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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:37:57 PM
#51:


VeggetaX posted...
It's 2023 and people are still trying to make sense of the series.
Theres no reason to bother with super, doesnt even have a story of purpose. Its just made for the hell of making extra money.

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 2:38:32 PM
#52:


The_Popo posted...
Well Resurrection F is technically still DBZ (Ive always hated that BoG & RF are still DBZ)
That's because both films came out before DBSuper debuted.

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The_Popo
07/30/23 2:39:57 PM
#53:


Jx1010 posted...
its not dbz.
Dbz ended years ago, they throw the name on it because without it people wouldnt watch it.

They called it DBZ because DBS wasnt a thing yet. So it was part of DBZ.

They coulda called it Dragon Ball ________ and used anything in the blank. People would know what it was. Adding the Z to the end wasnt what made people watch it.

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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:42:13 PM
#54:


The_Popo posted...
They called it DBZ because DBS wasnt a thing yet. So it was part of DBZ.

They coulda called it Dragon Ball ________ and used anything in the blank. People would know what it was. Adding the Z to the end wasnt what made people watch it.
So why didnt they call it GT?

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Solar_Crimson
07/30/23 2:46:33 PM
#55:


Jx1010 posted...
So why didnt they call it GT?
Because GT isn't part of Toriyama's canon, and neither film takes place during the time period GT took place in.

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 2:49:30 PM
#56:


Jx1010 posted...
Because Super doesnt follow anything from dragonball z. Super is just fanmade worthless, nothing related to dbz
It's literally made by Toriyama

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VFalcone
07/30/23 2:51:23 PM
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RuneterranSnap posted...
It's literally made by Toriyama
Just because it's made by Toriyama doesn't mean it's actually consistent with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Which it isn't, at all.
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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:52:09 PM
#58:


RuneterranSnap posted...
It's literally made by Toriyama
And? Quality and story are 1000 times below dbz, I highly doubt he wasnt influenced by an outside form to change his original ideas. His work through db and dbz was special, then super is terrible beyond words

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RuneterranSnap
07/30/23 2:54:07 PM
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VFalcone posted...
Just because it's made by Toriyama doesn't mean it's actually consistent with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Which it isn't, at all.
That was in response to calling it fanmade

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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
07/30/23 2:55:31 PM
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Toriyama wanted to go back to some of the silliness of the original Dragon Ball.

I mean, Krillin once forgot he didn't have a nose in DB.

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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:56:06 PM
#61:


RuneterranSnap posted...
That was in response to calling it fanmade
When people say its fanmade, they refer to the level of quality. Thats how bad it is.

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VFalcone
07/30/23 2:56:59 PM
#62:


Jx1010 posted...
And? Quality and story are 1000 times below dbz, I highly doubt he wasnt influenced by an outside form to change his original ideas. His work through db and dbz was special, then super is terrible beyond words
Thats because DBZ ended in 1996 and DBS started in 2015. Basically two decades after. Dude literally forgot everything about the previous shows besides the basics. He even managed to get Future Trunks' hair wrong
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Jx1010
07/30/23 2:58:21 PM
#63:


VFalcone posted...
Thats because DBZ ended in 1996 and DBS started in 2015. Basically two decades after. Dude literally forgot everything about the previous shows besides the basics. He even managed to get Future Trunks' hair wrong
Maybe hes not really behind super, most people havent watched dbz in 20 years and they still remember.

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VeggetaX
07/30/23 3:01:20 PM
#64:


We get it. You really hate everything after the Cell saga and you believe your opinions are very justified.

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MorganTJ
07/30/23 3:08:12 PM
#65:


VFalcone posted...
Thats because DBZ ended in 1996 and DBS started in 2015. Basically two decades after. Dude literally forgot everything about the previous shows besides the basics. He even managed to get Future Trunks' hair wrong
The anime was inconsistent about it first. Bulma and Trunks are supposed to have the same hair color - manga Bulma has purple hair, but they changed it to blue in the anime. But they still kept Trunks hair purple. He has blue hair again to match with his mom.
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VFalcone
07/30/23 3:16:19 PM
#66:


VeggetaX posted...
We get it. You really hate everything after the Cell saga and you believe your opinions are very justified.
If left up to me, I would scrap everything about Super and start over from the end of BotG, so keeping Beerus and Whis around. I think they're good characters. I'd also keep the premise of the multiverse so characters like Hit and Jiren can still exist. Then, I'd do a massive power crunch of all of that shit back down to BotG-level. Beerus beat Goku using 10% of his power in the movie, and that's more than enough of a power difference to make whole sagas' worth of fights and power boosts that are consistent and within that range. Then finally end it with the last Beerus fight.

Super started with the 10% thing and abandoned that almost immediately as Beerus's power is unreachable when it seemingly grows 1 gazillion per second. To the point that SS Blue Vegito is somehow still weaker than Beerus

MorganTJ posted...
The anime was inconsistent about it first. Bulma and Trunks are supposed to have the same hair color - manga Bulma has purple hair, but they changed it to blue in the anime. But they still kept Trunks hair purple. He has blue hair again to match with his mom.
Yet Kid Trunks still has purple hair, lmao.
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VeggetaX
07/30/23 3:21:55 PM
#67:


Trust me guys you would have not done a better job than Toriyama.

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YellowSUV
07/30/23 3:22:47 PM
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Maybe it is just me, but I think the series should of kept the "Z" name. Dragon Ball Z sounds so much better and less generic than Dragon Ball Super.

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Jx1010
07/30/23 3:26:03 PM
#69:


YellowSUV posted...
Maybe it is just me, but I think the series should of kept the "Z" name. Dragon Ball Z sounds so much better and less generic than Dragon Ball Super.
They call it super cause is superbad

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 1:36:39 PM
#70:


Holy shit buu is an incel

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Trumpo
07/31/23 2:18:27 PM
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Why does he sound like Vegeta? @ the Piccolo vid

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 2:28:45 PM
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I just got to the blind kid wrf was that

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texanfan27
07/31/23 2:38:36 PM
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Gags are part of the core indenity to dragonball, but that fell off heavy with the start of Z. Makes me wonder if the intent of the Buu Saga was to bring that mixture together? Cause the other Z sagas were more serious with a gag maybe here or then, but the Buu saga was full of them

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PraetorXyn
07/31/23 3:04:41 PM
#74:


Trumpo posted...
Why does he sound like Vegeta? @ the Piccolo vid
In the dub theyre both voiced by Christopher Sabat.

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VeggetaX
07/31/23 3:05:54 PM
#75:


texanfan27 posted...
Gags are part of the core indenity to dragonball, but that fell off heavy with the start of Z. Makes me wonder if the intent of the Buu Saga was to bring that mixture together? Cause the other Z sagas were more serious with a gag maybe here or then, but the Buu saga was full of them
My theory is most western DB fans started on the Cell saga which admittingly is the most brooding and dark saga of them all so that's what these casuals are used to and what they're expecting.

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 6:30:57 PM
#76:


They just shot an old lady wtf

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 6:43:44 PM
#77:


WTF PUPPY NO

That hurt

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 6:50:41 PM
#78:


Oh good Hercule wins a fight for once

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MorbidEngel
07/31/23 6:52:03 PM
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That guy has done some things that if he didn't, things would've gone really bad.

He's partly responsible for Gohan hitting Super Saiyan 2 after all, since he threw 16's head.

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 7:48:32 PM
#80:


Ok evil buu is honestly great and terrifying

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 7:53:34 PM
#81:


Rip ChiChi

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The_Popo
07/31/23 8:32:30 PM
#82:


RuneterranSnap posted...
Rip ChiChi

She shouldnt have egged him on

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UnicornWizard
07/31/23 8:34:03 PM
#83:


The_Popo posted...
She shouldnt have egged him on
She really cracked under pressure.

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The_Popo
07/31/23 8:37:38 PM
#84:


UnicornWizard posted...
She really cracked under pressure.

Especially when Buu was looking so yolked

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 9:10:15 PM
#85:


So gotenks is amazing

But correct me if I'm wrong, but Piccolo made a MASSIVE tactical error

He should've left the hyperbolic time chamber before blowing uo the door

It might sound awful to abandon Gotenks, but they can wish him back with the dragon balls

Which they can't do if Piccolo dies in the chamber.

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 9:10:43 PM
#86:


The_Popo posted...
She shouldnt have egged him on

UnicornWizard posted...
She really cracked under pressure.

The_Popo posted...
Especially when Buu was looking so yolked
I'm just so proud

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 9:32:36 PM
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So I gather Piccolo doesn't die because that's gonna make fixing things hard

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The_Popo
07/31/23 9:35:53 PM
#88:


TC, are you watching DBZ Kai? Because youre absolutely flying through the show.

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 9:38:40 PM
#89:


The_Popo posted...
TC, are you watching DBZ Kai? Because youre absolutely flying through the show.
Nope regular just have it as background at times while I do other things, mostly packing

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YellowSUV
07/31/23 9:54:37 PM
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I'm curious, do the streaming versions take out the "next time/previously on DBZ"? If so, that would cut off a lot of the running time.

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RuneterranSnap
07/31/23 10:09:56 PM
#91:


YellowSUV posted...
I'm curious, do the streaming versions take out the "next time/previously on DBZ"? If so, that would cut off a lot of the running time.
Nope don't even get skip buttons on crunchyroll, but I've been skipping them manually lol

Actually just had to replace my Playstation controller with thr spare lol, though I've also been playing some dbfz in the meantime

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DarthDemented
07/31/23 10:11:49 PM
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Heh, goof in tit

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FelineCyborg
07/31/23 10:19:23 PM
#93:


i stopped playing kakarot when i got to the buu saga...i had like 60 hrs in that game and even played the dlcs. the buu saga sucks.

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Gobstoppers12
08/01/23 3:05:50 AM
#94:


Buu saga is everyone's least favorite, but there are some truly epic things coming your way. It had an awkward start and middle, but it has a fantastic final act for multiple reasons.

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Torgo
08/01/23 3:10:06 AM
#95:


Jx1010 posted...
Buu saga yea thats when it went downhill

Yeah. Akira Toriyama wanted to end it after Frieza at first, but then really felt with Cell the series had gone as far as it could, and really ended with everything resolved. he wasn't really invested as much in the Buu saga.

On top of being goofy and having the tone be all over the place, the Buu Saga undoes some of the ideas that ended cell, specifically massively downgrading and taking away Gohan as the natural successor, and making it all about Goku again.

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cuttin_in_farm
08/01/23 3:13:38 AM
#96:


Torgo posted...
On top of being goofy and having the tone be all over the place, the Buu Saga undoes some of the ideas that ended cell, specifically massively downgrading and taking away Gohan as the natural successor, and making it all about Goku again.


Name one other idea that was supposedly undone.

Because Vegetas arc is massively improved. Mr. Satan too.

Gohan is the only tradeoff. And thats debatable given his status by the end of the arc.

Buu saga gets hate undeservedly imo.

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hop918
08/01/23 6:20:55 AM
#97:


RuneterranSnap posted...
So I gather Piccolo doesn't die because that's gonna make fixing things hard

Piccolo doesn't matter as long as Dende is alive they're fine. Plus they still have Namek's dragon balls.
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ZaruenKosai
08/01/23 6:44:34 AM
#98:


I love buu saga and super.

and yes.. its all dragon ball .. whether its z or super, its still dragon ball...

people are just being haters.

Dragon ball was always humorus. Why do you think abridged worked out so well?

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008Zulu
08/01/23 7:43:56 AM
#99:


I quit half way through the series, it was just terrible.

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RuneterranSnap
08/01/23 8:32:50 AM
#100:


hop918 posted...
Piccolo doesn't matter as long as Dende is alive they're fine. Plus they still have Namek's dragon balls.
Dende is already dead

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