Poll of the Day > What makes manga so appealing to Americans?

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NightMareBunny 08/25/23 4:17:30 PM #1:	discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975660684] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trivialbeing 08/25/23 4:24:12 PM #2:	as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment. <cite>trivialbeing posted [p:975660823] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/25/23 4:26:35 PM #3:	Just depends on what people like at the time. A while ago, manga wasnt as well received as it is these days But manga, and other choice things, as more popular these days --- Currently Playing - Nobody saves the World (Switch Edition) Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm the LinkPizza you'll see around <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:975660883] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Just depends on what people like at the time. A while ago, manga wasnt as well received as it is these days But manga, and other choice things, as more popular these days </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/25/23 4:37:52 PM #4:	trivialbeing posted... as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment. theres This assumption that no comics exists outside Marvel/dc so If someone thinks those suck then theyll think all American comics suck because they think thats all the comics published in America --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975661144] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>trivialbeing posted... </cite><quote>as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.</quote>theres This assumption that no comics exists outside Marvel/dc so If someone thinks those suck then theyll think all American comics suck because they think thats all the comics published in America </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/25/23 4:42:24 PM #5:	It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:975661219] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/25/23 4:46:40 PM #6:	Metalsonic66 posted... It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them. Sadly people online would prefer to be angry than happy. Negativity YouTube videos on comics get more attention than positivity ones --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975661305] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite><quote>It's true that the best comics right now are from outside the Big Two</quote>Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them. Sadly people online would prefer to be angry than happy. Negativity YouTube videos on comics get more attention than positivity ones </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 08/25/23 5:12:18 PM #7:	I like light novels and anime, and sometimes they become manga. I couldn't care less about associated media for comics outside of like Marvel vs. Capcom. --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:975661815] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I like light novels and anime, and sometimes they become manga. I couldn't care less about associated media for comics outside of like Marvel vs. Capcom. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slacker03150 08/25/23 5:47:37 PM #8:	I love comics as a medium. I hate the DC and marvel comic universes. I hate the 80 year history, I hate the frequent retcons, I hate the lack of growth. Off the top of my head some comics I have really enjoyed. Lou! Courtney crumrin Polly and the pirates I hate fairyland Saga Love and capes Billy the cat Marry me Locke and key Chew Chicacabra W.I.T.C.H. Bone Bayou --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 <cite>slacker03150 posted [p:975662489] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I love comics as a medium. I hate the DC and marvel comic universes. I hate the 80 year history, I hate the frequent retcons, I hate the lack of growth. Off the top of my head some comics I have really enjoyed. Lou!Courtney crumrinPolly and the piratesI hate fairylandSagaLove and capesBilly the catMarry meLocke and keyChewChicacabraW.I.T.C.H.BoneBayou </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 08/25/23 5:57:55 PM #9:	Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:975662677] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 08/25/23 6:21:55 PM #10:	trivialbeing posted... as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment. Pretty much that. Even some of the independent labels are declining (IDW coughcough). Personally I never liked Manga (always felt like it was ripping off French Bande dessine comics), but there is enough older stuff and more obscure independent stuff that I still find stuff to read. --- My bookshelf: https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/152760030 Comics: https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/dikitain <cite>Dikitain posted [p:975663055] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>trivialbeing posted... </cite><quote>as I understand it, American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.</quote>Pretty much that. Even some of the independent labels are declining (IDW coughcough). Personally I never liked Manga (always felt like it was ripping off French Bande dessine comics), but there is enough older stuff and more obscure independent stuff that I still find stuff to read. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 08/25/23 6:33:56 PM #11:	because it's good --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:975663264] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>because it's good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ConfusedTorchic 08/25/23 7:30:08 PM #12:	because the people who read comics and graphic novels are the kind of terminally online person who stays to just one specific place on the internet, much like we do here weirdly enough it's usually bodybuilding forums in my anecdotal experience while the terminally online who read manga are typically all over the place because they're fuckin freaks --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc <cite>ConfusedTorchic posted [p:975664290] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>because the people who read comics and graphic novels are the kind of terminally online person who stays to just one specific place on the internet, much like we do hereweirdly enough it's usually bodybuilding forums in my anecdotal experiencewhile the terminally online who read manga are typically all over the place because they're fuckin freaks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/25/23 7:59:39 PM #13:	NightMareBunny posted... Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them. The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually. 2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:975664897] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote><cite>NightMareBunny posted...</cite><quote>Theres a lot of comics released by marvel/dc though Its hard to say all of those suck some do but not all of them.</quote>The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually.2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 08/25/23 8:13:15 PM #14:	Manga tells stories I can relate to. Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike. Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero. --- Software Architect / Code Janitor / Professional Sheep Herder <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:975665181] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Manga tells stories I can relate to.Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike.Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JOExHIGASHI 08/25/23 8:22:45 PM #15:	Modern comics from the big 2 are convoluted for the sake of selling more comics People don't know where to start. They think you have to start at Batman 1. There are so many titles for batman. Reading order is confusing --- In the long run we are all dead <cite>JOExHIGASHI posted [p:975665308] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Modern comics from the big 2 are convoluted for the sake of selling more comicsPeople don't know where to start. They think you have to start at Batman 1. There are so many titles for batman. Reading order is confusing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelIWithoutSin 08/25/23 8:24:30 PM #16:	Sarcasthma posted... Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff. Why do people like things I don't like!? --- And when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer. -Hans Gruber <cite>HelIWithoutSin posted [p:975665340] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite><quote>Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff.</quote>Why do people like things I don't like!? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/25/23 9:40:14 PM #17:	Judgmenl posted... Manga tells stories I can relate to. Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike. Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero. American comic books are more than superheroes just look at image comics. They publish plenty that isnt superhero related --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975666674] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite><quote>Manga tells stories I can relate to.Comic books are about super heroes - something I can't at all relate to and greatly dislike.Comic books have nothing like, 3-gatsu no Lion, Shimeji Simulation, or My Home Hero.</quote>American comic books are more than superheroes just look at image comics. They publish plenty that isnt superhero related </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/25/23 9:46:17 PM #18:	ParanoidObsessive posted... The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually. 2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about. i read plenty of comics through the marvel unlimited app and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015 --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975666786] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>The vast majority of them do. And because of how badly both companies have sucked for more than a decade now, it's hard to ever have enough faith to ever get invested in anything they do now because there's always the sneaking suspicion that even the good stuff will be ruined eventually.2011 was pretty much the death knell for both Marvel and DC in terms of the last time either of them put out anything worth caring about.</quote>i read plenty of comics through the marvel unlimited app and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_Abibde 08/25/23 9:53:53 PM #19:	There is no Manga Cinematic Universe to kill that medium dead. --- -- I Abibde / Samuraiter Laughing at Game FAQs since 2002. <cite>I_Abibde posted [p:975666924] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>There is no Manga Cinematic Universe to kill that medium dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/25/23 9:56:17 PM #20:	I_Abibde posted... There is no Manga Cinematic Universe to kill that medium dead. why do people keep forgetting Marvel/DC are IP farms. Its what they doother comic book publishers are different but they exist to promote outside products such as films tv shows toilet paper and toys. Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975666967] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I_Abibde posted... </cite><quote>There is no Manga Cinematic Universe to kill that medium dead.</quote> why do people keep forgetting Marvel/DC are IP farms. Its what they doother comic book publishers are different but they exist to promote outside products such as films tv shows toilet paper and toys. Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevilSummoner 08/25/23 10:09:44 PM #21:	Sarcasthma posted... Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff. yeah this is weird --- FLCL <cite>DevilSummoner posted [p:975667212] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite><quote>Another classic NMB topic where he gets overly emotional about juvenile stuff.</quote>yeah this is weird </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 08/25/23 11:07:20 PM #22:	NightMareBunny posted... Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop quite a lot of manga (and ESPECIALLY anime- doubly especially isekai) is just made to sell the light novels these days, actually. they aren't as egregious or aggressive about it as marvel/DC are with merch, but there's definitely been a trend towards lax adaptations in the past decade or two because the goal is to be an accessory to the original as much as I love isekai, it's polluting the waters right now big time --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:975668187] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>NightMareBunny posted... </cite><quote>Most manga is not created just to sell underwear or soda pop</quote>quite a lot of manga (and ESPECIALLY anime- doubly especially isekai) is just made to sell the light novels these days, actually. they aren't as egregious or aggressive about it as marvel/DC are with merch, but there's definitely been a trend towards lax adaptations in the past decade or two because the goal is to be an accessory to the originalas much as I love isekai, it's polluting the waters right now big time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 08/26/23 9:22:15 AM #23:	I love the term "mangacels" from Twitter, it's so vile --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:975672972] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I love the term "mangacels" from Twitter, it's so vile </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 08/26/23 10:46:21 AM #24:	I read Uzumaki by Junnji Ito, Buddha by Tezuka, and I read Dragon Ball up to the Namek saga. That's the entire extent of my manga reading. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:975673938] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I read Uzumaki by Junnji Ito, Buddha by Tezuka, and I read Dragon Ball up to the Namek saga. That's the entire extent of my manga reading. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/26/23 11:14:34 AM #25:	NightMareBunny posted... and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015 It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:975674286] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote><cite>NightMareBunny posted...</cite><quote>and Ive read comics after 2011 that arent dogshit such as black cat or Carnage 2015</quote>It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/26/23 11:48:07 AM #26:	I still buy a lot of the Spider books. Amazing has been going to weird places lately but the recent crossovers and Spider-Man-adjacent books have been pretty cool. Of course, for me, collecting is the biggest part of the appeal --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:975674704] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I still buy a lot of the Spider books. Amazing has been going to weird places lately but the recent crossovers and Spider-Man-adjacent books have been pretty cool.Of course, for me, collecting is the biggest part of the appeal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMareBunny 08/26/23 2:02:05 PM #27:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things. Yeah no the entire output by marvel/dc isnt bad --- Booping In The Scoop <cite>NightMareBunny posted [p:975676920] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite><quote>It's entirely possible for people with low standards to enjoy bad things.</quote>Yeah no the entire output by marvel/dc isnt bad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/26/23 2:43:25 PM #28:	I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb" --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:975677569] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 08/26/23 3:35:22 PM #29:	Muscles posted... I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb" Even the man in the mirror?? --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:975678335] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite><quote>I'm not sure, when I see someone into manga/anime/whatever I just think to myself "fucking weeb"</quote>Even the man in the mirror?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/26/23 4:57:07 PM #30:	AltOmega2 posted... Even the man in the mirror?? I haven't heard of it Tbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:975679543] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>AltOmega2 posted... </cite><quote>Even the man in the mirror??</quote>I haven't heard of itTbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AltOmega2 08/26/23 5:10:07 PM #31:	Muscles posted... I haven't heard of it Tbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality The man in the mirror is ~~you!~~ --- yeah, I'm thinking I'm back <cite>AltOmega2 posted [p:975679738] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite><quote>I haven't heard of itTbf I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, just when they make it their whole personality</quote>The man in the mirror is you! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 08/26/23 7:12:46 PM #32:	AltOmega2 posted... The man in the mirror is ~~you!~~ Fucking got 'em --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:975681866] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>AltOmega2 posted... </cite><quote>The man in the mirror is you!</quote>Fucking got 'em </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevilSummoner 08/26/23 7:15:40 PM #33:	lmao --- FLCL <cite>DevilSummoner posted [p:975681923] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 08/26/23 10:54:13 PM #34:	trivialbeing posted... American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:975685547] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>trivialbeing posted... </cite><quote>American comics are kinda pee pee poo poo at the moment.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Count_Drachma 08/27/23 2:26:00 AM #35:	NightMareBunny posted... discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online Oh. THAT context makes more sense. Two reasons: First, anime has helped to establish and popularize manga in the US, in no small part because manga tends to get adapted into anime an almost 1:1 basis whereas comics are often heavily reimagined when they get shows or movies. And the discrepancy between tv/film and comics kinda limits the cross-over appeal. It's not 100% either side's fault, other than the broader issue of things running forever and continuity changes being inevitable (although a lot of continuity changes are inherently problematic, like crippling Barbara Gordon, which was edgy in comics and -- in today's climate -- would lead to cancellation attempts). Secondly, American comics suck right now. Like they're legitimately terrible. Let me preface that a bit further -- Marvel and DC, the two companies with the broadest reach and who largely dominate the market, suck. And because the US's comic industry isn't as varied or robust as Japan's (where it's not just two companies basically running everything), that kinda kills the industry. The other issue is Marvel and DC have more or less cultivated a narrow lane by leaning into superhero stuff. And I also think it might be more expensive to produce comics in the US than Japan, partly due to expectations (since the US tends to favor full-color everything) and also labor costs. There are other supporting cultural reasons, too, that helped manga offer a larger variety of content. And because the number of manga is drastically higher than the number of US comics, there are inevitably going to be more great titles (along with more bad ones, but those fall by the wayside) --- Everybody's got a price / Everybody's got to pay / Because the Million Drachma Man / Always gets his way. AhahahahMMH <cite>Count_Drachma posted [p:975688132] in What makes... [t:80546528]...</cite> <quote>NightMareBunny posted... </cite><quote>discussing American comic books leaves me in a ghost town but mention the latest chainsaw man chapter and suddenly people are coming out of the woodworks to talk about it online</quote>Oh. THAT context makes more sense. Two reasons: First, anime has helped to establish and popularize manga in the US, in no small part because manga tends to get adapted into anime an almost 1:1 basis whereas comics are often heavily reimagined when they get shows or movies.And the discrepancy between tv/film and comics kinda limits the cross-over appeal. It's not 100% either side's fault, other than the broader issue of things running forever and continuity changes being inevitable (although a lot of continuity changes are inherently problematic, like crippling Barbara Gordon, which was edgy in comics and -- in today's climate -- would lead to cancellation attempts). Secondly, American comics suck right now. Like they're legitimately terrible. Let me preface that a bit further -- Marvel and DC, the two companies with the broadest reach and who largely dominate the market, suck. And because the US's comic industry isn't as varied or robust as Japan's (where it's not just two companies basically running everything), that kinda kills the industry.The other issue is Marvel and DC have more or less cultivated a narrow lane by leaning into superhero stuff. And I also think it might be more expensive to produce comics in the US than Japan, partly due to expectations (since the US tends to favor full-color everything) and also labor costs. There are other supporting cultural reasons, too, that helped manga offer a larger variety of content. And because the number of manga is drastically higher than the number of US comics, there are inevitably going to be more great titles (along with more bad ones, but those fall by the wayside) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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