Current Events > Even if it's wrong the way we shut down "anti-vax" rhetoric is scary

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Plenty. But here's the rub. You nor I have the medical and science training necessary nor the resources to conduct the studies ourselves. So on some level, you need to trust someone. And better to trust those educated in those matters rather than some guy on YouTube.

It's like if you're sick with some disease and 5 doctors tell you to treat it with these medicines and 1 guy on YouTube says to use some crabgrass soup. The medicine could in the future be discovered to have some very negative properties we didn't know about, but that doesn't mean you were wrong to listen at the time to the best information available.

Cardiac deaths was 635K in 2016, 699K in 2023. But it also is interesting that it decreased like every year from 2000-2019 and then since then it has increased every year, meaning 2022 was worse than 2021, despite less covid deaths.

Yeah, I understand this completely. I'm not saying we should all be taking this as gospel and having some random Youtube guy tell us. Im saying that we should be allowed to question and even encourage it, and we should want these things to be studied. Not just blindly say it's not true.

so youre just aSkInG QuEsTiOnS huh?

Talking at people and not to them, for one. If you need it further spelled out, this fellow is talking about what you're doing ITT.

It's sad seeing the replies ITT and knowing these people are almost all older than me.

OP, there's no way to "shut down" anti-vax rhetoric because they've dug their heels too far into the dirt and refuse to budge.

Because covid impacts cardiac health poorly.

This isn't that weird.

Not only that, but they're still studying the long term effects of the vaccine. There is an awareness that there are some potential cardiac side effects to the vaccine, but COVID is far worse when it comes to that. It's more rare to have a cardiac event linked to the vaccine compared to full blown COVID.

Myocarditis is usually pretty mild and is treatable. Black athletes tend to have underlying heart issues, and it isn't always public knowledge. Athletes in general have a chance of dying of sudden cardiac arrest because strenuous exercise isn't exactly good for your heart. Not to mention sports like baseball or lacrosse where you can get hit in the chest hard enough with a ball to make your heart stop.

People pointing at athletes talking about "vax injuries" and shit are arguing from a point of ignorance.

But that doesn't mean we should go to the point of trying to silence the other side.

Yes some of them are obnoxious but we shouldn't over-correct and try to shut down any discussion or say that questioning is bad.

Because one day they will be right...even if it's not about this

When really it hurts nobody to look into this and continue to study things.

See this is a reasonable response....and I know, its most likely a result of the disease, not the vaccine.

But again, even bringing up the idea that cardiac events have worsened was laughed off by some people here. And that kind of attitude isn't helpful. Data is all we have. The rest is just us saying our feelings.

I just hope that whatever things from the vaccine we do find do not cause long-term issues.

And if it IS a necessary evil to ward off the disease that should still be something people are fully informed of, especially if they're putting it in their bodies.

And if it IS a necessary evil to ward off the disease that should still be something people are fully informed of, especially if they're putting it in their bodies.

Shut the fuck up.

Vaccines arent a new technology. This vaccine was new but it went through rigorous medical testing before it was made widely available. For no other drug do people distrust the medical community like they did for this vaccine.

I know but I get it. I mean, normally new drugs are not put out so quickly and distributed at such a wide scale. There's a sort of belief that these things are safe because they've been used forever, or by the time you hear about them they've been vetted by a lot of other people. All of a sudden this new type of vaccine is coming out and we're going to have everybody take it as quickly as possible, and then not only that, but keep coming back for boosters. It's a little scary.

Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a stupid question.

"Is the earth flat?" For example, is a stupid f***in question. People that believe that should be laughed out of every room they curse with their presence.

I'm perfectly happy "silencing" (which doesn't happen by the way) the side that's actively gunning for the greater death toll. I don't think they've much to add in the grand scheme, do you?

Somehow I doubt that. But, sure, let's pretend the people vying for dewormers will one day he right about... something. What a stellar point you've made here, chief. You're not fooling anyone.

They literally had warnings in the pamphlet I was handed before getting my shots in 2021. They even flat out said the shots weren't FDA approved, and that they were authorized for emergency use only.

we all know cardiac incidents have increased and we know it is largely covid related. again, 'just asking questions' while handwaiving the actual 99% of doctors and scientists that tell us the vaccine is safe is akin to being a flat earther or 9/11 truther.

also, calling out anti vaxxers for their anti science and dangerous rhetoric isn't silencing them, it is just spreading correct information.

a person is entitled to believing in a flat earth or be a 9/11 truther as well, but others aren't obligated to treat those opinions as legitimate

You're not f***ing reading what people post here. It's not new, it's had over 20 years of development prior to COVID, then the government granted them more funding. You're not here for discussion, you're here to spread antivax nonsense.

I know but I get it. I mean, normally new drugs are not put out so quickly and distributed at such a wide scale. There's a sort of belief that these things are safe because they've been used forever, or by the time you hear about them they've been vetted by a lot of other people. All of a sudden this new type of vaccine is coming out and we're going to have everybody take it as quickly as possible, and then not only that, but keep coming back for boosters. It's a little scary.

Which is why questioning people should be respected because there's legitimate reason to be nervous. I don't think it can be compared to other vaccines when the method of how it works is so different.

Though people have brought up the SARS vaccine which i don't know about, so maybe that's the same.

The mods have let this go on for nearly an hour now.

No, theres a belief these things are safe because the medical community ran clinical trials. New medicines come out every year. It is very unlikely that every medicine youve every taken has been around for decades. I bet you normally dont ask that question. And how is an annual booster scary compared with chow many people take medication daily?

Its anti-vax rhetoric because I said we should investigate just in case?

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The mods have let this go on for nearly an hour now.

CE, did you really let this obvious bait get to 141 posts? Wow.

The mods have let this go on for nearly an hour now.

Imagine actually believing this bullshit. This is why we're stuck with it.

also, this disingenuous dweeb is complaining that if the anti-vaxers turned out to be right, we would have been keeping "vital information" from reaching the public....when that's exactly what happened as a result of the anti-vax misinfo sphere being allowed to flourish during the pandemic drowning out important information about vaccines and mitigation efforts in a diarrhea spew of conspiracy theories and right wing bigotry. odd how he kept his mouth shut about all of that

No need to curse!
I said it because the who ended it, no need to insult ot curse at people.

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