and claim him as a "conservative". He explicitly rejected capitalism in no uncertain terms.

runewalshPSiv posted...

The most racist people I've ever seen are white liberals.

I'm sure that's a sincere assessment and not a transparent attempt to shield racist conservatives.

video is pretty much what you expect. The conservative's here are the same delusional folks you've heard over and over. Liberals are entitled, democrats are the real racist, Trump is good and made the economy good, America is great. The liberals are a mix of, not really liberal, good counter points and s***posting.

runewalshPSiv posted...

The most racist people I've ever seen are white liberals.

Indeed, generally conservatives and other right wingers.

Destiny is a liberal in the same way RFK Jr is a Democrat.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

MLK Jr. was literally a Christian socialist. That's the ideology he identified under that you right wingers try very hard to wipe from him and claim him as a "conservative". He explicitly rejected capitalism in no uncertain terms.

I never claimed he was a conservative, nor am I a right winger.

I said according to folks like you, if MLJ posted here today, he'd be considered a conservative.

Thats not an indictment on MLK. Thats an indictment on you.

This topic got a lot of responses. Didnt expect it to.

Makeveli_lives posted...

This topic got a lot of responses. Didnt expect it to.

doubt.

Toonstrack posted...

I said according to folks like you, if MLJ posted here today, he'd be considered a conservative.

A lot of people on the left get called "MAGA" or Russian trolls or some nonsense because they hate Biden, so like, you're right but I'm not quite sure you understand why.

Eww Jubilee is one of the most trash channels.

So, clickbait?

BombermanGold posted...

So, clickbait?

I can't think of something less designed to make me want to click it than a 45 minute YouTube politics video.

Where do you people find the time?

Makeveli_lives posted...

This topic got a lot of responses. Didnt expect it to.

Lmao don't lie.

Murphiroth posted...

Lmao don't lie.

No seriously when I make these topics they tend to die within 30 minutes due to people not wanting to watch longer videos on youtube, especially political ones lol.

Surprise. Black people can be just as brainwashed and dumb as white people.

This does expose the "white savior" vibes a lot of white liberals give.

hockeybub89 posted...

Imagine being a black conservative lmao

Imagine thinking like this and not being racist

Me, a black leftist, watching white conservatives argue with white liberals about how it's racist to call black conservatives stupid for voting against their best interests while ignoring all of the black folk in this thread who actually agree.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Me, a black leftist, watching white conservatives argue with white liberals about how it's racist to call black conservatives stupid for voting against their best interests while ignoring all of the black folk in this thread who actually agree.

You act like people have their race next to their username.

So all the black folk isnt possible to identify. Because Im black and I do think its racist to specifically say black conservatives are dumb for voting against their interests.

Because a rich black person will benefit from conservatives more than liberals. So no, a black conservative will not by default be voting against their interests.

This is Joe If you dont vote for me you aint black Biden levels of silly.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Because Im black and I do think its racist to specifically say black conservatives are dumb for voting against their interests.

Except they are. Because on one hand, you have black conservatives who aren't rich shilling for the rich, and on the other hand you have black folks WHO are rich and think their wealth will override their blackness when shit hits the fan.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Except they are. Because on one hand, you have black conservatives who aren't rich shilling for the rich, and on the other hand you have black folks WHO are rich and think their wealth will override their blackness when shit hits the fan.

Define shit hits the fan.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Except they are. Because on one hand, you have black conservatives who aren't rich shilling for the rich, and on the other hand you have black folks WHO are rich and think their wealth will override their blackness when shit hits the fan.

Exactly. There's been plenty of instances that show even being rich doesn't protect a black person from systemic racism/practices that conservatives (Republicans) promote.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Define shit hits the fan.

When your white audience decides to turn against you for speaking out against racism
When you have to deal with the cops
When the racist ass Karen at Wal-Mart accuses you of stealing because of your skin color
When Republican politicians vote to eliminate black history from schools
When you get denied on an application for a home because they "don't want to bring the property values down"

Just to name a few examples

Yeah. I'd say a wealthy black person voting Republican is voting mostly against their interests but I'd be assuming that they care about equality and systemic racism. A lot of people just do not care about anything but profits.

People are complex, despite their skin color. There is no point of trying to generalize.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Except they are. Because on one hand, you have black conservatives who aren't rich shilling for the rich, and on the other hand you have black folks WHO are rich and think their wealth will override their blackness when shit hits the fan.

And then we have the 23 year old white guys telling millions of black people you got it all figured out right?

Youd have more of a point if there sss another competent option but demand arent really much better at solving problems than conservatives are at creating them.

The other problem is you guys view this like a team game, where if your team wins we all win. For black Americans it doesn't work that way.

Most people just want to have a stable home, food and education for them and theirs. They want to be able to have a kid that will also have those things. All the other stuff is just noise especially when as a black American you gotta deal with BS every other day.

Toonstrack posted...

And then we have the 23 year old white guys telling millions of black people you got it all figured out right?

Youd have more of a point if there sss another competent option but demand arent really much better at solving problems than conservatives are at creating them.

The other problem is you guys view this like a team game, where if your team wins we all win. For black Americans it doesn't work that way.

Most people just want to have a stable home, food and education for them and theirs. They want to be able to have a kid that will also have those things. All the other stuff is just noise especially when as a black American you gotta deal with BS every other day.

Dude...what the fuck are you talking about? I am black and I'm telling you that black conservatives are fucking morons.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

When your white audience decides to turn against you for speaking out against racism
When you have to deal with the cops
When the racist ass Karen at Wal-Mart accuses you of stealing because of your skin color
When Republican politicians vote to eliminate black history from schools
When you get denied on an application for a home because they "don't want to bring the property values down"

Just to name a few examples

How the fuck does any of that change by being liberal? The arts is pretty liberal and I hear of plenty of white gatekeeping and subtle racism.

You think liberals arent racist? Dont think negative stereotypes on black people?

The question isnt does being conservative make racism go away. The question is do liberals make my life easier or conservatives.

Were gonna deal with shit either way. For a lot of black people, they care about what affects them.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

How the fuck does any of that change by being liberal? The arts is pretty liberal and I hear of plenty of white gatekeeping and subtle racism.

1) "Conservative" and "liberal" are not your only options
2) Conservatives are the ones who perpetuate these ideas and create laws that allow this to happen.

And nice whataboutism, I don't give a fuck about some 19 year old liberal arts student being accidentally racist and patronizing, I care about systemic racism that actually affects people's lives.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Were gonna deal with shit either way. For a lot of black people, they care about what affects them.

We deal with that shit because we have people in power who create these conditions. You cannot be this fucking clueless, "black man".