Current Events > Woman calls men in their late 30s/40s who date women in 20s gross

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NoxObscuras posted...

Yes. Because you're essentially treating women as commodities with stuff like this. The chance for problems during birth goes up as women age, but plenty of women still have children well into their 40's just fine. My cousin gave birth to healthy twins at age 42.

But if you're just viewing women as baby making machines, then that's problematic. You should value your partner for far more than their ability to provide children for you.

The exception isn't the rule. As you go up in age, it becomes harder to birth children. What'smore, a man can find a woman who is 23-25 years old mature, attractive looking, and someone who they want to spend their time with and build something with. You forget that women in their 20's are grown adults who pay bills, have jobs, and have the same rights as men.

The logic that "men must only date or be in relationships with someone who is X or Y" is flawed reasoning

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Thing is they aren't though. Certain groups assert that this is some sort of epidemic when really it's just a case of confirmation bias, especially when they then tie it to the reason why men in their 20's aren't finding partners.

It's a horrible attempt to twist the findings of a recently published study on men in that demographic's struggle to find companionship. There are some real problems that men face in that demo, but the usual suspects love to blame the same groups over and over again in lieu of evidence demonstrating a single cause. (Because surprise! It's a complex and multifaceted problem that can't be blamed on just one thing.)

MyBirthRight posted...

This logic is extremely bad. A man's value typically goes up with age. Meaning that as he gets older, he gets more money. More status. Has a better handle on his emotions.

A younger man isn't seen as valuable because he hasn't built himself up to attract woman. The mentality of a man in his 20's is massively different from 30's-40's

This is a valuation based on nothing. You can't show your work, except for examples of other men with this worldview parroting the same nonsense. It is an imagined reality that you've imposed on nobody but yourself, and in your conceit you've decided that it's somehow an objective truth.

Is it true for some men? Yes, but only the ones who already see these things, and nothing else, as their value. It's the product a pathetic mind that conjures these ideas to mask deep insecurities.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

This is a valuation based on nothing. You can't show your work, except for examples of other men with this worldview parroting the same nonsense. It is an imagined reality that you've imposed on nobody but yourself, and in your conceit you've decided that it's somehow an objective truth.

Is it true for some men? Yes, but only the ones who already see these things, and nothing else, as their value. It's the product a pathetic mind that conjures these ideas to mask deep insecurities.

Value is depending on money, and status. If a guy makes a lot of money , has a good job, has a car, his own place of living, and more things, he is seen as more valuable. Compared to a 20 year old man working at walmart as a clerk or product stocker who lives with his mom. Looks don't matter as much for a man if he's broke. That 20 year old man isn't going to maintain any relationships and is going to be a turnoff to a lot of women because he has no value. Women tend to look for the best possible guy.

Men are judged on several factors. If a man is a bum or loser, the world will make it known and people will look down on him. As men age, they tend to get more value because..they make more money and aquire more status. Thus said man will have a better chance of getting women compared to his early 20's

Men are really only judged on one factor.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Men are really only judged on one factor.

Men are judged on looks, money, personality, and status

If a man is good looking but is broke, he won't maintain any relationship

if a man has a good personality, that wont matter if he doesn't fit certain physical requirements

Men are judged on a multi layer set of things

MyBirthRight posted...

Value is depending on money, and status. If a guy makes a lot of money , has a good job, has a car, his own place of living, and more things, he is seen as more valuable. Compared to a 20 year old man working at walmart as a clerk or product stocker who lives with his mom. Looks don't matter as much for a man if he's broke. That 20 year old man isn't going to maintain any relationships and is going to be a turnoff to a lot of women because he has no value. Women tend to look for the best possible guy.

Men are judged on several factors. If a man is a bum or loser, the world will make it known and people will look down on him. As men age, they tend to get more value because..they make more money and aquire more status. Thus said man will have a better chance of getting women compared to his early 20's

Nowhere in your equation is personality, humor, drive, ethics, empathy, dependability, etc. And why not? Because the comparatively shallow aspects of a man's life that people like you rely on for your value system are...

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

the product a pathetic mind that conjures these ideas to mask deep insecurities.

Edit: I see you have mentioned personality and the like, but only in the context that it's meaningless without money or looks. Sad.

MyBirthRight posted...

Men are judged on several factors. If a man is a bum or loser, the world will make it known and people will look down on him. As men age, they tend to get more value because..they make more money and aquire more status. Thus said man will have a better chance of getting women compared to his early 20's

Imagine identifying a genuine problem with the hierarchical structure in our society but instead thinking 'no this is definitively a good thing and not a problem at all also women are biologically driven to behave a certain way when men are only driven by societal judgement'

MyBirthRight posted...

certain physical requirements

Good lord you people are so predictably weak.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Nowhere in your equation is personality, humor, drive, ethics, empathy, dependability, etc. And why not? Because the comparatively shallow aspects of a man's life that people like you rely on for your value system are...

Everyone has a personality. Everyone in their own way has humor. But a man with humor alone doesn't mean a thing if he doesn't take care of himself, or if he doesn't have a good job or career. You can't rely on personality or humor alone when there are tons of other men approaching women.

Life is a competition. Which means that the woman is going to be looking for the guy who has the complete package(or close to) . As far as empathy, everyone has some empathy.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Edit: I see you have mentioned personality and the like, but only in the context that it's meaningless without money or looks. Sad.

Personality can't carry someone alone. Infact, the term "judge a book by it's cover" is a common thing. Even in online dating and relationships, you wont even be considered for a date at first glance if you look ugly. And even average looking men have it hard in the dating scene. Hence why men must make up for their looks in different ways. Life is a competition. If a woman sees a guy with a decent personality, but sees an even better guy who also has a good personality but has better status, more connections, more money, etc that guy will be more attractive for a relationship.

The idea that you think that a person can maintain a relationship through his personality alone, without having a good job or career, is laughable at best.

MyBirthRight posted...

Men are judged on looks, money, personality, and status

Women are judged on all those things too, it just doesn't stop them from getting a 5 inch pork sword shoved into them if they so choose to have that experience.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Women are judged on all those things too, it just doesn't stop them from getting a 5 inch pork sword shoved into them if they so choose to have that experience.

Men and women aren't the same. It's easier for a woman to have sex. It's harder for a man to have sex. Women also get approached more on dating sites and in real life situations.

Also, women aren't judged on having money or status.

MyBirthRight posted...

the term "judge a book by it's cover" is a common thing

Yeah, as a warning not to do it. You've fooled yourself into believing everyone else is judging you according to your insecurities.

lol

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Yeah, as a warning not to do it. You've fooled yourself into believing everyone else is judging you according to your insecurities.

If a person doesn't take care of their appearance. Doesn't brush their teeth. Doesn't keep fit. Wears baggy clothing. Smells bad. All the personality in the world doesn't matter if said guy doesn't take care of his appearence.

People will always judge you based on first impression and by how you look. You don't go into a job interview with a white t shirt and jeans and expect to get the job, compared to someone who dresses well, and acts professional

MyBirthRight posted...

Men and women aren't the same. It's easier for a woman to have sex. It's harder for a man to have sex. Women also get approached more on dating sites and in real life situations.

Also, women aren't judged on having money or status.

If you control for all the variables, they are the same.

Women having low status can gate them out of jobs. Women can be judged for being materialistic.

And yeah, access to sex- if there are gonna be gender or sex differences that is probably going to be the first one you see.

I don't know why you want to die on the hill of men and women being different. It sounds like no one ever grants you that premise because I have never seen you elaborate beyond that.

All this cod psychology and wacky takes on evolutionary theory, trying to rationalise why people can't get dates.

And they all come back to blaming women, because those beautiful fragile creatures with all their legacy eggs just cannot help but follow their biological imperatives. The poor guy? He tries hard, but what can he do up against that? (/s).

If you control for all the variables, they are the same.

No, they are not. Both men and women go through different things in society, are raised differently, and look at things in different ways

To try to argue that men and women are judged on the same standards of beauty is flawed. There is a reason that Onlyfans tends to favor women more. Men are more likely to sub to an onlyfans because there is a huge demand of it and supply of men. While women don't have to sub to a guy's only fans to get access to sex/sexual stuff

MyBirthRight posted...

No, they are not. Both men and women go through different things in society, are raised differently, and look at things in different ways

Ok, so? You can say that about your neighbor and people born 5 years after you. It amounts to saying literally nothing and is just analytically true.

MyBirthRight posted...

If a person doesn't take care of their appearance. Doesn't brush their teeth. Doesn't keep fit. Wears baggy clothing. Smells bad. All the personality in the world doesn't matter if said guy doesn't take care of his appearence.

People will always judge you based on first impression and by how you look. You don't go into a job interview with a white t shirt and jeans and expect to get the job, compared to someone who dresses well, and acts professional

And? This simplistic, everyday common knowledge doesn't go anywhere to prove your worldview, because you make a fantastical leap from basic concepts like a baseline level of hygiene to all the other crap you've let yourself believe. It's a delusional jump from dressing properly for a job interview to "a man with wealth and status in his 40s should find a woman in her 20s to make babies with before her eggs disappear so he can have a legacy."

ai123 posted...

All this cod psychology and wacky takes on evolutionary theory, trying to rationalise why people can't get dates.

And they all come back to blaming women, because those beautiful fragile creatures with all their legacy eggs just cannot help but follow their biological imperatives. The poor guy? He tries hard, but what can he do up against that? (/s).

The best thing any man can do is build his money up and be the best version he can be.

Not complacent on his looks or think his humor or personality will carry him. A guy needs the full package, or to do as much as he can to be the full package

ai123 posted...

And they all come back to blaming women, because those beautiful fragile creatures with all their legacy eggs just cannot help but follow their biological imperatives. The poor guy? He tries hard, but what can he do up against that? (/s).

b-b-but think of all the evolutionary dead ends D: D:

MyBirthRight posted...

The exception isn't the rule. As you go up in age, it becomes harder to birth children. What'smore, a man can find a woman who is 23-25 years old mature, attractive looking, and someone who they want to spend their time with and build something with. You forget that women in their 20's are grown adults who pay bills, have jobs, and have the same rights as men.

The logic that "men must only date or be in relationships with someone who is X or Y" is flawed reasoning

Nah, don't quote me if you're just going to make up points to argue against lol. I never even said most of what you're disagreeing with.

"You forget that women in their 20's are grown adults who pay bills, have jobs, and have the same rights as men."

When did I ever say that they aren't grown adults?

"The logic that "men must only date or be in relationships with someone who is X or Y" is flawed reasoning"

Never said that either. If you don't have a rebuttal to what I actually said, then just say that lol.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

And? This simplistic, everyday common knowledge doesn't go anywhere to prove your worldview, because you make a fantastical leap from basic concepts like a baseline level of hygiene to all the other crap you've let yourself believe. It's a delusional jump from dressing properly for a job interview to "a man with wealth and status in his 40s should find a woman in her 20s to make babies with before her eggs disappear so he can have a legacy."

There's nothing wrong with a man looking to have sex or be in a relationship with a woman in her 20's. Women are typically more attractive in their 20's in terms of looks. 23-25 years old, could be a good spot for a lot of men, as at that age women have their jobs/careers and their own place and responsibilities.

You can't force a man who is 40, to want to date or be in a relationship with someone who is 40. Men have their preferences. Just like how a woman wants a guy who is tall and strong. Men want a woman who is attractive/young/easy on the eyes.

And yes, people will always judge you. Hence why you should take care of yourself and have several things going for you. An ideal man knows how to talk to people, has a good job, takes care of his physically appearance, etc.

This topic is a sea of trauma dumping

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In terms of looks, a man or woman who is 80 years old is not seen as more attractive compared to someone in their 20's-30's.

As every person ages, we degrade. Whether it's getting wrinkles, lower metabolism, risk of health issues.

BignutzisBack posted...

This topic is a sea of trauma dumping

Its why I hate speaking about real life issues on places like gamefaqs or reddit. You always have to wade through the bullshit and guess if the person you're talking to is trying to have a genuine conversation or whether they're just copeposting about something shitty in their lives.

Lets be real, its not woman who are drowning in dick that are the ones really angry over this

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The first post mentions that both sexes at 80 years old will not be seen as more physically attractive compared to a person in their 20's-30's

the second post specifies that in overall value(job/career), a guy will go up in age. Because said guy has likely achieved a good career and stability

If we take a man who is 50 years old, but he has his own house, good career, knows how to talk to people. He will be more valuable and have more networth compared to a 20 year old man.

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In dating, men are judged by their looks, money, personality, and status. Attraction to a guy is on a multi layered set of things

As far as ranting goes. Well, for one there are more men on gamefaqs than women. And there are sub reddits where there are rants against men(r/two chromosomes)

InB4 500, (or MyBirthRight gets suspended).

Being a broke man is not attractive and you can't use that as a means that a broke person is going to keep a relationship

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So if a man is homeless, he's maintaining a relationship with someone who has options?

Thats wrong

@MyBirthRight
I have been through a similar song and dance with the posters here on CE, logic, facts, etc do not matter to them even after citing sources.

Not saying to give up but know your talking to a wall of people who hate the red pill, and see men like Fresh&Fit as losers.

MyBirthRight posted...

So if a man is homeless, he's maintaining a relationship with someone who has options?

Thats wrong

Now the poor man is flat out homeless? Those goalposts are moving so fast I'm getting whiplash

If an argument goes over 100 posts, there's a near certain chance its going nowhere. Though these days I thought people weren't supposed to care what 2 consenting adults did

NoxObscuras posted...

Now the poor man is flat out homeless? Those goalposts are moving so fast I'm getting whiplash

Being a poor nor homeless man are attractive qualities in dating/relationships

It's seen as more attractive for a guy to have his money up and/or good career. If a man is poor and does nothing to try to improve his situation, the world will treat him differently

All vitriolic aside, one of the major reasons that a man and a woman get together is for producing (and raising) children. For that end, men tends to looks for healthy women who can (1) give birth to healthy children and (2) raise them, and woman tends to look for men that can (1) support the children and (2) be depended upon not to cut and run.

Women have it tough in today's world, especially if women want to be as successful as men in the professional fields (even if the playing field is even), because women are racing against the clock.

College? Eh, whatever... women will be in early twenties (22, maybe a little older if she took a little time off, a little younger if she skipped, etc etc).

But if she wants to be a professional (doctor, lawyer, whatever that requires schooling / residency / etc etc post grad )... then she's suddenly looking at being in the late 20s early 30s before she completes her schooling/training. That's really cutting it for her odds of starting a successful family.

So, what do many women do? Well, my friends in class (and other classmates)... they had kids while in school. Because they can't wait until they finish school (like men) to start a family. And it sucked, because school is tougher (whatever field you're in) post grad... and they can't ignore that while they're giving birth and raising the kid. We helped out, but, you know... giving rides / picking up kids / occasionally babysitting/ etc etc maybe eased up the burden by like 10%. The girls definitely had it tough.

Had two friends who became a father, too... but I can say they definitely had it easier than friends that became mothers.

I can empathize with the woman in to topic, because, heck... she's in her 30s/40s, right? She's literately competing against her youngerselves. And her classmates... well, they've all gotten married and had kids, something that's becoming less and less likely each day. So, yeah, she's probably feeling angry and frustrated at where she is in life.

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Apparently mods can't act on topics they're involved in and at the time their posts were tame enough that there was a chance engaging them would be more fruitful. At this point, it just looks like the other mods are sleeping though.