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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:03:27 AM
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Was dbz always this goofy? I remember some level of goof in tit but not this much

Still fun though

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Jx1010
07/30/23 10:04:24 AM
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Buu saga yea thats when it went downhill

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lilORANG
07/30/23 10:05:15 AM
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Buu saga leans more heavily on the gags and comedy.

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:05:23 AM
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Jx1010 posted...
Buu saga yea thats when it went downhill
I mean, majin vegeta was pretty great

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VeggetaX
07/30/23 10:06:26 AM
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How can you say that shit when this happened during the Freiza saga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcreG-bhRRA

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Jx1010
07/30/23 10:06:55 AM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
I mean, majin vegeta was pretty great
Majin vegeta was awesome but surrounded by jokes and silly things. To make it worst, what happens to him all because of fat buu.
Something went wrong in that saga, it didnt feel like dbz

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:08:05 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
How can you say that shit when this happened during the Freiza saga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcreG-bhRRA
It's been at least a decade since I watched z that's how

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VeggetaX
07/30/23 10:08:12 AM
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Vegeta jobbed to this dumb looking shit
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/0/AAAHH2AAEtSC.jpg

but yeah losing to Fat Buu was when it got too goofy

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:08:44 AM
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Then again I loved all of super which is not the majority opinion

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VeggetaX
07/30/23 10:09:09 AM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
It's been at least a decade since I watched z that's how
Well now you know.

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StateofZen
07/30/23 10:11:06 AM
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It's a Buutiful mess

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Jx1010
07/30/23 10:11:07 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
Vegeta jobbed to this dumb looking shit
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/0/AAAHH2AAEtSC.jpg

but yeah losing to Fat Buu was when it got too goofy
That guy was dumb but he was dangerous. He was so strong that he acted that way because he knew vegeta, gohan and krillin were no match for him

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 10:12:17 AM
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Toriyama wanted a return to the silliness of the original Dragon Ball (as in, the Kid Goku era) run.

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:12:21 AM
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Trunks just killed Piccolo

"Oopsie"

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VeggetaX
07/30/23 10:13:42 AM
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The Ginyu Force was made to be strong but always to look goofy as shit regardless.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/6/AAAHH2AAEtSI.jpg

Goofiness has always been part of DB. It did not start in the Buu saga LMAO.

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 10:15:13 AM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
Trunks just killed Piccolo

"Oopsie"
They're extremely casual about death overall during the Buu saga.

Two that stick out for me (spoilers for the TC) :
  1. When Super Buu invades the lookout, Piccolo suggests that Buu kills time by killing everyone on Earth, knowing that they can use the Dragon Balls to bring them back. Buu just uses an attack that kills nearly everyone on Earth all at once.
  2. When Chi-Chi confronts Buu after the above, he turns her into an egg and squashes her. Goten is distressed by this but Piccolo just tells him that they can use the Dragon Balls to bring her back.

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Jx1010
07/30/23 10:16:46 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
The Ginyu Force was made to be strong but always to look goofy as shit regardless.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/6/AAAHH2AAEtSI.jpg

Goofiness has always been part of DB. It did not start in the Buu saga LMAO.
U dont get it.
The ginyu force was silly in a way even people in the show could see it. Frieza was embarrassed of how they behaved but he knew they were perfect for the job.
In buu saga however, the viewer is forced to watch some real silly things that affect the whole show, the way everything is portrayed.
Even frieza looks silly in the buu saga, he was never a joke in the frieza saga. The show went downhill big time.

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 10:17:54 AM
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VeggetaX posted...
The Ginyu Force was made to be strong but always to look goofy as shit regardless.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/6/AAAHH2AAEtSI.jpg

Goofiness has always been part of DB. It did not start in the Buu saga LMAO.
But Buu also seems SIGNIFICANTLY more laden with it. I don't mean did it start it.

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DarkChozoGhost
07/30/23 11:12:05 AM
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DBZ didn't get goofier with Buu. But it was the first time in a pretty long time that the main threat was the primary main comic relief too. So people mistakenly see it as a tonal shift.

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cuttin_in_farm
07/30/23 11:16:58 AM
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Do yall not think that a literal baby is not more scary than someone who has awareness of their threat like Cell or Freeza?

The point of Majin Buu is that hes scary because hes a tub of pink baby shit and hes unpredictable. Its amplified by his final transformation.

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Jx1010
07/30/23 11:48:14 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Do yall not think that a literal baby is not more scary than someone who has awareness of their threat like Cell or Freeza?

The point of Majin Buu is that hes scary because hes a tub of pink baby shit and hes unpredictable. Its amplified by his final transformation.
No thats not scary. Its also not even worth fighting for a saiyan or a martial artist like goku. But it was there in the buu saga because

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:01:00 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Do yall not think that a literal baby is not more scary than someone who has awareness of their threat like Cell or Freeza?

The point of Majin Buu is that hes scary because hes a tub of pink baby shit and hes unpredictable. Its amplified by his final transformation.
I'm actually in agreement. Buu is way more terrifying than Cell because he's a force of nature. Haven't got to the transformation yet.

Also why the hell did Vegeta turn to stone

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:02:20 PM
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Also I thought the dragon balls were turned to stone, they literally mentioned that earlier in the arc

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:07:47 PM
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Ok that whole gather the dragon balls bit eas fantastic

17 is the best

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Hayame_Zero
07/30/23 12:07:54 PM
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Considering how goofy most of what Toriyama created is, the parts where DBZ is serious is probably more unusual than the silliness.

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AgentCoulson
07/30/23 12:09:28 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
Also I thought the dragon balls were turned to stone, they literally mentioned that earlier in the arc

Why would they be stone? It's been more than a year since they were last used and Dende's still alive.

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tremain07
07/30/23 12:15:34 PM
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Dende doesn't matter for that, the dragonballs always will be tied to Piccolo because Kami made them and Kami fused with Piccolo in the android arc so if Piccolo dies the dragonballs become stone. One day maybe Dende may be able to craft his own Dragonballs but considering how long Namkikans live compared to Earthlings by the time he's capable of doing so the cast will be long dead.

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The_Popo
07/30/23 12:24:56 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Vegeta jobbed to this dumb looking shit

At least he killed him 10 minutes later

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:24:56 PM
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AgentCoulson posted...
Why would they be stone? It's been more than a year since they were last used and Dende's still alive.
Oh you know I figured it out

I was playing dbfz story mode earlier, they're stone in that and I was remembering Bulma saying it and mixed it with this

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:25:49 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
17 is the best
My favorite DBZ characters are Future Trunks, 17, and Broly.

... maybe that explains why I liked Super and its movies so much.

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:26:25 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Dende doesn't matter for that, the dragonballs always will be tied to Piccolo because Kami made them and Kami fused with Piccolo in the android arc so if Piccolo dies the dragonballs become stone. One day maybe Dende may be able to craft his own Dragonballs but considering how long Namkikans live compared to Earthlings by the time he's capable of doing so the cast will be long dead.
So I guess they're lucky Supreme Kai was wrong about breaking the statue keeping them from being brought back >.>

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:27:24 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
My favorite DBZ characters are Future Trunks, 17, and Broly.

... maybe that explains why I liked Super and its movies so much.
Super is just well made and fun. Tournament of Power was such an excellent send-off, but I'd love to see more of the Manga adapted too.

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ZevLoveDOOM
07/30/23 12:28:01 PM
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fat Buu was a simpleton but kid Buu was pretty badass!
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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 12:29:22 PM
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Buu chasing the Rollercoaster I was just waiting for it to go bad

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PraetorXyn
07/30/23 12:29:39 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
How can you say that shit when this happened during the Freiza saga?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcreG-bhRRA
Thats a dub thing, and dubs have always been awful.
https://youtu.be/cDyLga4f46Q

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The_Popo
07/30/23 12:32:37 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Dende doesn't matter for that, the dragonballs always will be tied to Piccolo because Kami made them and Kami fused with Piccolo in the android arc so if Piccolo dies the dragonballs become stone. One day maybe Dende may be able to craft his own Dragonballs but considering how long Namkikans live compared to Earthlings by the time he's capable of doing so the cast will be long dead.

No Dende becomes linked to the dragon balls after he revived Shenron in the Cell Saga. And its outright stated as such later in the Buu Saga (that isnt a spoiler, as Piccolo and Kami both stated that the dragon balls would vanish once they fused).

Here is the panel that shows this to be the case. Im adding a spoiler tag since the panel itself is something TC hasnt seen yet, and it includes info that he has yet to see:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AAEqD0AAEtTO.jpg

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 12:33:39 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
Buu chasing the Rollercoaster I was just waiting for it to go bad
Buu's best feature is his whimsical cruelty. Like that scene where he cures a blind kid, goes off and turns an old man into a carton of milk, then brings the milk back to the kid. It's just such an interesting nature for a villain to have.

He got worse when he became Super Buu. More like Cell, but...not as cool as Cell.

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 12:41:30 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
Thats a dub thing, and dubs have always been awful.
Objectively false.

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PraetorXyn
07/30/23 12:44:36 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Objectively false.
There are rare exceptions like Cowboy Bebop, but for the most part, its absolutely true. I run into this every time I go looking for a clip of something and accidentally get the dun version, and its always so cringe.

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tremain07
07/30/23 12:54:42 PM
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The_Popo posted...
No Dende becomes linked to the dragon balls after he revived Shenron in the Cell Saga. And its outright stated as such later in the Buu Saga (that isnt a spoiler, as Piccolo and Kami both stated that the dragon balls would vanish once they fused).

Here is the panel that shows this to be the case. Im adding a spoiler tag since the panel itself is something TC hasnt seen yet, and it includes info that he has yet to see:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/6/AAEqD0AAEtTO.jpg
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?

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Gobstoppers12
07/30/23 1:05:13 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?
Who was saying this? I've forgotten the specifics of that part tbh

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 1:22:10 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?
Piccolo only died in the anime version of that arc, so that may have been one of the weird things that was added (along with Gotenks briefly showing up, Captain Ginyu coming back, and Gohan exhausting himself so Goku is able to use Instant Transmission to get back to Earth).

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sephiroth068
07/30/23 1:41:41 PM
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PraetorXyn posted...
There are rare exceptions like Cowboy Bebop, but for the most part, its absolutely true. I run into this every time I go looking for a clip of something and accidentally get the dun version, and its always so cringe.
This isn't the 80s or early 90s anymore. Dubs have been actually good for a long time now.

Granted not all of them obviously and you will always get a few examples of not so stellar dub performances in even the best dubs but the quality has massively improved and that is objectively true.

However, you are of course free to prefer whatever language you watch your media. That's the beauty of having those choices

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DarkChozoGhost
07/30/23 1:48:34 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?
I forgot about that lol. Sadly, I think that can only be taken as a mistake. Well, I guess we can chalk it up to the characters forgetting and making that mistake. They've been known to have trouble keeping up with the universe's bullshit rules.

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VFalcone
07/30/23 2:08:41 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?
Because, as I and many others have repeatedly been saying, Super is garbage. So much of it is completely inconsistent with and/or retconned from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z that it's basically fan-made content.
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VeggetaX
07/30/23 2:11:40 PM
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VFalcone posted...
Because, as I and many others have repeatedly been saying, Super is garbage. So much of it is completely inconsistent with and/or retconned from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z that it's basically fan-made content.
It's 2023 and people are still trying to make sense of the series.

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sabin017
07/30/23 2:22:18 PM
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They just don't care about Dende. He's literally a kid again at the end of Z.

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The_Popo
07/30/23 2:34:37 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?

VFalcone posted...
Because, as I and many others have repeatedly been saying, Super is garbage. So much of it is completely inconsistent with and/or retconned from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z that it's basically fan-made content.

Well Resurrection F is technically still DBZ (Ive always hated that BoG & RF are still DBZ)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/1/AAEqD0AAEtVz.jpg


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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:35:47 PM
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tremain07 posted...
The hell? Then why did they say they would lose the dragonballs after Piccolo seemingly dies in Revival of F?
Because Super doesnt follow anything from dragonball z. Super is just fanmade worthless, nothing related to dbz

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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:37:01 PM
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The_Popo posted...
Well Resurrection F is technically still DBZ (Ive always hated that BoG & RF are still DBZ)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/9/1/AAEqD0AAEtVz.jpg
its not dbz.
Dbz ended years ago, they throw the name on it because without it people wouldnt watch it.

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