Current Events > Even if it's wrong the way we shut down "anti-vax" rhetoric is scary

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Should we? Or should we have studies that answer those questions with facts instead of feeling?

Yes, but this is a pretty new technology

I think it is a little ignorant to just assume nothing could ever go wrong....

Didn't read lol

Er....I dunno where you got those last things from, it has nothing to do with this thread.

"New medicine is bad and scary and I don't understand it. Instead I'm going to take horse dewormer and die from the disease anyways."

> many, many people die from a virus
> a vaccine comes out
> people vehemently oppose the vaccine and spread misinformation

> it's wrong of us to shun people who actively get other people killed

"But if you just indulge in my paranoid fantasy for just a minute, don't you think it's possible a large pharmaceutical company could have killed millions of people?

I think this is a pretty important point as well. Even if there was truth to what you're saying about questioning things, the fact that the same people questioning medical professionals are willing to take random "alternative treatments" just because their favorite media personality told them to shows that they're only really interested in questioning people they already disagree with.

For all of their pleas for civility and an enlightened discussion, TC sure as hell doesn't seem interested in discussion, but only in promoting the anti-vax hysteria.

Of course! But we are basing that on things that are fallible. Now time has passed. People are talking all on social media about young people dying of heart things. Anecdotally there do seem to be a lot lately. But we should have data on this. There should be doctor numbers. Have people studied how cardiac event records compare to previous years? Apparently this is true, they did go up.

But is this because of covid or the vaccine? Logic says probably covid. But have we studied the cases to know? have we seen how many of those with cardiac events were vaccinated vs unvaccinated? how many of them had covid and were there any that didn't have covid?

And with the current mob mentality being that even MENTIONING the idea the vaccine could be dangerous gets you shunned AND with the idea that big companies are heavily invested in this vaccine AND the idea that any problem being found would be a political nightmare for the government, can we trust that the right studies are being done in an unbiased way?

I mean to be honest this isn't an unrealistic thing to worry about. For all that people talk about respecting science, it feels like they're rejecting it by just knocking this stuff down without wanting it studied or considered. That is what science is after all....

What have I done wrong in terms of discussion?

Anecdotally there do seem to be a lot lately.

But we should have data on this.

Have people studied how cardiac event records compare to previous years? Apparently this is true, they did go up.

And with the current mob mentality being that even MENTIONING the idea the vaccine could be dangerous gets you shunned AND with the idea that big companies are heavily invested in this vaccine AND the idea that any problem being found would be a political nightmare for the government, can we trust that the right studies are being done in an unbiased way?

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in humans, how convenient the conspiracy centers around heart failure

How many times in human history have we thought something is fine, only to later realize its harmful, causes cancer, etc? How many times have big companies harmed us ?

Should we? Or should we have studies that answer those questions with facts instead of feeling?

It says you've been here since 2004 and yet you're trying to have a legitimate discussion with people here? I don't know how you haven't learned your lesson yet.

Cardiac events? Heart attacks? Heart disease? Heart-related incidents? I know there were some concerns the vaccine could lead to some temporary heart damage, but unsure how serious that was or if it healed, it seemed like a very small percentage though.

I mean I did a google search and it does seem true that cardiac events have gone up since the pandemic. Again, its likely because of covid, but its not wrong it seems that there is more heart disease right now. But you're already shutting that down...

Why we talking bout this, its the past. Covid is gone.

It says you've been here since 2004 and yet you're trying to have a legitimate discussion with people here? I don't know how you haven't learned your lesson yet.

It says you've been here since 2004 and yet you're trying to have a legitimate discussion with people here? I don't know how you haven't learned your lesson yet.

And with the current mob mentality being that even MENTIONING the idea the vaccine could be dangerous gets you shunned AND with the idea that big companies are heavily invested in this vaccine AND the idea that any problem being found would be a political nightmare for the government, can we trust that the right studies are being done in an unbiased way?

I mean I did a google search and it does seem true that cardiac events have gone up since the pandemic. Again, its likely because of covid, but its not wrong it seems that there is more heart disease right now. But you're already shutting that down...

What have I done wrong in terms of discussion?

I can't seem to help these things getting under my skin though like the way both sides treat each other. I guess I didn't really expect to get anywhere.

How many times in human history have we thought something is fine, only to later realize its harmful, causes cancer, etc? How many times have big companies harmed us ?

hahahahahaha.